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Remove "Wikipedia" from "Wikipedia articles with EMU identifiers"-type categories?[edit]

Every AC ID has 2 categories that could be less-redundantly renamed to:

This would also save a small # of bytes from the expanded page (see above @ #Is there a known issue related to Authority Control template, and the Navboxes Top / Bottom format?).

Performing this would be relatively simple. After moving all of the relevant categories (leaving redirects), the entire Category:Pages with authority control information ID-tree is automated via {{Pages with authority control identifiers}} and p.docConfTable in Module:Authority control.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  14:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[]

 Working   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  18:11, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[]
 Done - old cats emptied.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  10:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[]

User:UBX/Authority control[edit]

{{AC}}This user uses the authority control template and the data it provides.

I created a userbox for self-identifying as an AC user. This could be helpful in future discussions as a way of pinging interested parties who may not check their watchlist regularly.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  14:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Base Léonore links broken[edit]

Changes made to the Base Léonore website (which holds details of members of the French Legion d'Honnneur) mean that links generated by this template no longer work.

People are identified via a reference number (a "cote" in the terminology of the site) in the form LH/1924/18. This is converted into a link like this: http://www.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/leonore_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD_1=COTE&VALUE_1=LH%2F1924%2F18 . This link now goes nowhere.

The page it now needs to go to doesn't include the cote at all, it's this one: http://www.leonore.archives-nationales.culture.gouv.fr/ui/notice/269341 . There's no way to find that numeric id from the cote, other than going to the site, entering it into the search box, and seeing what you find. If you do that, you need to be aware that they've added an extra slash to it, so it's now LH//1924/18. Cotes in the old style come back with no hits.

I'm not sure what the best way forward is. Léonore are actually using wikidata on their site, so they might be amenable to putting something in place to facilitate linking. I've no idea how to make that approach - it probably should be done by French wikipedia.

In the short term, Léonore cotes should probably be excluded from authority control. There's also a template dedicated to linking there that will need to be fixed - I've started a discussion at Template talk:Base Léonore

What do you think? Chuntuk (talk) 07:31, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[]

 Updated. Do you know what the Bis & Ter suffixes mean?   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  11:13, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[]
bis can mean various things associated with the number two. From twice to encore (playing/singing again) to a suffix of a house number in an address or a second revision of a document. ter is used much the same for the number three. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks, @Tom.Reding:, I've found this discussion (in French) on this issue at wikidata: http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Topic:Wbisfmslwlmzba5u . Looks like the linking issue might be fixed one day, but the change in cote format is here to stay. I've made changes to Template:Base Léonore which use the id parameter to construct a working URL, but there are about 70 articles that need updating with revised cotes. Chuntuk (talk) 09:30, 19 August 2021 (UTC)[]
There are 500+ articles in Category:Articles with faulty Léonore identifiers (4,235). The one I checked, Sarah Monod, had a valid identifier but no link, and a red error message. Are the category and error message related to this discussion? – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)[]
@Jonesey95: yes. The format as a regular expression (P1793) for Léonore ID (P640) was updated, but the values on many of the pages have not yet been updated (current faulty count = 4,237).
@Nono314: (d:User:Nono314): I see you added some of the original Léonore ID values years ago. Would you be willing to update those that need it? Most, if not all, of the updates required are simply adding a second "/" after "LH/" like so: LH/110/91LH//110/91.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  14:39, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Indeed, back in the days, I sent the data to Magnus for uploading in Min'n'Match and did quite a part of the matching... I had also seen the discussion on Wikidata's French project chat (linked above) when it started. It has been initiated by @Xavier Cailleau WMFr:, who is a member of Wikimedia France and is liaising with French National Archives (managing body of the Leonore database). The current community consensus is to wait for an official statement from their side, instead of blindly "fixing" 21K+ values (and 13K+ references) on our side, without even knowing whether this will help in the future. Therefore, I'm not willing to do anything for now. Bot operators like User:Tpt are ready to act once the situation is clearer. --Nono314 (talk) 21:23, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[]
More discussion of the situation (in French) here: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_mod%C3%A8le:Base_L%C3%A9onore#Probl%C3%A8me_avec_le_lien_g%C3%A9n%C3%A9r%C3%A9_vers_la_base_L%C3%A9onore they seem hopeful that a working link will be established at some point. Chuntuk (talk) 11:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Relying on WD but rendering only one statement ?[edit]

I was looking at Agha (title).

The template is used w/o parametrer, so as to rely on Wikidata. But WD has identifiers from five databases, and the template as rendered on Agha (title) only shows one. Why is that? trespassers william (talk) 18:45, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[]

@Danny lost: that is b/c Encyclopædia Britannica Online ID (P1417), Encyclopédie berbère article ID (P9198), Freebase ID (P646), & Gran Enciclopèdia Catalana ID (P1296) don't exist in the AC template, either b/c they haven't been proposed here yet, or they were & then rejected.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  17:17, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[]
@Tom.Reding: Thanks. trespassers william (talk) 20:15, 29 August 2021 (UTC)[]

The new design forces all navboxes to autocollapse[edit]

The horrible new design of the authority control template makes it behave like a navbox (instead of a separate template group, as before), and it now forces navboxes to autocollapse, even in articles with only one proper navbox where the uncollapsed state would be preferable. Before the changes an article with one navbox plus the authority control template would look like this Norwegian article no:Gudmund Restad (with a navbox of Norwegian finance ministers and authority control below), in other words endlessly more reader- and editor-friendly. --Bjerrebæk (talk) 20:23, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[]

@Bjerrebæk: you may thank the committee.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  20:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[]
@Bjerrebæk: (and anyone else interested in the size of the new AC): I've created the following tracking cats to provide everyone with more information:
Incidentally, this also helps catch unrecognized parameter values.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  14:26, 5 September 2021 (UTC)[]

A prediction[edit]

Hey WikiWizards, just a prediction here: the more intrusive and obnoxious you make this (now vey intrusive and obnoxious) template, the more resistance you will generate towards its future implementation and retention. You may in fact be tinkering until you break it. Note that in many cases, trivial links to (relatively) irrelevant Wikipedia articles like Virtual International Authority File or Trove (identifier) are more prominent than the actual authority identifier (e.g. VIAF (1)). I'm an experienced Wikipedian, and my fat thumb or fat mouse pointer still too often clicks on the former rather than the latter, resulting in virtual hog swill. To everyone who deems the current structure of this template ideal I ask: Do you value pedantry over utility? --Animalparty! (talk) 05:55, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]