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Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on October 22[edit]

Caroline Brady (philologist)

Created by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 18:12, 24 October 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, and thoroughly footnoted. But although this isn't an explicit DYK criterion, the article is problematic, in that it presents lots of little boring details about the subject's life (like the street addresses where she lived and who owned those pieces of property or the subsequent history of a ship she took a trip on as a child) but nowhere does it clearly state what she is notable for in a way that would clearly indicate a pass of our academic notability standards. It states what her scholarship was on, but not why it is significant (if it is). It lists what look like all her publications, rather than making any attempt to select the significant ones. It says she published "more than a dozen book" but lists no books. Much of the sourcing is non-secondary and of dubious reliability and fails to cover the subject in the depth that would be required to establish general notability (e.g. seven separate sources from FamilySearch; local newspaper listings of community college courses; entries in association membership directories). The subject appears never to have progressed past assistant professor in academic rank, a red flag for a failed academic career. I worry that, if an article in this state is linked on the main page, it would very quickly get sent to AfD. The parts of the article that look like they might be usable to establish notability are the Talbot Fellowship and (if she published any) book publications that might have associated book reviews. I think the article could use significant trimming of the uninteresting parts so that readers could focus more clearly on the interesting parts.
As for the rest of the criteria: QPQ done. Earwig found a copied direct quote but no problematic copying. The main hook needs disambiguation on the Pennsylvania link. I prefer hooks ALT1 or ALT2, but they're inadequately sourced for DYK: ALT1 is given only the subject's own publications as sources, ALT2 has no sources at all. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:58, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
  • David Eppstein, thanks for your review. I've added some more information on her publications that should help make her notability more clear. Please let me know if you would like more, although I'm not sure what exactly that would be; a Google Scholar citation count would perhaps be on point, but if you think that the torpedoing of a boat is a "boring detail", then saying that "this article has been cited 36 times" is perhaps hopeless.
Your other main criticism seems to be that the article is filled with minutiae. To the extent that it is necessary to defend this (cf. "this isn't an explicit DYK criterion"), it's worth remembering that little is known about Brady's life. She produced relevant and notable scholarship in the 1940s and 1950s, yet no mention of her appears between 1955 and 1979, when she published the first of two widely-cited articles after a decades-long hiatus. In the absence of a more comprehensive source of information on her such as an obituary, the amalgamation of many small details—whether or not one might term some "boring"—is a way to sketch a picture of Brady's life. Knowing that she lived at 132 S. Laurel Avenue in Los Angeles, for example, is relevant when one considers that it was her parents' address: it implies that between her stints at a community college and at Harvard, she moved back in with her parents. Meanwhile, knowing that she once lived in Cambridge reinforces the scant information on her time at Harvard. It's not ideal, and it would be particularly nice to figure out what she was up to from 1955 to 1979, but at the end of the day the sources that we have are the sources that we have.
Re: sources, I've added one (Frank 1987) to back up ALT1. ALT2 is harder to source as it is backed up by 'negative information,' i.e., the complete absence of anything showing that she published between 1955 and 1979. If in your opinion that's not enough to back up ALT2, then let's just go with another. --Usernameunique (talk) 22:11, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
The torpedoing of the boat is a particularly egregious example, but the same thing is true throughout the article. It's not so much that the torpedoing of a boat is a boring event – it isn't – but that the event has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. She rode on the boat once; as it involved an intercontinental move for Brady's family, that is significant enough to mention. But why would someone who comes to this article to find out about Brady's life be interested to find instead a description of what happened to a boat five years after Brady rode on it? That's not part of her life. A large fraction of the article appears to be filler of this type rather than actual informative content about Brady. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:17, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
David Eppstein, I've moved the torpedoing information to the notes section. Returning again to the DYK criteria, is there anything still holding back this nomination? Thanks, --Usernameunique (talk) 22:21, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
It still has all the appearance of an article about someone who is not notable. The lead makes no assertion of significance, and the sources that could be used to make a case for WP:GNG (the nontrivial reviews of her work) are buried under a mountain of redundant trivial sources that do not count towards notability (e.g. 21 different copies of the membership list of an association in which membership is not a significant honor). She may well actually be notable, but the article works very hard to make her appear not. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:24, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
I'm having significant problems with this article in terms of NOTE as well. According to the article, as it stands, this person did not win any notable awards for her work, was not elected to the chair of any notable organizations, and doesn't seem to be particularly widely quoted. There are some interesting quotes about her work, but I'm not clear if they are notable either. There are lots of academics who led interesting lives, what makes this one notable in Wiki terms? Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:53, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
Maury Markowitz, thanks for weighing in. I believe that Brady's notability is evidenced both by her Marion Talbot fellowship, and by the impact of her publications, a number of which—particularly her 1943 book, and her last two articles on Beowulf—are widely cited within her field. Minor figure that she was, having an article about her allows anyone wondering who she was to easily find out; that her page has been viewed 13 times per day on average suggests that I was not the only one with that question. At the same time, I don't think that a DYK nomination is the appropriate place to contest the notability of an article's subject. If you or David Eppstein believe that this is an AFD candidate, then being proactive by bringing it there would be more useful than simply weighing in here.
Also, to David Eppstein's earlier point about the membership lists that include Brady: these do not count towards Brady's notability, but they are not intended to, nor have they even been suggested to do that. They serve two purposes. First, they provide a 21 year chronology of Brady's academic appointments. Second, they demonstrate that Caroline Agnes Brady is the same person commonly (and probably incorrectly) referred to as "Caroline Agnes von Egmont Brady" (see, e.g., WorldCat). This was quite confusing when I was researching Brady—I thought at first that they were two separate people—but hopefully by providing hard evidence that the two names refer to one person, it will help others avoid similar confusion. --Usernameunique (talk) 22:55, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
The current state of the article is disappointing, but in my view the bar of notability is easily met. Her 1943 doctoral dissertation, Legends of Ermanaric, is help in 151 libraries according to Worldcat. The large time gap in her research output is puzzling but we may never know the reasons; this could be briefly summarized. A recent handbook on Beowulf (1998) gives half a page to her work on that topic, and (if anyone had the time) the article might be refocused on what she is still known for. A Google for 'Carolyn Brady Beowulf' brings up some relevant hits. EdJohnston (talk) 16:31, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
  • No position on notability, but there's still too much trivia, and the directory listings are OR/SYNTH. EEng 04:22, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
EEng#s, to be clear, which DYK criteria in particular does the article not yet meet? --Usernameunique (talk) 04:43, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
  1. 4, policy, which calls for verifiability. The article cites the MLA membership list maybe 20 times, listing it as a secondary source, which it's not. It also cites census date -- again, primary and WP:OR. May be other issues but I'm on mobile so I won't look further. I'm sure this can be salvaged but as it stands this article tries too hard. EEng 05:10, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
EEng#s, thanks for taking a look and for the comments. I've cleaned up the article some, with additional thanks to EdJohnston for the comments and the reference to A Beowulf Handbook (now incorporated).
Differentiating between primary and secondary sources can sometimes be tricky, but even if those MLA lists are primary sources, they should be fine. All they do is "make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge" (link). As said above, they provide a 20-year roster of Brady's academic appointments (largely also backed up both other sources), and clarify that "Caroline Agnes Brady" is the same person occasionally referred to as "Caroline Agnes von Egmont Brady" (which even WorldCat refers to her as sometimes). You're right that the article is trying, but without leaving it as a stub that's hard to avoid: its subject published a number of notable works and then pretty much disappeared, leaving behind a handful of newspaper articles and syntheses of her work for someone to cobble together. The article's not going to ever make it anywhere close to GA unless a couple of long obituaries come falling out of the sky, but as it stands now, I think it's fine for DYK. --Usernameunique (talk) 06:29, 26 December 2017 (UTC)
You see why I gave up on this? It's this approach, of trying to justify why the article is in the state it is, or making only cosmetic changes that address the specific instances commented on here but not the bigger problem they are instances of, rather than doing something more useful with the feedback. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:38, 26 December 2017 (UTC)


  • There's no "even if" – the MLA's membership lists are absolutely primary, and cannot be used the way you're using them, for example chaining them together to conclude that the subject worked as a TF from 19xx to 19yy or was an assistant professor from 19aa to 19bb. That's classic WP:SYNTH, and there's a reason we don't allow that. I, personally, have many times been listed by professional societies at old employers or former institutions simply because it didn't really matter or I just forgot. That's why we require that such stuff be filtered through reliable sources who are in a position to do research we can't.
  • And that goes double for everything the article currently lists under Primary sources -- census returns, Social Security death indices, and so on. This stuff is notoriously error-prone and and hard to interpret and there are essentially no circumstances under which a WP article can cite them (except to illustrate a conclusion reached in an appropriate source).
  • As a random additional example, the statement that Brady received her Ph.D in October 1935 is cited to two newspaper sources giving conflicting graduation dates, one in 1935 and one in 1936. Newspapers are typically reliable secondary sources, but mass listings of e.g. names of graduates are exactly the sort of thing they should not be relied upon for.

This doesn't mean the article can't be saved. But it's gotta be cut back to what can be established by reliable sources. On a less important note, the use of short footnotes when only a single page or page range is cited in each source is completely unnecessary, makes getting to sources headache-inducing, and creates a gigantically puffed up "bibliography" – I mean... c'mon... 26 entries reading "List of Members of the Modern Language Association of America". Publications of the Modern Language Association. Modern Language Association. XXXXX (Supplement)"? – it's silly. EEng 03:14, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I have significantly trimmed down the section on Brady's personal life, and accordingly deleted a surfeit of related sources, to respond to the above concerns. The refocused article is almost entirely about Brady's career and publications. Of your two examples, EEng#s, ("chaining [directory listings] together to conclude that the subject worked as a TF from 19xx to 19yy or was an assistant professor from 19aa to 19bb"), Brady's years as an assistant professor are given by this source, and her teaching fellowship is given simply as "she worked as an English teaching fellow" (and before I edited it down for length, it very carefully stated "she worked as a teaching fellow in English in 1932[30] and 1933,[31]", precisely to avoid the very "chaining together" you speak of). --Usernameunique (talk) 22:48, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
It's moving in the right direction but there's still a mass of stuff from the MLA list, census, and so on. BTW, since this came up at another article, I don't think there's a problem extracting her full name from the membership lists (because that's an unchanging fact unlikely to be mixed up, and there's no doubt she's the right person) but not for the dates of appointment at this or that institution, because those change with time and may not always be up to date. EEng 04:18, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Per request, EEng#s, I've removed those citations. Perhaps in doing so, it makes clear that the membership lists only independently supported two statements: that Brady was a teaching fellow (I've now removed that statement), and that Caroline Agnes Brady's name is sometimes given as Caroline Agnes Von Egmont Brady. It's an interesting (and probably tangential—I may comment in the other review more fully) point about a primary source being used to support an individual's name. Here, the membership lists are used to point out that Brady is occasionally referred to by another (probably incorrect) name. They're not being used to say what Brady's name actually is, merely what it is sometimes given as. By contrast, the other article hangs its hat on that primary source. Anyways, anything else needed? --Usernameunique (talk) 06:14, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Look, I know you've put a lot of effort into this, but there are still problems, for example stuff like "a period from 1949 to 1952 in which her activities are unclear" is WP:SYNTH. I... I just don't have the energy today to say more. I took out the name stuff since (a) you seem to think it's wrong and (b) it's not that important anyway. EEng 16:13, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

EEng#s, I've reworded the part about clarity. That said, I really don't understand why you took out portions about her personal life that are cited to reliable sources, let alone so abruptly that you left both an error ("She died sometime before 1983" now refers to her sister, Frances Maud Brady) and a citation that's missing a bracket ("{sfn|Anglo-Saxon England Contents|1983}}"). If editing without energy, it would be more helpful to at least focus on the parts that are germane to this article passing DYK.
Finally, as was explained above, the part about her name is important. It was incredibly confusing at first while reading about her that there was both a "Caroline Agnes Brady" and a "Caroline Agnes von Egmont Brady", and I thought at first they were two people; only after tracking down all of her books and articles (e.g., The Eormanric of the Widsith which WorldCat lists under Caroline Agnes von Egmont Brady, but which the print edition attributes to Caroline A. Brady) did it become clear that they are one and the same. Part of the reason for creating the article was to save anyone else the same confusion. --Usernameunique (talk) 21:44, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
I don't understand. Didn't you say you thought the long name was incorrect? Why do you think that? EEng 23:58, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
EEng#s, I think the "von Egmont" is incorrect because it is only used in a few of her WorldCat/Google Books/Hathitrust entries (but not in her books), in eight membership lists, and in an archive that gets her year of death wrong. I assume that these are in error, rather than the reflection of, say, an eight-year marriage. Yet it doesn't really matter whether or not it is incorrect; the language that was in the article, "Caroline Brady's name is occasionally given as Caroline Agnes Von Egmont Brady", did not comment on correctness, but served to indicate that both names refer to the same person. --Usernameunique (talk) 20:11, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
What makes you say the 1973 date of death given in the archive you link is wrong? From the article, all you know otherwise is that she was dead by 1984. Also, Harvard's catalog gives the full name [1] and they're awful careful. EEng 15:25, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
EEng#s, she inscribed a 1980 offprint of her 1979 article to Fred C. Robinson (confirmed via email with vendor). Why are we using a DYK review to discuss her year of death at a level of detail that is not included in the article? Also, why are we discussing whether the long or short name is correct, when the article has never said which one is correct? The salient point is that she is sometimes referred to be one name, and sometimes by another. --Usernameunique (talk) 16:47, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── We're discussing the year of death because you brought it up during a discussion of sources for her name. If you're saying she didn't sign the book with the complete Caroline Agnes von Egmont Brady, that's not evidence of anything (even if an email wasn't unusable WP:OR since people often don't sign their full names (and the von Egmont doesn't have to have anything to do with a a marriage). I repeat what I said above: there are still problems, for example stuff like "a period from 1949 to 1952 in which her activities are unclear" is WP:SYNTH. I... I just don't have the energy today to say more. EEng 14:36, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

EEng#s, the line you quote as evidence of synthesis is not even in the article, because, upon your earlier request, I took it out. Since you have indicated that you don't have the energy to continue this review, I am asking for a new reviewer:
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. --Usernameunique (talk) 15:34, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
The last paragraph of the Career section still says "Brady's activities from 1955 through 1979 are unclear" – it's like David Eppstein said: making only cosmetic changes that address the specific instances commented on here but not the bigger problem they are instances of, rather than doing something more useful with the feedback. I was never the reviewer, who was David Eppstein; I just dropped in to help a new editor i.e. you, but I give up. EEng 16:45, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
EEng#s, that line is in response to EdJohnston's above comment and suggestion that "The large time gap in her research output is puzzling but we may never know the reasons; this could be briefly summarized." But hey, if that transitional line is all that stands in the way of a green check mark, by all means take it out. --Usernameunique (talk) 17:10, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Repeat: making only cosmetic changes that address the specific instances commented on here but not the bigger problem they are instances of, rather than doing something more useful with the feedback. Please don't ping me again, because I'm such a nice guy I find it hard to ignore someone's entreaty; but the fact is there's nothing more I can do here, and will have to leave it to others to help you further, if possible. EEng 17:25, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer still needed. --Usernameunique (talk) 17:28, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

David Eppstein, Maury Markowitz, EdJohnston, EEng, I am going to assume from the above discussion that WP:PROF has been met; if there are any remaining doubts about this, we can put the article up for AFD to settle the matter. Other than that, I am planning to do a bit more cleaning up of this article before completing a review - this nomination has been sitting on this page for far too long and needs to be moved along one way or the other. Gatoclass (talk) 21:27, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Gatoclass Frankly, I still have little clear idea whether any notability criterion has been met because the article is still so full of low-quality sources that finding the high-quality parts is very difficult. But I suspect that WP:PROF, specifically, is not met. She doesn't have many highly-cited publications, major national or international awards, elected membership to highly selective societies, etc. That is not so much an issue with the article as with the discipline (humanities) that she worked in. Most humanities scholars don't meet WP:PROF but many do meet a different notability criterion, WP:AUTHOR, by publishing books with multiple published reviews. In this case we do have the multiple published reviews, but only for one book, and an academic career that seems to have petered out rather than flourishing. So there's a case to be made, but a borderline one. In any case, my complaints with this article were never that it actually was non-notable, but that it was written in a way to make it look non-notable. The article creator has chosen to stubbornly defend the way it was written rather than repairing this problematic appearance, but I think the result is that the article does not reflect the best of recent Wikipedia contributions, as DYK is supposed to do. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:19, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 22[edit]

Kirsty McGuinness

  • ... that Kirsty McGuinness plays for both the historically mostly Catholic Antrim GAA and the historically mostly Protestant Northern Ireland women's national football team? Source: BBC

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 13:04, 28 November 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The C of E New, in time, long enough, sourced, neutral, QPQ done. Issues:
Where in the article does it say that Antrim GAA is mostly Catholic, or that the national team is mostly Protestant?
Hook seems to conflict with this line in the article: "[McGuinness playing on these teams] differed from men's sport where there are sectarian divides between majority Protestant association football and majority Roman Catholic GAA." --Usernameunique (talk) 07:16, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
It's in the last sentence. The hook doesn't conflict with the article as its saying she plays for both women's teams while stating that this doesn't happen in the mens teams due to the divides in NI. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 16:06, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
The C of E, how does "McGuinness would attend Linfield training wearing an Antrim shirt and vice versa" support the hook? Also, what I mean by the apparent contradiction is that the hook implies that the two teams are majority Catholic and majority Protestant, and that McGuinness is an exception to that trend. The sentence about men's soccer appears to say the same; that the teams are majority (but not exclusively) Catholic or Protestant, which also implies that there are some exceptions to the general trend. --Usernameunique (talk) 20:58, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
I see what you are saying. s such, I have amended the hook to state the historical divides between football and GAA that she has crossed. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:51, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks The C of E. Just need something in the article also saying that women's soccer has historically had Catholic/Protestant divisions. I think you're trying to say that in this sentence: "This differed from men's sport where there are traditionally sectarian divides between the historically majority Protestant association football and historically majority Roman Catholic GAA." However, the way that sentence is structured it seems to say that only men's soccer has historically has such a divide, when I think you are trying to say that soccer generally has had the divide, and men's soccer currently still adheres to it. Rephrasing that sentence (e.g., "Traditionally there are sectarian divides between the majority Protestant association football and historically majority Roman Catholic GAA, which are still generally adhered to in men's sport.") should do the trick. --Usernameunique (talk) 12:01, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
@Usernameunique: I have added a clarification. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 22:13, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks The C of E, all set. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usernameunique (talkcontribs) 23:26, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
Discussion at WT:DYK that led to hook being pulled
  • Hook - " ... that Kirsty McGuinness plays for both the historically mostly Catholic Antrim GAA and the historically mostly Protestant Northern Ireland women's national football team?"
  • Article - "This differed [sic] from men's sport where there are traditionally sectarian divides between the historically majority Protestant association football and historically majority Roman Catholic GAA, which is no longer commonplace in women's sport in Northern Ireland"
  • Source for the hook here even flatly contradicts the hook with the quote ""Sectarianism has never been a problem in women's football. All the clubs I have ever known have always had a great blend of Protestants and Catholics."
  • In other words, the article doesn't claim that the NI women's national team has been "historically Protestant" and the source doesn't back it up either. Also, the article says "Some of our girls come to our training with their Antrim gear on and go to Antrim training with their Linfield shirts on." which suggests that playing women's GAA and football isn't even unusual, which renders the hook immediately non-hooky. Pinging @The C of E, Yoninah, and Usernameunique:. Black Kite (talk) 20:33, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I realise that my opinion is pretty meaningless but... if there is doubt just pull it before it gets onto the mainpage and replace with another? Can always be fixed, clarified etc and added again, no? Better to be on the safe side in the end. Or are there some arcane rules i am missing that would not allow that to happen? (talk) 21:22, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
No, you're right, I can (and will) do that, even if it's just swapping it with one from a later queue just to allow for more opinions and/or fixes. Black Kite (talk) 21:43, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I've swapped it back to Prep 5 so it won't go live until tomorrow. Black Kite (talk) 22:21, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I've moved the hook to Prep 3 so there's no risk of it being promoted to queue before this issue is dealt with. There's no reason to rush things. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:38, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I had mentioned that the sports are usually divided on religious lines, it is only recently through the women's game that that barrier has been broken down. This hook was designed to show that by featuring a person who has played both GAA and football at representative level, which in itself is an interesting fact. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:22, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
The C of E, it might be interesting if it were clear to the average reader that these are actually two different sports with different rules. I didn't realize it myself until just now, by following a number of wikilinks, that Gaelic football is not merely some sort of Irish league that plays standard football/soccer, but a different game. There needs to be clarity regarding this, both in the article and in the hook. I'll let Black Kite comment on whether your response above answers their concerns. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:50, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Moved out again while waiting for Black Kite to respond; now in Prep 6. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:05, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, the problem remains though - the "fact" that the Northern Ireland women's football (as opposed to the men's game) formerly had a sectarian background is not sourced - indeed the source contains a quote that actually contradicts it. It does need to be sourced, the hook can't exist without it. Black Kite (talk) 21:34, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
In light of the above, I've pulled the hook from prep, and will be reopening it on the nominations page shortly. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:25, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The hook is contradicted by the source (see hatted discussion above, which is copied from the DYK talk page), so this nomination is being pulled from prep so a new hook can be proposed and vetted. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
    ALT1: ... that Kirsty McGuinness plays for both Antrim GAA and the Northern Ireland women's national football team, whereas in the men's equivalent the two sports are historically divided between Catholics and Protestants? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:48, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT1, regrettably, is 212 prose characters, well above the maximum 200 at DYK. Please try again, The C of E. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
ALT2:... that Kirsty McGuinness plays for both Antrim GAA and the Northern Ireland women's national football team, sports which in the men's equivalent are historically separate for Catholics and Protestants? A minor rewording but it comes to 199 characters. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:01, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Pinging Black Kite to see whether this new hook answers their concerns about the facts and sourcing. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:28, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Well there's nothing actually wrong about it, although it's not massively hooky ... I wouldn't object to it though. Black Kite (talk) 00:26, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
  • I think we've just about exhausted this hook direction; ALT2 seems to veer off from the subject to an historical discussion about the men's teams. Could we come up with a different hook and move this onto the main page already?
  • ALT3: ... that in 2012, Linfield footballer Kirsty McGuinness crossed the Belfast's Big Two divide and helped the rival team to a Women's Premiership and Irish Women's Cup double in her first season? Yoninah (talk) 23:22, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to check ALT3. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:04, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg - Length, Date, QPQ, and Earwigs check for ALT3. The sources indicate the player moved between the two teams (though there is no mention of a "divide" being crossed) however for the two championships, the cited video refuses to load for me (I suspect it might be Geo-restricted) and I was unable to locate an alternate source. Is there someone who can check the video/get it to load? Mifter (talk) 20:36, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Thanks for taking this one on, Mifter. Belfast's Big Two is a commonplace way of identifying these two teams, Linfield and Gletoran. If she moved from one team to the other, she crossed the "divide". Yoninah (talk) 21:18, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, Thanks for the clarification, I suspected that once I read the Big Two article but wanted to double check. Out of curiosity does the video load for you? I tried multiple browsers/devices and had no luck and my verifying that part of the hook is the last thing prior to approval. Best, Mifter (talk) 02:34, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @Mifter: No, the video doesn't load. I'm surprised that the nominator, The C of E, hasn't weighed in here on the third go-round. I don't think it's my job to keep coming up with new hooks. I'm inclined to fail the nomination at this point. Yoninah (talk) 01:22, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
  • The C of E, given that there have been problems verifying the hook, perhaps you could be more active in assisting the reviewers, and see whether the video can still be loaded by you and perhaps others. Maybe Cwmhiraeth is somewhere that can load it and can let us know whether it supports the hook? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:09, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Sorry, it doesn't work for me either. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:28, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 24[edit]


  • ... that laughter, a signal of amusement, helps us cope with stress because it relaxes the muscles in our bodies?

5x expanded by Galenmcneil (talk). Self-nominated at 23:06, 1 December 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Not new but expanded on November 21-24.
  • Long enough.
  • Is neutral.
  • Some in-line citations are needed.
  • No close paraphrasing found.
  • The hook is short enough.
  • I don't see a citation for the hook.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:30, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg This is a challenging topic and I reckon the current draft falls too far short. The OED defines its current meaning as "The pleasurable occupation of the attention, or diversion of the mind (from serious duties, etc.)" and explains that this has evolved from being an "Idle time-wasting diversion" to "Anything which lightly and pleasantly diverts the attention, or beguiles the time; a pastime, play, game, means of recreation". It is therefore a very broad category covering not just humour but many kinds of pastime and play. The article entertainment does this much better and we should be considering merger with that page. Andrew D. (talk) 18:57, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
  • I don't really see that - this covers the emotion, not activities which promote it. Entertainment is already 129k raw bytes. Johnbod (talk) 17:39, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
  • I concur, plus this is not FAC, it's DYK so if the article meets the requirements of the DYK criteria, which actually allows for an article to be "far short" of what is possible, then there's not one single scrap of grounds for complaint in that regard either. Plus the stomping into another reviewer's review is bad form too. So a hat-trick of failure. So please, Zigzig20s, continue with your review. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:31, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
  • I'll third. Mr Davidson's objection is completely ill taken, given that the relevant policy isn't WP:¡¡¡EVERYONE!!! but WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. There are additional senses of the word and they should be available in a hatnote or at Amusement (disambiguation) but that's no reason to try to blow up the article's WP:SCOPE to fit every recorded or potential form of time-passing. "Amusement" as the state or agent of "being amused" is perfectly straightforward.

    That said, we still need some more citations, including for the hook, apparently. — LlywelynII 13:10, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
How about A 15-Year Follow-Up Study of Sense of Humor and Causes of Mortality: The Nord-Trøndelag Health Study? It's a 15 year study on 50,000+ subjects and it documents an evidentiary link between laughter and longer lifespans.
Laughter is Good for Your Heart, According to a New UMMC Study. This documents an apparently causative relationship between laughter and reduced instances/severity of heart disease.
Laughter prescription This is an article not a study, but it apparently cites a number of studies showing that laughter can be beneficial in cancer treatment regimes. It's also been cited itself a few times.
And the most on-the-nose one yet is an official page of the Mayo Clinic, written by "Mayo Clinic Staff" (and thus an official position of the clinic), stating without reservation Stress relief from laughter? It's no joke. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 01:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Most of the Mayo Clinic articles are signed by one of their named editors. My guess is having this one as "Mayo Clinic Staff" is not so much official as their editors being too embarrassed to put a name on it. Which is amusing, but not supportive of the hook. Which claims as a mechanism that laughter relaxes muscles. David notMD (talk) 16:02, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I don't agree that it's an issue of embarrassment. There's really nothing embarrassing about the page; it's pushing a line that's really well accepted by science, and really well received by the public. I tend to think it's more of a "everyone's on board, so we'll just say it came from everyone" than "nobody wants to put their name on something this silly." ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:14, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Regardless, by marking it as being by "Mayo Clinic Staff" they're straight up saying that this is the position of their staff, which is tantamount to saying that it is the clinic's official position (because if the clinic had an official view on the subject, then they could not possibly be anything except what the staff as a whole thinks). ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 08:02, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
  • I am not amused that the citation for the proposed hook "...because it relaxes the muscles in our bodies." offers no scientific support for that statement except for a hyperlink to a publication (Bennett 2006) that offers no scientific support for that statement. David notMD (talk) 04:46, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
  • MjolnirPants, at this point the article needs a medically reliable source that specifically supports the "because it relaxes the muscles in our bodies" statement in the hook and the source. If you can't provide that, or an alternative hook that uses some other fact that is more clearly sourced, then I think it's time to close this nomination, which was created as the final act of a student in a college course that ended back in December. I should probably note that there are two separate places in the article where this is discussed: the Vocal burst subsection, which reads The experience of laughter changes our breathing pattern and often causes all our muscles to relax., and the Laughter therapy subsection, which has a broader claim, Laughter causes the bodies' muscles to relax. If one of these sources has text that meets the latter of these claims, please quote it here for us and tell us where it is located so we can confirm it. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:55, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Or the "because it relaxes the muscles" bit could be removed. There's a 100% solid MEDRS source above that supports the rest of the sentence. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:13, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that laughter, a signal of amusement, helps us cope with stress?
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Calling for a reviewer to make sure that the MEDRS source is in the article and supporting the facts in ALT1. I have struck the original hook since MjolnirPants did not provide backing for muscle relaxing part of the hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:27, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
It wasn't in the article, but I just added it to the appropriate spot. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 14:39, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 13[edit]

Nana Kofi Obiri Egyir II

Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self-nominated at 13:45, 13 December 2017 (UTC).

will review --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Interesting combination of "jobs", on good sources, no copyvio obvious. A few questions:
  • The name. In the article, the full name appears only in lead and infobox. Can you describe (in a footnote, and/or by "birthname") what part in the name is what. If the common name is what you always call him in the article later, perhaps it should be moved? But then, the hooks should also use that name.
  • Can you link "traditional leader"?
  • Can you say a bit more about the kind of business(es) he ran?
  • "to offer accommodation to the several tourists who flock the region" - that adds nothing (for me), it's what such a thing normally does.
  • "Some believed that his vast experience in business and traditional rule would be brought to bear on the various issues that the council would be confronted with" - I am not happy with the wording, "bear" what? - is it flowery for "would be useful for the council"?
I like the first hook best, as the broadest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
  • @Gerda Arendt: Thanks for the review. All the above have been looked at and appropriately responded to. CrossTemple Jay 10:36, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg thank you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have pulled this hook from prep because nowhere in the article or sources that I can see is the word Sanaahene translated as "leader of warriors". Gatoclass (talk) 14:01, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @Gatoclass: Thanks for the review. I have put it in brackets and am adding the translation at the notes section. Sanaahene in the akn language means leader of warriors. CrossTemple Jay 13:16, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Crosstemplejay, you have yet to source the hook as requested above. If you can't source it, you will either need to submit a different hook or the nomination will have to be failed. Gatoclass (talk) 11:29, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Still no response after well over a month (has similarly abandoned many other DYK nominations this year); marking for closure as unsuccessful. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:16, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 30[edit]

Hélio Gelli Pereira

  • ... that Hélio Gelli Pereira, who first isolated the common cold virus, was described as having an "infectious good nature"? Source: [8]
    • ALT1:... that Hélio Gelli Pereira, who was the first to isolate the common cold virus, didn't realise he had done so until years later? Source: [9]

Created by GilbertoSilvaFan (talk). Self-nominated at 22:10, 31 December 2017 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - First hook is fine, but the article should clarify that this was one description of his personality, rather than an "often cited" one. Second hook, particularly the "years later" realization, does not appear directly in the article. Assuming good faith on the sourcing on both, as they are in another language and behind a paywall, respectively.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Just a few things needed before this can pass. SounderBruce 06:02, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

@SounderBruce: Thank you for reviewing this nomination! All three of the issues that you flagged were valid, and I think I have addressed all of them.
1) Adequate sourcing: Red X - A few paragraphs in the Early work section need an inline citation.
I have added citations to all early work paragraphs.
2) EarWig picked up a few similar phrases ("first five years of his life", " known internationally for his work on the viruses of vertebrates") that should be changed.
I have reworded these phrases that were too close to the original source material.
3) Cited: Red X - First hook is fine, but the article should clarify that this was one description of his personality, rather than an "often cited" one.
I have removed this 'often cited' phrase from the article. Hopefully the first hook can now be used (instead of the second one).
Thank you again for reviewing this! GilbertoSilvaFan (talk) 16:26, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
@GilbertoSilvaFan: There's still two paragraphs in the Early work section that lack inline citations. I would also suggest (but not require) merging some of these short paragraphs together to help with the flow of the text. The paraphrasing looks good now. The second hook (which needs a bit of rewording, perhaps "Hélio Gelli Pereira, who was the first to isolate the common cold virus,") will be good to go after you address the last two paragraphs. SounderBruce 02:36, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
@SounderBruce: Thanks again for the reply. I have added citations to the Early Work section. I have merged the many short paragraphs to help with text flow.
Regarding the "didn't realise until years later" hook, I do not have a source for this statement (even though I know it to be true), so I think it should not be used. I hope that the first hook can be used instead?
Thanks again! GilbertoSilvaFan (talk) 14:43, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
I mixed up the hooks. I meant to say that the first hook needed that change and that it would be good to go. SounderBruce 02:59, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Symbol confirmed.svg Anyway, this is good to go. SounderBruce 02:59, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I have a question about him being the one who "first isolated the common cold virus". If it's that significant, why isn't that fact in the lead? And was he really the first, or just in that lab? BTW the article reads a little like hagiography; it seems you have some relationship to the subject. Yoninah (talk) 00:38, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
@SounderBruce: This seems to have got stuck. How about ALT1? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:57, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Hélio Gelli Pereira, part of the team that first cultured the common cold virus, was described as having an "infectious good nature"?
I don't think the points that Yoninah raised were addressed by GilbertoSilvaFan. On a fresh read, the article does seem a bit...off, for lack of a better word. SounderBruce 08:15, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
There was a sourced sentence added on February 16, but that's all I can see. Yoninah, did that help any, or are we basically still where we were? Would a copyedit help? The GOCE isn't nearly as backed up as usual at the moment; one of us could make a request there. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:21, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: the new source was for another fact. Yes, I would recommend sending this to GOCE to get rid of the puffery. Yoninah (talk) 11:02, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • I submitted a request at GOCE. With luck, the copyedit will be tackled within a couple of weeks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:41, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Yoninah (talk) 17:59, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 31[edit]

Hanging Sword Alley

Hanging Sword Alley around 1890
Hanging Sword Alley around 1890
  • ... that Hanging Sword Alley (pictured) was also known as "Blood Bowl Alley" after its infamous night life?
  • Reviewed: Catlin Brook
  • Comment: The hook can be verified in the London Encyclopedia. I'll continue to polish the page but need to get it nominated today.

Created by Andrew Davidson (talk) and Ritchie333 (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 20:23, 5 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg New enough, long enough, meets core content policies. Hook cited to RS. Jakob (talk) 21:21, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg QPQ still needed. Yoninah (talk) 22:22, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The QPQ has been done. It was interesting that there were very few nominations waiting for a review as I'm used to there being more choice. Andrew D. (talk) 22:26, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol voting keep.svg QPQ done, thanks. Restoring tick per Jacob Coles' review. Yoninah (talk) 22:51, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have pulled this from prep because the supplied source doesn't support the hook. Gatoclass (talk) 09:56, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
  • I'll try to get back to this this weekend. There's a London Wikimeet tomorrow and so I might look in on the alley, as it's nearby. Andrew D. (talk) 11:15, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 3[edit]

Cell isolation

  • ... that cell isolation techniques can be used to help study individual living cells from tissue normally discarded during coronary artery bypass surgery? Source: "Surplus human tissue can sometimes be obtained at the time of planned surgery, for example specimens of right atrial appendage are often excised and discarded during coronary artery bypass surgery" (Reference: Voigt et al. 2015 "Methods for isolating atrial cells from large mammals and humans")

Created by PeaBrainC (talk). Self-nominated at 20:19, 3 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Overall:Symbol confirmed.svg
New? Moved from draft space to mainspace 12/29, good
Length? 4900 chars readable prose, good
Compliance? Article has no outstanding cleanup flags. It has no outstanding clean up flags. Article has no history in main page. It uses primarily scholarly sources as is expected for articles on medical subjects. Article has single image, in commons and signed by holder into CC license. Earwig's copyvio detector does yield 20% from a pubmed publication but only highlights names and titles in the further reading section. Good
Hook? It is 150 chars, which is within limit. Subject matter is established in article and in provided source. No special content considerations needed (elections, BLP, etc.), Claim is supported in article. Claim source as provided is offline, but was able to find full text with search, and claim is supported therein. good
Other? No quid pro quo, but only has had one other submission reviewed and is exempt. No image. Good
Note that I am a new reviewer and will need a second opinion--Cincotta1 (talk) 21:25, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have pulled this from prep as I cannot locate the above quote in the given source. Gatoclass (talk) 12:29, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Gatoclass. I'm sorry if I've been unclear - only my second DYK and was a little unsure of the syntax for the source. I thought I ought to quote the line in the Cell Isolation page and then where it was originally sourced from. The quote is therefore from the Cell Isolation article, while the source that this part of the article is based on (Voigt et al. 2015) contains the following text in section 8.2.1. (page 193) "Although in principle whole human hearts can be perfused using a Langendorff perfusion system we are not aware of any study that has used the perfusion method to obtain human atrial myocytes. To the best of our knowledge, all published studies use the so called chunk-method to obtain human atrial myocytes, which is described below. During routine open-heart surgery with extracorporeal circulation, the tip of the right atrial appendage is usually removed and may be used for isolation of atrial cardiomyocytes." Hope this clears things up.
Hi @Gatoclass: - if you're happy with my response would you be able to restore the nomination to a Prep? I'm very happy to provide more info if there are further questions outstanding. Thanks. PeaBrainC (talk) 19:01, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry PeaBrainC, but I can't follow your explanation. What are you referring to when you refer to the "cell isolation page" as opposed to the "cell isolation article"? Please provide some links so that I can follow your argument a bit more clearly. Thanks, Gatoclass (talk) 11:15, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Gatoclass:, apologies if I wasn't clear. The source for this hook can be found in a review article written by Voigt et al. 2015 which can be found as an open access paper on PubMed via this link http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26186893. The line in this paper supporting the hook which can be found in section 8.2.1 reads "During routine open-heart surgery with extracorporeal circulation, the tip of the right atrial appendage is usually removed and may be used for isolation of atrial cardiomyocytes."
The line within the Wikipedia Page "Cell isolation" supporting the hook reads "Surplus human tissue can sometimes be obtained at the time of planned surgery, for example specimens of right atrial appendage are often excised and discarded during coronary artery bypass surgery".
As I'm relatively new to this game and keen to avoid these problems in the future, how would you prefer this to have been expressed in the initial nomination - I had hoped that a mention of a peer-reviewed paper supporting the hook would be sufficient, but I was clearly wrong! Thanks, PeaBrainC (talk) 12:34, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Okay PeaBrainC, I can't actually recall the problem I initially had with verification of this article now as it's too long ago, but I think your latest explanation clears things up regardless. I would just suggest that you make the connection between the article and the hook a little more clear, perhaps by changing the sentence in the article which reads "When dealing with solid tissues, obtaining tissue may be more challenging" to "When dealing with solid tissues, obtaining tissue for cell isolation may be more challenging" or making some similar change. Though the connection may seem obvious to you, I think it's worth remembering that most people will be very unfamiliar with these concepts and may need things to be spelled out a little more plainly. Gatoclass (talk) 12:56, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Gatoclass. I have amended the article as per your suggestion. PeaBrainC (talk) 21:36, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 4[edit]

Tottenham Hotspur F.C. 3–4 Manchester City F.C. (2004)

Created by Falastur2 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:36, 10 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Falastur: Date and length fine however with regard to the hook, I feel it would be better if you do include the score in it. QPQ not needed as nominator only has 2 credits. No close paraphrasing. Just needs the hook looked at and I can pass this. Please ping me when it's been done. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 11:16, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
@The C of E: I've created an alt hook which addresses this. Does this work? Falastur2 Talk 13:18, 13 January 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg ALT1 Approved, rest of review as above. Would be great if we could run this on an FA Cup weekend. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 19:22, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Could be either 27th January or 17th February as those are the main Saturdays when matches are played for the 4th and 5th rounds respectively. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 22:45, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
Discussion at WT:DYK that led to the nomination's removal from prep
... that Manchester City's 4–3 victory over Tottenham Hotspur in the 2003–04 FA Cup is regarded by many as one of the greatest comebacks in footballing history? Cwmhiraeth, The C of E, Falastur2

Yes, it was epic. But a completely unreferenced "match" section, a few cn's sprinkled around, some tone issues in that same "match" section (to whit: "a superb left-foot curling shot", "good start took a knock", "Keane controlled superbly and stroked the ball"........)... this isn't ready and should not have been passed/promoted. P.S. I also fixed three dabs, but no need to thank me. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:25, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Well I guess the match itself could be considered the reference for what happened in it, in the same way as a book synopsis can be considered sourced to the book without referencing. But then, the superlatives would have to be eliminated as WP:OR. So I think this one will have to be pulled. Gatoclass (talk) 11:40, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
No, not all. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:45, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
That's like saying World War II itself could be considered the reference for what happened in it. Patently untrue. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:46, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Hardly the same thing, but regardless, I have pulled the hook. Gatoclass (talk) 11:50, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Well done you. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:03, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

England, the world, what's the difference? Fram (talk) 11:37, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

English cups really.. "greatest cup comebacks of English footballing history" vs "footballing history" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Galobtter (talkcontribs) 17:11, January 26, 2018 (UTC)
Overall it's an E minus then. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:46, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
More accurately, "FA Cup history", since that's what the sources actually say. Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hook was pulled from Prep 2 after a discussion indicated that the promoted hook was not tenable; this also applies to the ALT hooks, which has been struck as well. A new hook will need to be proposed that matches the article and hooks, and the sourcing must meet DYK standards, which require at least one inline source citation per paragraph. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:51, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: Would rewriting the hook to be "...regarded by many to be one of the greatest comebacks in footballing FA Cup history" be sufficient, or am I being asked to rework the article to a higher standard? I'm not sure what the inference should be on how much work is required here based on that discussion, especially as I have habitually shied away from peer reviews? Falastur2 Talk 10:54, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: @Galobtter: @Gatoclass: I apologise for pinging you all, but as said above, I'm a little unsure as to how much needs doing to make this article pass the DYK sign-off. Per the above, would changing the hook be enough, or am I being asked to rework the whole article? Falastur2 Talk 22:50, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
That should be sufficient to fix the hook; presumably for the article would need to fix "citation needed" tags and the match summary is a somewhat over the top as The Rambling Man describes - "superb left-foot curling", "brilliant free kick" etc Galobtter (pingó mió) 01:37, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
@Galobtter: Yeah, honestly I didn't write that bit. I decided to leave it as-was from the first time I attempted to get this article published with another user - I had no intentions of pushing for GA status and didn't realise that the DYK process would highlight these kinds of issues if I'm honest. I'll look at amending the hook and the match details section later tonight. Falastur2 Talk 20:17, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
@Galobtter: New hook written and I've fully cited the match report. Could you please re-review and comment? Falastur2 Talk 15:44, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Note: I have struck the original hook and ALT1 due to the issues raised earlier. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:54, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
citation needed tags would need attending to Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:00, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Which tags? I'm aware of one that was in the match section, but I removed it when I added the required citations. I'm not aware of any further citation needed tags? Falastur2 Talk 16:50, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Background and aftermath section Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:56, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Done Falastur2 Talk 18:30, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't see that "magic of the FA Cup" cited below in the body or in the lead; nor the part about mediocrity and bottom-half finishes in the background section; and aftermath section needs some cites - i've tagged where citations are needed, which appears to be the only problem @Falastur2:. Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:25, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Done, again. I had originally opted against citing such things as the bottom-half finishes, as that struck me as a relatively easily verifiable fact but I have now cited all of these all the same. I hope that I've now cited enough in the article as, with 50 citations in an article not much bigger than a stub, I fear that the text is starting to look somewhat swamped with citation numbers! Falastur2 Talk 19:19, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg ALT2 Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:52, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article was pulled from Queue 3 due to having been previously deleted at AfD in 2010 (and merged in a previous creation in 2009), and also due to tone issues. There have been edits by Falastur2 since to address the tone issues, but due to its history at AfD I thought it was important to have the new incarnation of the article reviewed at AfD, so I have nominated it there. The DYK nomination is on hold until the AfD closes. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:26, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
With all due respect, I would have preferred if you had informed me that this had happened at the time. It took me a serious amount of time trawling through peoples' edit histories to work out that this is what had happened. Falastur2 Talk 22:10, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Internationales Sachsensymposion

Sutton Hoo helmet replica
Sutton Hoo helmet replica

5x expanded by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 03:16, 4 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg - Length, Date, QPQ, Cite, and Earwigs check. Image appears to be freely licensed. Mifter (talk) 04:16, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have returned this from prep because I think the article is lacking in sources independent of the subject. Gatoclass (talk) 16:53, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Gatoclass, added another source. I could pull together more sources if you like, but most are in German, or simply say "this paper was presented at the [year] Sachsensymposion." --Usernameunique (talk) 17:48, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
Usernameunique, the problem with your new source is that it really only constitutes a "trivial mention", per WP:GNG. I think what you need is one or two independent sources that give "significant coverage" per the guideline. Gatoclass (talk) 10:24, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Hamilton and North-Western Railway

Source: "Vuckson

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 21:10, 4 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article has been recently nuked and paved to more like a 10x expansion and is free of copyvios. The language is a little bit POV with things like "To everyone's surprise" (really?) and "Flush with cash from the merger", but these should be reasonably straightforward to copyedit out. I'm not sure which source verifies the hook; the lead suggests the line was operational some months after the merger in 1879. It looks like your nomination chopped off the pertinent part of the source. Also, QPQ needs to be done. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 22:43, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
  • QPQ aside, the 3,427 bytes, expanded to 17,893 bytes appears to be just over the 5 x requirement. No apparent copyright vio but there does seem to be some unsourced content and technical content dangling. It needs a good copy edit. I am looking at the hook.Mark Miller (talk) 22:50, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
This version, before Maury did the rewrite is 1255 characters of prose, requiring 6275 characters to count for a 5x expansion. I agree with your other points. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 23:48, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Point well taken. A character count is not the same as a byte count.Mark Miller (talk) 00:07, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
  • OK, there's a problem with the hook. The issue is that the bonus was not paid out to, or received by the company for something like finishing early or jjuts building the line. Each city paid a bonus out. From the article; "Towns along the proposed routes gave up large bonuses to be selected as stops along the line.". That needs to indicate that the bonus was from cities to actually have stops not for building the line. The article does not verify the hook. I suggest changing "..for building a completed route to the..." to "..from cities along the route to the..." and possibly add: "for stops".Mark Miller (talk) 23:06, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg So, checking against all 5 criteria, the article was expanded within 7 days, was expanded at last 5x and does not seem to have appeared on the main page that I am aware of. The issue appears to be neutrality as the hook implies bonus was paid to the company or article subject simply for building the line itself, however the monies paid were done so by cities in order to get the line to stop there. As a hook, that seems far more interesting. "Did you know the Hamilton and North-Western Railway was paid a bonus from each city along the new line in order for trains to stop?" That just seems more accurate, neutral and interesting but, it's only a suggestion. I have , however, struck out the first hook as it should not be used as written.Mark Miller (talk) 00:11, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

From Vuckson, page 1 & 2:

The concept of another railway linking Toronto’s great rival, Hamilton, with Lake Simcoe and Georgian Bay in the 1870’s persuaded Simcoe County and the townships the line would pass through to give financial bonuses for the construction of the H&NW in the hope of having another option to the rates and service dictated by the Northern.

As history has recorded, within a few months after the railway from Hamilton arrived in Collingwood in 1879 it merged, mainly for financial reasons, with its rival to whom it was intended to offer stiff competition. Politicians in Collingwood must have been frothing at the mouth over the nearly $38,000.00 in bonuses the Town had voted to give the H&NW which had promised from the outset that it was to be a “competing” line and would never amalgamate with another railway.

As you can see, the source directly states the line received bonuses specifically to provide competition to the Northern. The various other references all say the same thing. Every railway of that era was paid bonuses by the towns along the route, it's not really a useful hook (if one wants the hook to demonstrate something unique or interesting). That they received bonuses to build in order to provide competition and with the stipulation they would not merge, and then did so with their erstwhile competitor, is pretty much the "whole story" of this railway. Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:25, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

QPQ Template:Did you know nominations/Bill Dubuque. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:42, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Mark Miller, will you be returning to the review? The QPQ was completed a while ago. If not, please let us know and we'll call for a new reviewer. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
There is a difference between specifically and implicitly. After already stating that the bonuses were for stops in these towns...specifically, it is also noting a concept of competition that helped persuade the townships to pay the bonuses. The history being recorded was that a few months after completion it merged. The author uses the words "must have" in speculation of frothing mouths. So I would say I understand that the source makes reference very closely to what you are saying but it doesn't seem precise enough for all that is being written and how. Let me get back to this after dinner.Mark Miller (talk) 01:28, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 6[edit]

Fragments of Horror

  • Reviewed: Pending
  • Comment: I'd like to turn this into a double hook with Junji Ito’s Cat Diary: Yon & Mu (draft here), but this one is almost past the nomination deadline, so I'm posting it and may add the other one if I get it done sometime soon.

Moved to mainspace by G S Palmer (talk). Self-nominated at 00:21, 14 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg It's almost 3 weeks since you nominated this, so maybe we should leave it as a single hook? Please provide a QPQ so it can be reviewed. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:41, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Crap, I forgot about this. I'll try to get it done soon. G S Palmer (talkcontribs) 01:50, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 7[edit]

Catlin Brook

  • ... that the waterfalls on Catlin Brook are the "holy grail" of Pennsylvania waterfalls?
    • ALT1:... that the waterfalls on Catlin Brook, with blue ice columns that can persist until May, are the "holy grail" of Pennsylvania waterfalls?

Moved to mainspace by Jakob Coles (talk). Self-nominated at 21:25, 7 January 2018 (UTC).


Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - The hooks seems a bit too opinionated and promotional. And it's not quite clear what "holy grail" means in this case.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg It's a shame that there isn't a picture if the falls are so attractive. I'll have a look when I get a moment. Andrew D. (talk) 22:20, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

  • I've already made it clear that these statements aren't in Wikipedia's voice by using quotation marks and attributing the author. By the way, if you're curious about the visuals, you may like this and [10] (copyrighted, sadly). Jakob (talk) 01:46, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
  • How is Catlin Brook notable in the first place? It is only 1.5 miles long, accessible only be arduous hike, there is no mention of vertical drop or average (or peak) volume of water that makes the falls worth seeing, and in fact there is a note that in drought the brook can dry up entirely. If this site was truly a 'bucket list' destination for waterfall aficionados it would get mentions by many people. Instead, the only person writing about it appears to be Jeff Mitchell. He himself wrote "holy grail" - in quotes - in his book, but does not define what he means, except perhaps hard to get to. David notMD (talk) 23:50, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
  • This morning I searched on Pennsylvania waterfalls. Various websites described 5 to 30 (!) waterfalls. None included Catlin Brook. A better hook might be that it freezes solid in winter and is often still partially frozen as late as May. David notMD (talk) 13:51, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Operation Gotham Shield

ALT1 ... that, last year, a nuclear bomb was "detonated" at the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel?
ALT2 ... that, last year, there was a simulated nuclear weapons attack against the New York City area?

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 19:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, meets core content policies. I love the hook, but can't find it in the article. Jakob (talk) 20:25, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Jakob Coles thanks for the review! I've proposed an Alt1. Chetsford (talk) 11:45, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
  • COMMENT: As written, both ALT0 and ALT1 confusing (no bomb, no denotation). Consider something more explicit: ...that in a war games simulation, a nuclear device was exploded at the New Jersey entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel? David notMD (talk) 01:24, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
No nuclear device was exploded at the Lincoln Tunnel as part of the simulation. Chetsford (talk) 18:20, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - No actual nuclear detonation occurred, therefore the hook is misleading
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg A more valid hook needs to be offered. The current hook is misleading, and a new one is needed.
As of the date of nomination the article was new. Article at the time of nomination is over 3k characters of prose, utilized multiple reliable sources, has no significant POV issues observed (IMHO). Utilizing Earwig's Copyvio Detector, it only found it being 8.3%, thus violation appears to be unlikely. The hook cited to three sources, two of them sources of the United States Federal Government, if it the hook wasn't a "hypothetical ground burst" it would be interesting. And, the nominator does appear to meet QPQ, having offered a review of another nomination (which was already featured on the main page). RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:43, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks - new alt proposed. Chetsford (talk) 03:29, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg As this appears to utilize the same references to the previous hook, the issue appears to be resolved. A new reviewer is needed, and it should pass easily.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Ancient Beringian

  • that the Ancient Beringian are the first population of Paleo-Indians, which migrated from Siberia across Beringia and into Alaska during the lithic stage approximately twenty thousand years ago?

Created by IQ125 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:04, 7 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg New enough, long enough, neutral, cited (but see note after this line), no obvious copyvios (paraphrasing to be checked after cites are improved, again see note). Hook is on the border of being too long and should probably be cut down. There's about three distinct facts in there, if not more. A good interesting hook usually has at most two facts within it, usually one. The biggest problem here is the inline citations. Throwing seven inline cites on every sentence isn't particularly informative about where the information is coming from. Please improve the inline citations so that each sentence is cited only to the reference (or references) being used to support it. After that, I'll check for close paraphrasing and double-check that all of this is verified. ~ Rob13Talk 09:06, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Note: article has been proposed to be merged into another article; nomination is on hold until the merger proposal has been closed. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:44, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 9[edit]

Styling Garage

500 SGS Gullwing
500 SGS Gullwing

Created by Mr.choppers (talk). Self-nominated at 16:39, 9 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Mr.choppers: New enough and long enough. The hook, though very interesting, gives me a little pause. The source is some sort of fan site, so I'm not sure about the reliability of it, while in terms of tone, the way it's written seems not quite encyclopedic. Let me try this... Raymie (tc) 21:42, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Styling Garage charged luxury car customers almost the cost of the vehicle to convert it to gullwing doors?
@Raymie: Yes, sure, but the reason I wrote "another direction" is that it sounds strange and thus operates to hook the reader to make them click through. "Gullwing doors" kind of explains the whole thing, thus making it less likely to be clicked. As for the cost of the conversion, it is also listed in various old magazines, I reckoned a clickable source would be optimal (as fan-like as it may be). Should I add another source?  Mr.choppers | ✎  04:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Command and Destroy

  • ... that GameSpot's Austin Light called the controls for Command and Destroy a "vicious cycle of annoyance"? Source: "Repeating your commands only makes the stylus juggling worse; it's a vicious cycle of annoyance." ([11])
    • ALT1:... that GameSpot's Austin Light suggested that prospective players of Command and Destroy instead "do something more exciting, like shred documents or watch a screensaver"? "If you have a friend with the game and a few hours to kill, you could play a slow deathmatch or two. Or you could do something more exciting, like shred documents or watch a screensaver." ([12])

Created by Nomader (talk). Self-nominated at 07:21, 9 January 2018 (UTC).

Symbol confirmed.svg Length (just barely), history and reference verified. I like ALT1 much better out of the two hooks submitted.

But ... we have generally tried to avoid the "wild thing someone said about the subject" type hook, in my experience. I also don't see Austin Light's name linked in the article, which makes me think he's not a notable enough gaming critic to be named in the hook, much less quoted (and really, I'm sure this is hardly the only review he's written of a bad game that said something like this).

This leads me to suggest another hook:

ALT2: ... that Command and Destroy's password save system was kept when it was ported from the Game Boy Advance to the Nintendo DS, to the annoyance of critics on its 2008 release?"The absolute nail in the coffin is the evidence that this was indeed a Game Boy Advance port: password save. Password save on a Nintendo DS game? Did the developers miss the meeting at Nintendo that informed them that all Nintendo DS games would include some form of save technology? I'm guessing the team got the OK to port its GBA game to the DS but didn't get the time and/or budget to remove the password save system out of the project. The result is the clunky and archaic 'jot down the code after each mission' system, which shouldn't exist nowadays. And the inability to save your game during a mission is a game killer. Sorry guys.
Daniel Case (talk) 01:49, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Know this has already been moved to approved, but I like this ALT2 as well. Thanks @Daniel Case:. Nomader (talk) 17:17, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reviewer needed to check ALT2, given the concerns expressed about the other hooks, even if approved. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:06, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
    • Just want to clarify that IGN is a reliable source per WP:VG's reliable source list. The issue was the formatting of the original alts, not the notability of the article or the source that was used. ALT2 is meant to address those concerns-- please feel free to ping me if you think the article needs any further edits at all. Nomader (talk) 21:22, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
    • Put in a request at WP:VG right here for a second reviewer. Nomader (talk) 22:08, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 11[edit]

Prow house

  • ... that a prow house is named after a ship's prow? Source: "so-called because the central projection has been likened to the prow of a ship" ([13])

Created by MB (talk). Self-nominated at 14:25, 16 January 2018 (UTC).

General eligiblity:

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg await QPQ, copyvio 2%, hook character count <100, article character count >3000, interesting hook - I didn't know that! Whispyhistory (talk) 16:54, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Whispyhistory, QPQ review now done. MB 03:39, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Yes No problems, ready for DYK Whispyhistory (talk) 09:29, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Returned from prep due to several paragraphs without any citations, per Rule D2. Yoninah (talk) 16:44, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment – I moved this entry from the DYK approved page back to the DYK nomination page as per the concerns presented in the discussion. North America1000 14:38, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
  • The section has been reworked.MB 15:36, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to recheck the article to be sure it is adequately cited and that it reflects those sources, and that after the recent changes the hook remains in the article and cited there. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:49, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: The changes made were all in one small section (four sentences, not "several paragraphs" - it was really a bullet list of examples). I originally did not include citations since what these bullets were stating was obvious from the adjacent photos and really not necessary. There was never an "article-wide" citation issue and nothing wrong related to the hook. MB 16:08, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 12[edit]

McCallum Bagpipes

Created by Rey grschel (talk). Self-nominated at 08:44, 15 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough, long enough and within policy regarding neutrality, sourcing and close paraphrasing (Earwig maxes out at 2.0%). The original hook is far more interesting than ALT1, but both are neutral, within length and properly sourced. This appears to be the nominator's first DYK, so no QPQ would be needed.
@Rey grschel: Before this can proceed, can you please add citations where there are "citation needed" tags in the article. Thanks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:10, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: I've removed the unreferenced claims, as I could not find sources to support them. {{u|Rey_grschel}} {Talk} 00:54, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, gave it a quick copyedit, and formatted all the referencing. I have a question as to whether the company's logo is really public domain, or fair use. @The Rambling Man: could you enlighten us here? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 15:52, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment – I moved this entry from the DYK approved page back to the DYK nomination page as per the concerns presented in the discussion. North America1000 14:44, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
  • AFAIK, the threshold of originality in the UK is much lower than the US. With the target design and font choice, I expect this to be copyrighted in the UK.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 03:13, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
  • In that case, Chris Woodrich, does this need a non-free license (UK-based) for the logo to be used in the article, or would it not be eligible for such a license? (If ineligible, would the logo image then need to be removed from the article?) BlueMoonset (talk) 05:20, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Current logos are generally eligible. It's also possible to upload as free in the US only (like File:EDGE magazine (logo).svg) on the English Wikipedia (and delete it form Commons).  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:09, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Dai County, Dai Commandery, Dai (Spring and Autumn period), Dai Prefecture

The Bianjian Drum Tower in Dai County, China
The Bianjian Drum Tower in Dai County, China

5x expanded by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 15:16, 19 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Comment: Probably neater and tidier to process these all at once. I'll still be working and cleaning up the other articles over the next few days, but I'll park this here and get this started since everything is already 5× and the county article is bumping up against its deadline. (It was 5× on the 12th; the rest are more recent.)
  • COMMENT: This proposed DYK and one from January 22 both use the same image. If both are approved, perhaps one can give up the image.David notMD (talk) 12:28, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Or they could both use it. It's a nice image. This hook could also use a map or image of the old city of Dai in Hebei, too, if the reviewer prefers. We'll wait until there is one and see what s/he says. — LlywelynII 09:25, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Three of these articles are five-fold expansions and one replaces a redirect (is new). They are all long enough and have been nominated in time. The image is suitably licensed and the articles are neutral. Many of the sources are in Chinese or not available to me, and Earwig found nothing to be concerned about. Four QPQs have been done. No doubt the hooks are all accurate, but please could you spell out precisely where these facts are stated in the article(s) so that anyone ignorant of Chinese geography can see that they are true. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:34, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 13[edit]

J.W. Harris (bull rider)

  • Comment: I have used 5 of 5 of my QPQ credits before I need to do a review.

Created by Dawnleelynn (talk). Self-nominated at 04:18, 17 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The hook is very catchy, but I have tagged the article for feature-writing and tone issues. I wrote my explanation on the talk page. Yoninah (talk) 01:07, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @Cwmhiraeth: Hi, Cwmhiraeth, you have reviewed my DYKs before, so I'm asking you for help, please. I believe this editor has gone beyond WP:DYKNOT and other issues. They do not call out other editors they work on for the same issues. (Added note here-I just meant for story and tone issues only). Sorry. I'm making that clear now. And they no longer respond to my comments on the article talk page where they started a conversation. How can I complete the review when they no longer engage? dawnleelynn(talk) 20:13, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @Dawnleelynn: I am sorry that you don't have the patience to wait for my reply. I've been pretty busy with regular work this week and have been too tired at night to respond to your lengthy posts with a clear head. If you don't want me to continue working on your nomination, please feel free to ask someone else. But please AGF instead of saying They do not call out other editors they work on for the same issues. Can you provide me with diffs for such a statement? I try to evaluate every article according to the DYK rulebook. I'm happy not to engage further with someone who is ABF. Yoninah (talk) 21:12, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
I added four articles to the conversation in Harris' talk page that you worked on as shown in the edit history and your contribs that clearly show they have at least a partial form of telling a story. And one definitely has some puffery in it, Bloom. You are right, I should have been more specific. But seriously, there are more, but this is enough. Beyond that, I looked through many and did not see anyone else tagged either. Not to mention my last article, Eternal Sun, same issues and a long time working those out too. I mean, I got the lead editor who brought Secretariat to Featured Article Status to do a copy edit and you were still not satisfied. dawnleelynn(talk) 23:11, 8 February 2018 (UTC) Sorry, I did not make this clear, they do not call out other editors for story and tone issues, this is important. Also, when cwmhiraeth did a review on my Code Blue (bull) article for DYK, it went fine without any tone or story issues. dawnleelynn(talk) 23:24, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Add that I apologized profusely on Yoninah's talk page profusely for the mistake of making them think that I was calling out all their edits instead of just the tone & story telling ones as being the ones that I can't find any other editor's being tagged or edited in their articles for. dawnleelynn(talk) 04:39, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
It's obvious from beginning to end that article creators who question edits, even when legitimately, are put off and ignored, so I'm pulling this DYK from the queue. dawnleelynn(talk) 19:01, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @Dawnleelynn: It's a shame you put so much work into this and won't wait to see it on the main page (where thousands of other readers will see it, too). Frankly, I'm surprised you didn't act like a lot of other page creators around here and simply delete the tags. Yes, I was very insulted by your accusations and tone, but I'm over it now. My main concern is the article. My main issue with it is that you say he's only halfway through his career, yet you've written an overlong and detailed account of his life that is usually reserved for dead kings and film stars. Sections 2014 and 2015 practically cover every week. I suggest some serious cutting and synopsizing to get this article in shape. And also removal of the puffery. This is not a personal attack (I don't even know you), but an evaluation based solely on the article. I'm happy to continue so we can get this on the main page. Yoninah (talk) 20:09, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Yes, I did put a lot of work into it. There is some content I didn't add yet, but it was hardly essential, just the Championship Bull Riding competition and the YouTube/PBR videos of official PBR rides. But like I said on your talk page, I did not mean to accuse you of making all the edits on my article only and not on others' articles. That would be impossible. That was just a bad comment that was written in too much of a hurry. Also, with the beginning comments, tone is sometimes hard to get right with text only. So, I can't change it, but will try to do better in the future.
And, like I said before, my first draft is usually verbose and then I take editing runs through to make it more concise. I reminded myself of his birthdate just now, and he's 31, so that's really more like 2/3's of his career over now. Anyway, both the PBR and PRCA seasons run from January to November/December. In 2014, I documented 1-2 outs for about 15 dates. In 2015, I documented 5-6 dates, I didn't even get the Finals in that year because I couldn't find a source. If you look at the partner web site of the PBR and PRCA, ProBullStats [15] you'll see that Harris has made 604 qualified rides out of 1,160 attempts. That's over 1,000 times he's sat on the back of a bull and tried to make 8 seconds. It works out to almost 100 bulls per year. What is overly long is not how many attempts I've documented in a particular season, but how long the description is in some of them. BTW, we aren't supposed to take the template tags off until the issue is corrected. So I don't. I'm a stickler for the rules. I've seen editors take the tags off and more. Anyway, if you are still willing and want to let bygones-be-bygones for the sake of the article, then I will too. Thanks. I have another article I just added, though. Is it okay to have two? This article is short and doesn't have any story or tone issues, yes I'm sure. dawnleelynn(talk) 22:24, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 14[edit]

Minneapolis Miracle

Created by Lamblings (talk). Nominated by Bobamnertiopsis (talk) at 01:12, 18 January 2018 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Article was created on 15 January so is in date, is more than long enough and there are no copyvio concerns. A couple of sourcing issues, the end of The Play section is unsourced as is the first quote in Broadcast calls. I would also suggest the hook could be reworded slightly to focus more on the actual game, perhaps:

that the last-second game-winning touchdown by the Minnesota Vikings in the 2018 NFC divisional playoff was dubbed the Minneapolis Miracle?

What are your thoughts? Once the sourcing is fixed and a QPQ review added, this is good to go. Kosack (talk) 13:23, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

  • I added an ALT1 that uses Joe Buck's call of that final play. Consider and reword as appropriate. Alansohn (talk) 17:43, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
ALT1 is kind of uninteresting; one would expect a sportscaster to go off like that in any sport when there's a last-second incredible play that wins a game thought hopelessly lost just moments before. Even the original hook ... well, these moments usually get names, so that shouldn't be a surprise.

I think a more interesting hook would be something that, I admit, is not presently in the article. It has been speculated by reliable sources that Marcus Williams was trying to avoid another pass interference call, which to me makes sense on the replays. We could put this in, and use it as the hook ... not everyone is aware of this angle on the story. Daniel Case (talk) 00:43, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 16[edit]

Aubervilliers Congress

Created by Mélencron (talk). Self-nominated at 02:11, 16 January 2018 (UTC).

Juliana Walanika

  • ...that Hawaiian vocalist Juliana Walanika, a favorite of Queen Liliuokalani, modernized Hawaiian music during the latter part of the 19th century?

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 03:51, 15 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough and long enough, well cited, neutrally written, no copyvio found, hook is okay and is cited to respectable online sources. QPQ done. Good to go. Moonraker (talk) 11:44, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but the hook seems a little vague. Perhaps you could say what she did to modernize it? Yoninah (talk) 00:00, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Wouldnt it be hookier if it was vague. The sources doesn't specify. It only says that the queen sent her different parts of the islands to perform modern versions of old meles and chants and her style became the standard for modern Hawaiian music.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 05:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @KAVEBEAR: somehow that seems like a better hook:
  • ALT1: ... that Hawaiian vocalist Juliana Walanika's updated versions of old meles and chants became the standard for modern Hawaiian music? Yoninah (talk) 11:40, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
  • I can float with the that.–KAVEBEAR (talk) 13:42, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thank you. I added some links here and in the article. Calling on new reviewer to approve ALT1. Yoninah (talk) 21:29, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 17[edit]

Yanmen Commandery

Yanmen Commandery formed the central part of Zhao's conquests c. 300 BC
Yanmen Commandery formed the central part of Zhao's conquests c. 300 BC
  • ... that China's Yanmen Commandery (pictured) survived for over 1000 years, from c. 300 BC to AD 758? Anc. China & Its Enemies: "King Wu-ling [r. –299 BC] 'in the north attacked the Lin Hu and the Lou-fan; built long walls, and made a barrier... He then established the three commanderies of Yen-men, Yün-chung, and Tai"; Hist. Dict. of Med. China: "TANG... 742–758"
  • ALT1: ... that China's Yanmen Commandery was formed from Zhao's conquests among the Loufan and the Forest Barbarians (pictured)?
  • ALT2: ... that the governor of Zhao's Yanmen Commandery (pictured) lured 100,000 nomad horsemen over the Great Wall before encircling and destroying them in the mid-3rd century BC? The Cambridge History of Early Inner Asia: "...later in the 3rd century... Li Mu, who was responsible for garrisoning the northern frontier of Chao at Yen-men... lured the nomads deep into Chao territory... made a surprise attack with a combined army of chariots, cavalry, and archers over 160,000... defeated a Hsiung-nu army of more than 100,000 horsemen... Ch'in connected, repaired, and extended the three separate walls of Ch'in, Chao, and Yen which had been built in the Warring States period, so that one long Great Wall was finally formed..."
  • Reviewed: Will do Ronin.

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 18:57, 24 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough, long enough, well referenced, and neutrally written. QPQ is done. No copyvio found. ALT0 is verified and good to go. I like ALT2 too, but the source (Yu 1990) only says Zhao defeated the Xiongnu, not "encircling and destroying". Map is freely licensed, but it only shows the Zhao kingdom as a whole, not Yanmen Commandery specifically. -Zanhe (talk) 04:47, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote ALT0, but I don't see any mention of AD 758 in the article. Yoninah (talk) 23:29, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 19[edit]

Fly Fishing: Memories of Angling Days

Created by The C of E (talk). Self-nominated at 20:38, 19 January 2018 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. It is neutral. First hook is fine but I doubt it will make much sense to anyone outside the UK or younger than a certain age. That may not matter for April Fools. Second hook doesn't work for me even as an April Fools. Did some copy editing on the article. It's pseudonymous not ghost written. Removed the Daily Mail reference. I was puzzled by ref 1 Organization Theory, Challenges and Perspectives. It seems unlikely and a text search on Amazon did not show the word Hartley. Can we improve on ref 5 "The Man In the Know" in the Daily Record which has a bye-line of "showbiz Sam". Is there a better source for it being a best-seller? I doubt that this should really be a separate article. It should probably be part of J. R. Hartley who as a fictional character is hardly likely to be notable for anything else. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:51, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
@Philafrenzy: The CTI source is here, I have added another source to suppliment the Record one. The book is separate from the ad beyond being inspired by it, no point in merging. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:22, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
I am ready to tick it but before I do, do you have a different wording for the alt as it doesn't work with "Did you know that" in front of it. I have warmed to it. Also, the first one isn't strictly speaking a factual statement about the article subject, Wikipedia does not have the book. Not sure whether that matters for April fool's. Perhaps other people have a view on the hooks, the other matters having been resolved. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:58, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
@Philafrenzy: Strictly speaking, under E1 of the Wikipedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines, "that" doesn't need to be the lead word. So if you read it as "Did you know if we have a copy....", it makes more sense (for an AFD hook of course!). If you're not happy with that, I will try to reword it. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 17:38, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
With the exception of a couple of April Fools' Day hooks, I've never seen a hook without "that" survive to make it to the main page, so you may have a chance here because of AFDay. I'm not sure it works, though, and it may get taken up by our friends of the DYK talk page if they don't think it does. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:27, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Neither hook makes the slightest bit of sense to me, if it doesn't translate beyond the borders of a specific country, it shouldn't be run IMO. Gatoclass (talk) 10:05, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
  • The more I think on it, the more I agree. I've struck both hooks. The first is completely opaque to a non-Brit (and probably opaque to many Brits), and the second blathers on before we discover that it's apparently an author hoping that we have his book (though he or she is apparently part of that we, which is even more confusing). This needs something that's generally accessible to an April Fools' audience. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:30, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Waiting for agreement on a hook. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:36, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Agreement with whom @Philafrenzy:? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 20:45, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Between you and the people who don't like your hooks. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:45, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

ALT3 is not completely accurate and is not really an April Fools hook IMO. Suggested alt:

  • ALT4: ... that the book Fly Fishing was written by a fictional character from a TV advertisement? Gatoclass (talk) 13:51, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 20[edit]

Shaitan Singh

Improved to Good Article status by Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk). Self-nominated at 16:11, 22 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new enough, long enough, mostly well referenced, but not neutrally written. In the "Sino India War" section, the sentence "Even after continuous protests by India over China's intrusion, the Chinese troops continued to occupy several hundred square kilometers of the Indian territory" is written completely from the Indian narrative unsupported by any neutral academic source. If you read neutral sources such as this US Navy report, you'll get a vastly different picture of the war's background. And why does this article about an individual soldier even need to discuss the cause of the war and Nehru's decision process? It should focus on the soldier's personal exploits, not how the war started.
As for the hooks, I find the main hook uninteresting; ALT1 is slightly better. But I think the article contains more interesting facts such as that he ordered his men to leave him to die, or that he was decorated by the Indian government, while his father was honoured by the British. -Zanhe (talk) 02:42, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
  • @Zanhe: Thanks for the review. I've neutralized the paragraph, and even trimmed it a bit. Please have a look. Alternate hooks are as follows:
Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 05:25, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you! ALT2 and ALT3 are much more interesting, although ALT2 is too detailed, could you trim it a bit? -Zanhe (talk) 00:08, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
  • Both ALT2 and ALT4 are confusing and grammatically problematic because the final phrase refers back to Singh, but there's too much in between for it to read well, in addition to other wording issues. (I've struck them both because of these structural problems.) ALT3 works because the Param Vir Chakra comes right after Singh's name. If we want to include the incident for which he was given the award, how about:
  • ALT5: ... that a badly wounded Major Shaitan Singh, who was later awarded the Param Vir Chakra, ordered his soldiers to leave him behind rather than face heavy machine gun fire evacuating him?
Please note that the article is incorrect when it says "the Chinese brought a heavy machine gun to fire upon them", since the source states "the Chinese brought heavy machine gun fire on them": this would be close paraphrasing if it were accurate, but it isn't: the machine gun (or it could be several guns!) was already firing on them, according to the source; it wasn't a case of Singh sensing that a heavy gun was being moved into position and was about to fire. The article will need to be fixed whether ALT5 is used or not. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:53, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
ALT6: ... that a badly wounded Major Shaitan Singh, who was later awarded the Param Vir Chakra, ordered his soldiers to leave him behind rather than face enemy fire evacuating him?

Henry Liebman

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 11:42, 20 January 2018 (UTC).

  • COMMENT: The article has wording "However, Liebman himself has said he hates the soup." but in the reference for that statement "hates" is in quotes, and Liebman gives as his reason that the soup “...has too many noodles, it’s not spicy enough and it needs more pickled cabbage.” So, he does not hate the soup, he 'hates' the soup. The article should be revised, and the proposed hook, too. David notMD (talk) 21:42, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I guess I'm not understanding the difference between hating the soup and "hating" the soup. The quotation marks in the article aren't used as irony punctuation but to indicate a direct quote. Chetsford (talk) 18:18, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
I read it (the text in the reference) exactly as irony punctuation. Given my opinion, I will defer reviewing this DYK. David notMD (talk) 23:48, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
  • COMMENT: IMO this article closer to qualifying for AfD than DYK - the article is about a real estate developer developing real estate, and the hook is that he voiced some criticism about a restaurant dish named after him. David notMD (talk) 10:58, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • David notMD, if you believe the article is about a non-notable person, then you should put it up for AfD, as that is the established method for determining whether an article meets notability standards. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 21[edit]

Susan Goldberg

Created by Jesswade88 (talk). Nominated by Fitindia (talk) at 20:56, 21 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is new enough, and is of min length. It is neutral and sourced. Hook is interesting, cited, and used in article. Pending issues are:
  • Copyvio check 40.8% violation. This needs to be fixed, please rephrase the sentences.
  • Article lead needs to be expanded.
  • Create the article's talk page.
Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 16:03, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello! I've edited the text to avoid copyvio (down to 32 %)- is it enough? Jesswade88 (talk) 21:18, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

@Jesswade88: Looks good now. I have added a {{clarification}} tag, please address that. Also add a couple of sentences to the lead. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 05:37, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
@Krishna Chaitanya Velaga: All done, let me know if that is ok! Jesswade88 (talk) 20:01, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Note: cleaning up above "all done" note so it has a valid sig, and repinging Krishna Chaitanya Velaga, who wouldn't have seen it due to issues with the original sig interfering with the ping process. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:43, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed; previous one hasn't returned after over two weeks despite most recent ping. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Reclaiming Health and Safety For All

Ragnar Löfstedt, author of the report
Ragnar Löfstedt, author of the report

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 17:41, 21 January 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on January 26[edit]

David Meade (author)

Giza Pyramids in Egypt
Giza Pyramids in Egypt

Created/expanded by LovelyGirl7 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:37, 26 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The hook seems uninteresting and I had to read the article to find out what it was about. Could the hook be rewritten to make it more interesting, or at least to clarify what the prediction was about? --Sky Harbor (talk) 04:30, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
@Sky Harbor: he predicted Nibiru would hit earth September 23rd, 2017 and he claimed the codes were in the pyramids. --LovelyGirl7 talk 19:41, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
@LovelyGirl7:, in that case, would you be okay with a slightly modified hook?
...that David Meade's prediction of a hidden planet named Nibiru hitting Earth on September 23, 2017 was revealed at the Giza Pyramids in Egypt (pictured)?
I think this hook makes it clearer what the prediction was and so people don't have to guess. --Sky Harbor (talk) 02:32, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
@LovelyGirl7: I don't mind. I'm okay with it. Thank you!--LovelyGirl7 talk 13:14, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
You're very welcome! As for the rest of the article, I did check and there doesn't seem to be any copyright issues, it looks new enough, and it's also long enough. For some reason I can't make the QPQ tool work, but I think it's okay since I don't see other reviews, but I'll look into this further. :) --Sky Harbor (talk) 03:27, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
@Sky Harbor: I revised my hook per your suggestions. --LovelyGirl7 talk 17:41, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg My apologies for the late response, LovelyGirl7. Everything seems to check out so far, so Approved. --Sky Harbor (talk) 02:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
@Sky Harbor: Thank you. Hopefully it appears on the main page. —LovelyGirl7 talk 06:06, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 27[edit]

Magill Youth Training Centre

  • Reviewed: Dai County
  • Comment: This is three days late but I just "discovered" it while reviewing new articles. My QPQ is the third of four articles in a single hook.

Created by Andykusama (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 09:51, 7 February 2018 (UTC).

  • The ref given doesn't have a quote that supports the spelling of "it's" - the ref is titled "Magill training centre worst of its kind". Bahudhara (talk) 13:11, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Well spotted! I have adjusted article and hook. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:19, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 28[edit]

Brian Wilson is a genius

Improved to Good Article status by Ilovetopaint (talk). Self-nominated at 12:15, 5 February 2018 (UTC).

Yeah, that's a much better idea. --Ilovetopaint (talk)

Emil Fröschels

Created/expanded by Robert K S (talk). Self-nominated at 05:46, 28 January 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article contains "suspended" word instead of "stripped of" as used here. These are two different terms. And the fact that he was a founder of the field of speech therapy, is not in the reference, it says he was founder and director of speech and voice clinics and He founded and served as president of the New York Society for Speech and Voice Therapy 1947-1972.

The article is new and the prose is enough, however the hook needs to be revisited and recreated to meet the guidelines.  MehrajMir (talk) 15:26, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

I think the article is fairly clear that he "lost his venia legendi (status as a lecturer)", i.e., was dehabilitated, i.e., stripped of his lecturer status. It seems a little strange to get hung up on the word "suspended" which comes earlier in the sentence and is used to refer to his position, not his habilitation (the former being a job, the latter being more like a license). Moreover, the Nazis were not going to un-suspend Fröschels. In point of fact he had to flee the country for his life in 1939. Robert K S (talk) 03:55, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg As per WP:DYK, I'm unable to get the current hook verified from those inline references. Therefore I'm turning the review over to a new reviewer for any possible approval soon.  MehrajMir (talk) 06:41, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
I think these are the two most significant references: [17] (German) [18] (English). Robert K S (talk) 07:41, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
I am ready to review. Interesting life, on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. - For the hook fact: the term logopedics appears only in the lead and the sentence about the founding in 1924. Can you clarify in the article, with source(s), how that constitutes what the hook says? - Or find another hook? - How do you feel about an infobox? - I think that "ear clinic" is not a common word in English, - perhaps say Ohrenklinik once, explain, and then use a more English term? If "ear clinic" the capitalization should be consistent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:34, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing. Can you propose a different hook? As for your proposed changes for the article, I think you should go ahead and make them. I don't know much more about the subject than what is in the article. I do know, from a book I am translating, that his co-workers found his clinical office empty the day of the Anschluss. Surprise, surprise. Anyway, I am not at all married to the hook and if you can modify it in a way that clears any hurdles I beg you to go ahead and do so. Thanks! Robert K S (talk) 07:43, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, - it's not so much the Anschluss thing, but the "a founder of the field of speech therapy" that I think could be clearer in the article, and you can do it better than I could. I can take care of "ear clinic" and infobox, but only later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
I would like you to propose a change in the hook that satisfies the applicable standard, if you could. I can see that calling a person a "founder" of a field is a bit of a subjective thing; one always has predecessors even if they did not strike upon the same ideas and implementations. To that extent, the language of the statement translated from the German Wikipedia counterpart article, even if correct from the perspective of its original author, may never be satisfactorily sourceable. As for "ear clinic", today you would go to an ENT clinic, but back then they didn't include the nose and throat in the discipline. If you don't like "ear clinic" you could just delete it and go with otiological clinic, as the article already specifies parenthetically. Robert K S (talk) 19:23, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Understand, I guess.
Symbol voting keep.svg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:36, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't think it's going to pass muster with the editors at DYK and administrators who want thoroughly sourced facts. The claim in the lead, Together with Karl Cornelius Rothe, he is considered the founder of speech therapy, is not sourced. Under "Work" it says, Fröschels is next to Hermann Gutzmann Sr. as a pioneer of modern language research and founder of speech therapy, which is also unsourced. Don't these statements contradict one another? The third paragraph under "Life" needs at least one citation, per Rule D2, and the last half of the first paragraph under "Life" could also use a citation. Where did you get all this information?
  • Regarding the hook, perhaps you could say something about him forming the IALP, or adding something from footnote 2 to introduce readers to the terms "logopedics" and "phoniatrics". After you address the above citations, I could help you formulate a hook. Yoninah (talk) 23:32, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 29[edit]

Christopher White (pianist)

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:44, 6 February 2018 (UTC).

  • I'll be reviewing this :-) – Lionel(talk) 04:42, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg @Gerda Arendt: Regrettably this nomination is not new enough. Article created on 1/29/18, the seven day period ended 2/5/18. However the nomination was created on 2/6/18. – Lionel(talk) 04:56, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
I am sorry that I have trouble calculating the days when the new month comes. It happened before. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Well, since you are an experienced DYK nominator, and because we have a large backlog of hooks, I'm not going to waive the 7 days. If this was your first DYK I would waive 7 days.– Lionel(talk) 08:38, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
I don't see how my bad math relates to experience and no experience in DYK. What do others think? Is the pianist a worthy subject for the Main page even if I made a calculating error?
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:27, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: being under 12 hours late in nominating due to an honest mistake in calculating the seven days strikes me as both understandable and allowable under the circumstances. I would certainly allow this nomination to proceed. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:26, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Bull and Mouth Inn

Bull and Mouth Inn sign
Bull and Mouth Inn sign
  • Reviewed: To be done

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Self-nominated at 13:25, 5 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hi Philafrenzy, review follows: Article created 29 January; article is of good length; article is cited inline throughout to reliable sources; article is well written and I detected no apparent overly close paraphrasing; hook is interesting and is cited to a source which backs up the claim; image works well at small scale but requires a US copyright tag to accompany the PD-70 tag at commons, additionally a QPQ is required. Great little article and very interesting, thanks for writing it! - Dumelow (talk) 10:48, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, I will deal with those things. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:53, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Faith in Buddhism

  • ... that in early Buddhism, the Buddha is quoted stating to his disciples that they should investigate him before developing faith, as to whether he truly is enlightened or not? Sources: De Silva, p.215 "When observing him [the Buddha] for a long time, if they find no corrupt conduct, nor a mixture of good and evil qualities and they find only virtuous conduct they can come to the conclusion that the Buddha is truly enlightened."; Jayatilleke pp.390–393 "Here it is said that 'an enquiring monk, who can read the thoughts of another, should examine the Tathāgata to determine whether he is enlightened or not.' ... We may see from this that doubt ... plays a central role in the process of inquiry which is considered to be essential, prior to and for the generation of belief (or faith)."
  • ALT1 ... that translator and monastic Bhikkhu Bodhi believes that people have underestimated the role of faith in Buddhist teaching? Source: McMahan, p.248 "He [Bhikkhu Bodhi] rejects the idea that 'a follower of the Buddhist path can dispense with all faith and doctrine' ... 'Rather, while testing those elements of the dharma that fall within the purview of their experience, Buddhists must, having verified these, place faith in the Buddha's doctrines that are beyond their current ability to verify personally (1998).'"
  • Reviewed: Saturnalia
  • Commented: Please add the image File:Buddha Kopf.jpg with the caption The Buddha. Thanks.

Improved to Good Article status by Farang Rak Tham (talk). Self-nominated at 08:18, 29 January 2018 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Substantial article, on excellent sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio. I am not happy with the original hook, liking the ALT better. What do you think of this:
ALT2: ... that people have underestimated the role of faith in Buddhism, according to translator and monastic Bhikkhu Bodhi?
I made some copy-editing, looking forward to a peer review: no fixed image sizes, and full stops in captions only after sentences, among others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:07, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 31[edit]

Kyrö Distillery Company

Napue rye gin by Kyrö Distillery Company
Napue rye gin by Kyrö Distillery Company
  • ... that Napue rye gin (pictured), the flagship product of the Finnish Kyrö Distillery Company, was named after the Battle of Napue? Source: "A couple of centuries later the locals fought against Russia in the ill-fated Battle of Napue in 1714, where more than half of the male population was slaughtered. The team chose the name Napue Gin, after this nearby Finnish village in Ostrobothnia." ([20])
    • ALT1: ... that the Finnish Kyrö Distillery Company decided to produce gin (pictured) instead of whisky at first because of European Union regulations? Source: "But since it takes a long time to make whiskey (under European Union Law, you have to age it for at least three years to call it a single malt), they decided to first come out with a gin." ([21])
    • ALT2: ... that the Finnish Kyrö Distillery Company uses a custom typeface (pictured) based on memorial engravings of the 1714 Battle of Napue? Source: "Custom typeface called “Napue Sans” was designed from old Napue battle memorial monument engravings (right next to the distillery building), giving a true historical and local flair for the identity." ([22])

Improved to Good Article status by Manelolo (talk). Self-nominated at 10:18, 31 January 2018 (UTC).

Article/sources look good, promoted to GA on 31 January. Manelolo, I might use as a hook "... that Finland's Kyrö Distillery Company uses a custom typeface based on memorial engravings of the 1714 Battle of Napue?" Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 05:12, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Thx Ed! I added it as ALT2. Manelolo (talk) 08:52, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Per Rule H2, new reviewer needed for ALT2 (which IMO is the best hook). Yoninah (talk) 23:14, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Reviewer should also check neutrality, copyvio/close paraphrasing, image, and any other DYK criteria that weren't covered in the original review. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Der Gemischte Chor Zürich

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 13:33, 7 February 2018 (UTC).

Zettabyte Era

Article created by User:Qm13.

Created by Qm13 (talk). Nominated by Jaobar (talk) at 16:55, 31 January 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 1[edit]

Sutton Hoo Helmet (sculpture)

The Sutton Hoo helmet
The Sutton Hoo helmet
  • ... that the Sutton Hoo helmet (pictured) weighs 2.5 kg (5.5 lb), but the Sutton Hoo Helmet weighs 900 kg (2,000 lb)? Source: Ipswich Star, 2002: "The three dimensional helmet, weighing 900kg, is a representation of the famous Anglo-Saxon warrior helmet..."
    • ALT1:... that Sutton Hoo Helmet (pictured) was designed to have a "fierce presence"? Source: Ipswich Star, 2002: "Mr Kirby said he had been asked to make a helmet with a 'fierce presence'."

Created by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 23:04, 8 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article has a big "notability" tag at the top; this might need a customary AfD before this may proceed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:59, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Narutolovehinata5. There's a discussion on the talk page, although Editør—who is the only one who has raised notability concerns—has not yet responded to my latest expansion of the article in an attempt to alleviate those concerns. There's also a bit of discussion here, where Yoninah weighed in in favor of the article. All told, it's a big (and cool!) sculpture, by a notable artist, that received press coverage both when unveiled and subsequently, and that 100,000 people walk under every year. We could propose deletion if Editør's concerns truly haven't been met, but I (would like to) think that the outcome would be a foregone conclusion. --Usernameunique (talk) 04:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
I'm thinking of nominating the article for deletion, but merely in a procedural manner: I don't have any position on whether or not the subject itself. But in any case, at the very least this might need to be put on hold until Editor responds. You could leave them a talkpage message if you wish. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Wang Bingzhang (general)

Wang Bingzhang
Wang Bingzhang

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 19:44, 2 February 2018 (UTC).

  • On it.

    Symbol question.svg New enough; long enough [~4.8k elig. chars.]; Earwig finds no copyvio; probably about as well-sourced as possible in English and well written without any of the POVy tone situations like this lend themselves to; I always prefer {{chinese}} infoboxes (allows Wade, &c., more easily and avoids the malformatted semicolons of {{zh}}) and have started adding External links to the Baidu Baike and Baike.com articles on Chinese topics, but I'll just leave that for Zanhe to consider since we were having some issues earlier. Apologies on my end, and happy Spring Festival. =) 

    QPQ still needed.

    As far as the hook, it all checks out except for the without being charged of a crime part. The People's Daily explicitly accuses him of involvement in the Lin Biao conspiracy; Phoenix News just says he was held, using his daughter as its source; China's Space Program similarly just says he was arrested, although not on the linked page, so I might be missing something there. Now, they didn't prosecute him when he got out (saw that) but is there one of the sources that explicitly says that he was never charged with a crime while being held? I'd imagine something like "sedition", "treason", &c. related to Mao's fears about the clique around Lin Biao could easily have been made or mooted, even though they never got the evidence to finalize the sentence with a judge. If I didn't miss something (easily possible: just explain if I'm missing something from the Chinese sources) and no one came out and said that, you can probably still make this work with a little rephrasing about "declining to prosecute" or sth.

    The pic has a Chinese license but apparently (?) needs a separate American one to be used freely, since Wikipedia's based in the US. — LlywelynII 09:22, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks for pointing out the error in the hook. It should read "without being convicted of a crime", but I got careless after spending hours poring over the sources. So here's ALT1:
  • ALT1 ... that Lt. Gen. Wang Bingzhang (pictured), head of China's ballistic missile and satellite programs, was imprisoned for ten years without being convicted of a crime?
I've added the Chinese infobox module to the infobox. I prefer the Chinese infobox too, but sometimes get lazy :).
Regarding the image, there have been complex discussions about the URAA at the Commons, but the current situation is that URAA images are ok for the commons, which means ok for DYK (see official position of the Wikimedia Foundation and community decision).
QPQ has been added.
No worries about the past issues. New year, new beginning :) -Zanhe (talk) 20:59, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 2[edit]

1838 Georgetown slave sale, Isaac Hawkins

Source: [23]

Created by Antony-22 (talk) and Fuzheado (talk). Nominated by Antony-22 (talk) at 00:45, 10 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg These two articles are new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the articles are neutral and I detected no copyright issues. One QPQ has been done. If the merger goes ahead we will not need another QPQ, but if the articles remain separate, we will. Perhaps you can ping me when the nomination is ready for final approval, either as one merged article, or as two articles with an extra QPQ done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Fidel Castro Díaz-Balart

Fidel Castro Díaz-Balart (left) with President Peña Nieto of Mexico
Fidel Castro Díaz-Balart (left) with President Peña Nieto of Mexico

Created by BD2412 (talk) and Moscow Mule (talk). Nominated by BD2412 (talk) at 22:50, 3 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I can't see anywhere in the article where it says he led a "failed" twelve-year effort. Gatoclass (talk) 08:03, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
    • I have added reference to the fact that Castro Díaz-Balart was removed from the project, and that it was thereafter suspended. bd2412 T 17:17, 6 February 2018 (UTC)


Capitoline bust of Pythagoras
Capitoline bust of Pythagoras
  • ... that, according to later legends, the Greek philosopher Pythagoras had a golden thigh, was able to fly using a magic arrow given to him by the priest of Apollo, was once greeted by name by a river, and, when he was bitten by a deadly snake, he bit it back and it died? Source: "Aristotle described Pythagoras as a wonder-worker and somewhat of a supernatural figure. In a fragment, Aristotle writes that Pythagoras had a golden thigh... Supposedly, the priest of Apollo gave Pythagoras a magic arrow, which he used to fly over long distances and perform ritual purifications... When Pythagoras crossed the river Casas, "several witnesses" reported that they heard it greet him by name... A fragment from Aristotle records that, when a deadly snake bit Pythagoras, he bit it back and it died."
    • ALT1:... that the Greek philosopher Pythagoras believed in metempsychosis (reincarnation) and told people that he could remember his previous incarnations? Source: "One of Pythagoras's main doctrines appears to have been metempsychosis, the belief that all souls are immortal and that, after death, a soul is transferred into a new body... Empedocles alludes in one of his poems that Pythagoras may have claimed to possess the ability to recall his former incarnations. Diogenes Laërtius reports an account from Heraclides Ponticus that Pythagoras told people that he had lived four previous lives that he could remember in detail."
  • Comment: This is my first DYK, so I have no idea if I am doing this right. The article Pythagoras became a GA yesterday morning and it is currently listed as a Level 3 "Vital Article." There are all kinds of crazy stories told about Pythagoras by ancient writers, so I thought I would write the DYK about those. --Katolophyromai (talk) 16:43, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Improved to GA Katolophyromai (talk). Self-nominated at 16:43, 3 February 2018 (UTC).

  • COMMENT: WAY too long (limit is 200 characters, counting spaces), and besides too many legends, each with different references. I suggest a shorter ALT2. When providing the supporting source, the number and name of the ref is often enough. The name of the article should be Wikilinked and in bold (I added bold), and try to avoid other Wikilinks in the hook. David notMD (talk) 21:41, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
  • COMMENT: It'd be a sin against the gods not to use some version of the awesome original hook; Mr notMD is right that it needs to be pared down, though:
  • ALT2: .... that Greek legends claimed Pythagoras had a golden thigh? could fly thanks to a magic arrow? was greeted by name by a river? and, when bitten by a snake, bit it back and killed it?
For people who don't know that question marks can function as commas, you could also redo that ALT with commas instead, although it makes the last part a little messier; semicolons could also work. ALT1 doesn't really work at all: if you have a single sentence to explain an idea, you don't use an obscure synonym and immediately gloss it; you just use the simpler, better known term in the first place. It's also redundant to explain that he believed in reincarnation and that he told people about his past lives: the latter subsumes the former:
  • ALT3: ... that the Greek philosopher Pythagoras believed in reincarnation?
  • ALT4: ... that the Greek philosopher Pythagoras claimed he could remember four of his past lives in detail?
 — LlywelynII 10:18, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
@LlywelynII: I would be fine with ALT2, but I do not especially care for ALT3 or ALT4; I think both of them are far too bland and I doubt either of them will attract very many viewers. --Katolophyromai (talk) 00:46, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 3[edit]

Saudi Arabia and weapons of mass destruction

Created/expanded by Ali Ahwazi (talk). Self-nominated at 12:22, 3 February 2018 (UTC).

  •  :REVIEW COMPLETED - The following review was completed by Saff V.
Green tickY Article created by Ali Ahwazi on 3 February 2017 and has 5625 characters (904 words) "readable prose size"
Green tickY Artile has acceptable English
Green tickY Hook is a interesting fact.
Green tickY ALT1 is sourced
NoN There is one citation need Tag at the article, after this sentence: In fact, it is regarded as a Chinese liquid-fueled, single-stage, nuclear medium-range ballistic missile. Saudi Arabia bought several dozen (between 36 and 60) of this kind of missile from China in 1988. For the first time, Riyadh showed them in 2014
Green tickY @ Toolserver Copyvio Detector found any copyvio
At first the NPOV Tag at the article must be removed. Saff V. (talk) 10:58, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
What part is copyvio?--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 23:54, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
I was wrong. According to this link, there is any copyvio problem.Saff V. (talk) 09:22, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
In regards to “There is one citation need Tag at the article”: I added relevant reference(s), and actually solved the problem. Meanwhile, regarding NPOV tag, I added some more related (neutral) paragraphs to make it more balanced/neutral, then the tag removed. Ali Ahwazi (talk) 09:27, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg There is no way that this article can feature on the front page, certainly not in the current state and with the current hook. The whole hook is based on an allegation by "Secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council (SNSC) Ali Shamkhani", that is to say it is neither neutral nor verified (moreover, the one source for this is an Iranian propaganda outlet, which is probably not a reliable source under any definition); moreover, the article grossly misrepresents that flimsy allegation as: "Meanwhile, according to a report by the human rights watch, Saudi Arabia has used a kind of poisonous gas in four airstrikes on diverse parts of the province of Sa'ada in Yemen" [sic] (in the proposed hook, it gets even more egregious, as an unspecified "the human rights watch" Shamkhani claims to quote becomes the prestigious Human Rights Watch). As can be seen from even this sample, text, the article is overall ungrammatical -- more examples: "Nevertheless, Saudi Arabia has a foundation for building nuclear programs that based on the observations, as a probability can be led in building nuclear weapons in the future, and even according to reports, it has a kind of deal with Pakistan about the project of nuclear weapons, and also there seems to be the utilization of chemical and biological weapons in the wars by Saudi Arabia" (this is in the lead). Or: "Saudi Arabia, officially is considered as a non-nuclear-weapon state party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, and also it has an agreement with International Atomic Energy Agency. Of course the notable point is that Saudi Arabia has been accused of following nuclear weapon and chemical weapons, despite being a follower of IAEA, NPT and OPCW." Also note how the above is voiced in essay-like manner ("of course the notable point" -- please do not coach the readers as to what is "of course" and a "notable point").
This article and hook seem to me like they promote a stand in the current propaganda war between the Iranians and the Saudis. Please take it elsewhere, not on wikipedia. Dahn (talk) 09:23, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
@Ali Ahwazi: thanks for your edit to remove the problem that I nominated. @Dahn: although I agree with you to suggest another hook(s) and this article include some wp:NPOV violation, the current hook is based on the confirmed reports from human rights.Any way I recommend by WP:BITE that another user except creator examine the article and try to remove or improve sentences that has NPOV violation. SO the best way is requesting the wp:GOCE. Regards!Saff V. (talk) 10:40, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
  • No, sorry, it is not based on any confirmed report, it is based on a political statement by the minister of a dictatorial country, cited exclusively through the press releases of that country, and with the false claim suggesting that Human Rights Watch validates this; the source also cites an official of the Houthis (i. e. on the Iranian side of a raging conflict) claiming that there is a report on this. I have no intention, and am under no requirement, of sifting through the article, as it is way too much of a task and of way too little interest to me -- the violations of several cornerstone wikipedia policies and the awful grammar (not to mention a myriad other things, such as "main article" links to irrelevant articles such as Toxic) are enough to fail this article in its current state, and this is the process as far as it concerns me. Fix the problems yourselves, if you really are invested in this topic, then resubmit. Dahn (talk) 11:03, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Let me call attention to the fact that you reviewed the article and found no problem with it except an uncited statement, which raises question about your own familiarity with the basic rules of DYK. You indicate now that you do see NPOV and grammar issues, yet you had ticked both as "acceptable" in your review. (Incidentally, there is no "acceptable" level per the criteria defined under DYK rules. You don't let articles "slide" with errors just because they're "acceptable".) Dahn (talk) 11:07, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
Please don't make relation between issues! I ticked acceptable in English, because when I read the article, I found the meaning! But at that time I pointed to remove the NPOV tag. Also I thought that this violation can be removed by copy edit. That was just a suggestion.Saff V. (talk) 12:27, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
To the point: these are the DYK rules, minimal set. As we stand, in that minimal set the article fails on at least three grounds, defined under points 3 and 4: the claim in the hook (like much of the article) is neither properly sourced to reliable sources, nor properly attributed -- for instance, beyond citing the allegations on the Iranian side, the article cannot seem to produce the report by "the human rights watch", whatever watch that may be. By consequence, the hook also violates the requirement that hooks should be about a "definite fact" -- what we have is a vague allegation, by an involved party, presenting itself as fact, which is the worst thing you can have in a hook. NPOV is the third policy it blatantly ignores. On top of this, we have grammar and vocabulary issues, both of which would need to be reduced to something legible and coherent before this article is even considered. Dahn (talk) 12:41, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
I am convinced that when the article posted in main page of wikepedia, it must have the best quality. I n other hand the nominator of this DYK is newcomers. As well as he has tried to remove some grammatical problems of the artice during these days. Please do not bite the newcomers. I wanna to give him chance for removing NPOV violations.Saff V. (talk) 08:51, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
When you passed the article claiming it was readable, you made it unlikely that anyone would correct it: as a rule, one would not have checked it again for that criterion, and you would have had this article passed as is. So when you passed it by claiming to have verified grammar, you derailed the whole verification process. I only came here and gave it another look because what caught my eye is that: a) the claim present in the hook is highly contentious and very unlikely, so I went and verified it; b) the editor claiming to have verified for readability and grammar uses bad English in his very review. Please understand that my comments here are not meant to put anyone down, but to point out what we should be about here: quality, reliable, content; if there are serious problems with the contribution, the solution is to improve on that contribution, not to feel offended that I point them out.
As for the "improvements" that have supposedly occurred since: they are themselves ungrammatical and awash with weasel words. The claim about what HRW supposedly says is again cited through questionable secondary sources (you really can't find a report on this published by HRW??), and it is no longer about chemical weapons, but about KSA having supposedly used cluster bombs -- last I checked, cluster bombs were not chemical weapons, or any kind of WMD, and so the very mention of that factoid in that article is an instance of WP:COAT. Moreover, this of course invalidates both hooks, and shows what level of research went into writing them; it also shows that Iranian and Yemeni sources are prone to lying when they claim that HRW has ever said KSA used chemical weapons. I note new allegations regarding chemical weapons, and pushed in the article, are similar fluff cited exclusively from Iran's propaganda outlets. So no, no improvement there, just an attempt to game the system. Dahn (talk) 16:43, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Firstly, I appreciate @User: Saff V. that guides me (who am relatively a new user, particularly in such parts)​. Secondly, recently I’ve done some editions to modify the article, although it might be insufficient; Meanwhile, I’ll do more modification in order to remove its problems as much as possible. Besides, I will present more related hooks in near future. Ali Ahwazi (talk) 10:46, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 4[edit]

Pulpit Freedom Sunday

  • ... that Pulpit Freedom Sunday is an act of civil disobedience pitting pastors against the Internal Revenue Service? Source: "The Pulpit Freedom Campaign has amassed the pastors to cooperate in a mass violation of a 1954 law" [25]

Created by Lionelt (talk). Self-nominated at 08:14, 6 February 2018 (UTC).

  • DYK checklist template
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg All criteria are met for DYK usage. Congratulations!Georgejdorner (talk) 19:09, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have pulled this from prep 4 mainly because the last reference to refer to this day is from 2014 so it isn't clear this day of protest is still extant. Also, one of the sources states that pastors talk about which candidate's policies are more biblical, which isn't quite the same thing as endorsing a given candidate. So I think this nomination needs more work. Gatoclass (talk) 15:03, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @Gatoclass: 1) Last year the annual event took place on 10/2/17 [26]. 2) What difference does it make if ONE source comments about biblical policies? Does this specifically fall under the DYK criteria or is this best handled by editors during the normal course of editing? – Lionel(talk) 23:01, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Lionel, I'm trying to ensure your nomination doesn't get yanked from the main page after five minutes, okay? Regarding the source you mention, that looks fine, but it isn't in the article. Gatoclass (talk) 11:32, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Understood @Gatoclass: thanks :-) I found a better ref and added New York Magazine dated 11/2/17 which states that the event is current. See ref #4. – Lionel(talk) 12:52, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 5[edit]

Rodriguinho Marinho

Rodriguinho in 2015
Rodriguinho in 2015

Created/expanded by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 08:30, 11 February 2018 (UTC).


Dice players in a wall painting from Pompeii
Dice players in a wall painting from Pompeii
  • ... that some of the customs associated with the ancient Roman holiday of Saturnalia may have influenced medieval Christmas traditions, such as the exchanging of gifts, lighting of Advent candles, and the election of a "Lord of Misrule"? Source: "As a result of the close proximity of dates, many Christians in western Europe continued to celebrate traditional Saturnalia customs in association with Christmas and the surrounding holidays.[98][100][12] Like Saturnalia, Christmas during the Middle Ages was a time of ruckus, drinking, gambling, and overeating.[12] The tradition of the Saturnalicius princeps was particularly influential... During the late medieval period and early Renaissance, many towns in England elected a "Lord of Misrule" at Christmas time to preside over the Feast of Fools.[100][12]... The custom of gift-giving at Christmas time resembles the Roman tradition of giving sigillaria[105] and the lighting of Advent candles resembles the Roman tradition of lighting torches and wax tapers.[105][100]"
    • ALT1:... that, during the ancient Roman holiday of Saturnalia, masters would serve meals to their slaves? Source: "Saturnalia was characterized by role reversals and behavioral license.[5] Slaves were treated to a banquet of the kind usually enjoyed by their masters.[5] Ancient sources differ on the circumstances: some suggest that master and slave dined together,[42] while others indicate that the slaves feasted first, or that the masters actually served the food. The practice might have varied over time.[7]
  • Comment: I was the one who actually brought it up to GA status, but Cynwolfe did most of the actual work on the article back in 2012, so I thought I would give her credit for it, since she clearly is the one most responsible for the current state of the article. I saw that Crumpled Fire had nominated the article for GA back in 2014, but did not respond to the review, so Chiswick Chap was forced to fail it, but he left a note saying that he would come back and review it if anyone else wanted to take up the task, so, two days ago (three years after it was initially nominated), I nominated it again and he came back to review it. I wrote almost the entire "Influence" section, most of the lead, added some images, reorganized the article, formatting the references, and made some other significant changes, but most of the content in the body of the article dates back to Cynwolfe's revisions. --Katolophyromai (talk) 21:30, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Improved to Good Article status by Cynwolfe (talk) and Katolophyromai (talk). Nominated by Katolophyromai (talk) at 21:30, 5 February 2018 (UTC).

  • COMMENT: The submitted image does not have any connection to either of the proposed hooks. David notMD (talk) 18:49, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

General eligiblity:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - n
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - n

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol delete vote.svg Was featured in a DYK entry before, but not as the qualifying article, so no problem there. It is a great article of high quality, and the hooks are interesting. However, you have not properly formatted the hooks. you should include direct links to the sources instead of just the citation numbers. Secondly, source no. 98 is quasi-scholarly and probably redundant: the other two reliable sources seem to suffice. (Source no. 105 is a popular source, but apparently has received some scholarly recognition so is okay.) Thirdly, the main hook, though great click-bait, is too long (231 characters). Considering cutting out a few examples at the end. Lastly, the picture used, though from the article and relevant, is not related to the content of the hook, as pointed out by David notMD above.

  • QPQ is not required, because nominator has not proposed more than five articles for hooks yet.
  • Apart from these minor problems, there is one problem that may be harder to overcome: the article has appeared on On this day before, in 2013 and again in 2017, and is therefore not eligible. I am afraid this rule has no exceptions, but if anyone can correct me on that, please do. Farang Rak Tham (talk) 01:31, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
@Farang Rak Tham: I see. I apologize; I did not know the article was ineligible. I have also nominated the articles Pythagoras, Jonah, Anunnaki, and Satan for DYK, if you would rather review one of those instead, since I am assuming those are probably still eligible. --Katolophyromai (talk) 01:52, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Okay, no problem. I also got five DYKs left. So maybe we can help each other. Please note, though, that someone has already started to assess Jonah.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 02:06, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 6[edit]

Marcel Cordes

Marcel Cordes, c. 1960
Marcel Cordes, c. 1960
  • ... that Marcel Cordes (pictured), a German baritone known for Italian opera, appeared as the King in the first recording of Carl Orff's Die Kluge? Source: [27] and others
  • Reviewed: to come Wallachian uprising (1821)
  • Comment: The King is the leading male character, and the recording likely the first ever of that opera, but I couldn't find a source for that yet. The other singers are legendary, but who from a younger generation would still know them? Carl Orff speaks the introduction.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:26, 13 February 2018 (UTC).

Forget the comment: I found a ref that it was the first recording, and tweaked the hook accordingly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:51, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Chandra Khonnokyoong

Cremation of the nun Chandra Khonnokyoong. The peacock-shaped vehicle carries her remains.
Cremation of the nun Chandra Khonnokyoong. The peacock-shaped vehicle carries her remains.
  • ... that an illiterate Thai nun became a highly revered spiritual leader in her community, to the extent that hundred thousands of monks came to her funeral?Source: "On the day of her funeral, February 3, 2002, attendance at the temple purportedly surpassed 250,000. ... The reverence paid to Khun Yay during her lifetime and after her death by the Dhammakāya community is striking given the general cultural prejudices against female renunciants in contemporary Thailand." (Scott, 2010, p.507) Source:"It is well known that Khun Yai Chan was illiterate." (Mackenzie, 2007, p.38)
    • ALT1:... that Chandra Khonnokyoong, a Thai Buddhist nun, wanted to learn to meditate to find her father in the afterlife? Source: "She was particularly concerned about an incident where her father ... cursed his children with deafness for the next 500 births. Chan thus wanted to meet again with him and offer her apologies for making him angry. At the age of 26, Chan went to Bangkok after hearing 'Luang Phaw Sot had rediscovered the Wisdom of Dhammakaya that included the knowledge of heaven and hell.'" (Mackenzie, 2007, p.34)Source: " Her father died before Khun Yay could formally ask for forgiveness; as a result, she worried about the power of her father’s curse to affect her present and future lives. ... It was this motivation that led Khun Yay to practice dhammakāya meditation in 1927." (Scott, 2009, pp.71–72)

Improved to Good Article status by Farang Rak Tham (talk) and Thanissaro (talk). Nominated by Farang Rak Tham (talk) at 12:17, 6 February 2018 (UTC).

Transforming Infrastructure Performance

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 10:32, 6 February 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 7[edit]

Scherzo (Stravinsky)

Stravinsky, c. 1905
Stravinsky, c. 1905
  • ... that Scherzo was composed for piano by Igor Stravinsky (pictured) in 1902, but was published first in 1970? Source: several

Created by Ron Oliver (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 20:18, 13 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg. Symbol question.svg The article is new (created on 7 February). It is long enough and neutral. Hook is also neutral and interesting. My concerns are the following. (1) I cannot decide whether the sources cited can be regarded as reliable sources for WP purposes. One of them is a webshop ([28]); an other seems to be a platform for announcments for newly released music ([29]); and the status of the third one is unclear ([30]). (2) The expression "a twenty-year-old law student at St. Petersburg University" is a verbatim quote from one of the cited texts ([31]). (3) Hook fact is accurate and cited with an inline citation in the article. The copyright status of the picture in the USA is unclear. Borsoka (talk) 05:54, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you, both. The other images are lovely, but he is way too old on them for this youthful piece. Rather do without image, but write some articles around the others ;) - I rephrased the sentence, dropping the 20 years altogether. Not so unusual that a student is around 20. - I used AllMusic even in GAs without problems, and Naxos liner notes are usually solid. Perhaps Ron can say some more about it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Note: I have re-written parts of this article as it contained several serious errors and omissions. I have also re-referenced it from scholarly sources. Neither the AllMusic nor the Boosey & Hawkes pages supported the assertions in the paragraph to which they were appended and I have removed them. AllMusic is not an ideal source, in any case. Boosey & Hawkes can be OK when they have actually published the score instead of simply selling it as in the case of Scherzo. See for example, this entry for Turnage's opera Coraline. The Naxos liner notes are an acceptable source as they written by experienced music writers. Just to be on the safe side, I have added further scholarly sources for the bit about the law school and the date of composition. One of the most glaring errors was the date of first publication. The score was first published in Russia in 1970. I have added a scholarly source for this and changed the date in the hook. Like the later Faber publication, it was a facsimile of the holograph. Borsoka, perhaps you could take a look at the new version and see if it's OK now. If you need any quotes from the subscription-only source, just ping me. Voceditenore (talk) 12:19, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt and Voceditenore, thank you for your edits. My most concerns were adressed. I still think that either the copyright status of the picture in the USA should be clarified or the picture should be deleted. Borsoka (talk) 14:45, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Infrastructure Cost Review

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 12:10, 7 February 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 8[edit]

Stanley Gelbier

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Whispyhistory (talk) at 22:33, 13 February 2018 (UTC).

Charles LiMandri

  • ... that former Miss California Carrie Prejean was represented by attorney Charles LiMandri during her legal wranglings with the Miss California USA Pageant? Source: Prejean's lawyer, Charles LiMandri[32]

Created by Lionelt (talk). Self-nominated at 09:06, 13 February 2018 (UTC).

The Infinity Gauntlet

5x expanded by Argento Surfer (talk). Self-nominated at 18:34, 9 February 2018 (UTC).

Symbol possible vote.svg Apart from the lack of a QPQ, DYKcheck reckons that not enough has been done. Here is its report. Andrew D. (talk) 18:42, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Prose size (text only): 32228 characters (5370 words) "readable prose size"
  • Article created by on March 9, 2004
  • Assuming article is at 5x now, expansion began 81 edits ago on October 7, 2015
  • Article has not been created or expanded 5x or promoted to Good Article within the past 10 days (855 days)
@Andrew Davidson: I've expanded the lead, but I'm not able to use the DYKcheck tool. Could you please specify exactly how much more work is needed? I was using Word to compare, and I'm seeing a comparison of 5,799 words/35,389 characters in its current state to 1,098 words/6,695 characters on February 7. Argento Surfer (talk) 18:57, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
  • DYKcheck still isn't satisfied but when I run it for the 2 Feb version, it gives a size of 5698 which is less than 20% of the current size that it reports -- 32,960. So, let's assume that's ok for now. As a QPQ has been done now, I'll start a more detailed review. Andrew D. (talk) 14:13, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
@Argento Surfer: Sorry to keep you; it's on my list but I've not gotten to it yet. What I did do was pick up a copy in Forbidden Planet the other day. I'm familiar with the story from other works but hadn't read through the original mini-series yet. More soon. Andrew D. (talk) 16:00, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Cool. Just wanted to make sure it was still on your radar. I'm sure you'll enjoy the book! Argento Surfer (talk) 16:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Sainte-Anne Hospital Center

Sainte-Anne hospital in a 1672 site plan
Sainte-Anne hospital in a 1672 site plan
  • ... that Sainte-Anne Hospital Center, which in the 17th century was a farm worked by insane patients, is today a modern hospital in Paris specializing in psychiatry, neurology, neurosurgery, neuroimaging, and addiction?

Created by Robert K S (talk). Self-nominated at 07:26, 8 February 2018 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Substantial article, but would need many more inline citations. The rule of thumb says one inline citation per paragraph. I also wonder about the name, which is a mixture of French and English. We should not invent names, - is there an English source for this name? If not, perhaps better stick with the French. Should Centre be capital? - I like the original hook much better, referring to the unique history. I delinked Paris, - current capitals and countries are typically not linked. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:17, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
There is no official English rendering of the name of this hospital. In most of the English-language literature it is referred to as "Sainte-Anne Hospital" but that is with reference to the institution as it existed in the 1950s, e.g., before it took on its modern name including the word "Center". In the French version of the name, Centre would not be capitalized unless at the start of a sentence (similar to rue, which is always rendered capitalized in English but never in French). To switch from "Sainte-Anne" to "Saint Anne" or "St. Anne" would I believe be one step too far as it would corrupt the proper-noun portion of the name of the institution. Given all of the above I believe that "Sainte-Anne Hospital Center" should be the preferred way to refer to the present-day incarnation of the institution in English. (Google shows many usages of this rendering of the name. [33]) Robert K S (talk) 19:32, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Taken, now refs please ;) - The image is licensed but doesn't show too well in that size. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 9[edit]

Museum of Geometric and MADI Art

Museum of Geometric and MADI Art
Museum of Geometric and MADI Art

Moved to mainspace by Michael Barera (talk). Self-nominated at 04:49, 9 February 2018 (UTC).

Image eligibility:

Museum of Geometric and MADI Art February 2018 1.jpg

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol voting keep.svg Good to go, though I'd prefer the alternate image Muhandes (talk) 11:45, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, Muhandes! I'm gladly substituting in your preferred image for the hook. Michael Barera (talk) 02:39, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

EastEnders in Paris

Moved to mainspace by Kelvin 101 (talk). Nominated by Soaper1234 (talk) at 22:39, 13 February 2018 (UTC).

Devante Mays

Devante Mays
Devante Mays

5x expanded by Church (talk). Self-nominated at 17:57, 14 February 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 10[edit]

Ian Stephens (editor)

  • ... that British newspaper editor Ian Stephens may have saved "hundreds of thousands" of lives during the Bengal famine of 1943 by publishing photographs of the victims? Source: Sen, Amartya (27 April 1984). "Mr Ian Stephens". The Times: "In the subcontinent in which Ian Stephens spent a substantial part of his life, he is remembered not only as a great editor (with amiable, if somewhat eccentric, manners), but also as someone whose hard-fought campaign possible [sic] saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of people."
  • Reviewed: Not yet done

Created by SlimVirgin (talk). Self-nominated at 03:57, 17 February 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: Red XN - Not done
Overall: Symbol question.svg Excellently written article about responsible and independent journalism. Article may have a minor neutrality issue, for example it does not describe any negative responses from the British, focusing instead on the praise Stephens received. Secondly, next time please add the source above yourself. Thirdly, don't forget to do a review (QPQ). Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:25, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Farang, there's a problem here. First you rejected the nomination on the grounds that it had previously been nominated for FA status, [35] then after I explained that you'd confused it for the other article linked in the entry, [36] you removed your post rather than striking it, [37] leaving my reply as a reply to nothing. Now you say that the article isn't neutral because it doesn't contain negative reaction to Stephens' publication, even though there wasn't any that I'm aware of. And you added the wrong source above. SarahSV (talk) 17:19, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Sorry about yesterday. With regard to the wiki article, are you sure there were no negative responses? Stephens was more or less going against British policy. Above I had added one of the two sources you cited in the article, but today have removed. I cannot access the Times article, because I have no newspaper clippings subscription. I understand the Times article contains the original quote, so please write a note above in the hook to that effect. There must be a source mentioned in the hook (and preferably a quote from the source).--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 18:21, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
Okay, I'll add something above from The Times, but the lead contains the quote, so I didn't think it was necessary. Re: neutrality, I'm not aware of anything negative in secondary sources. He was widely hailed as a hero, and the British were finally forced to act. Whether they grumbled about him in private, I don't know. He has written a book with a couple of chapters about what happened, but it's hard to access. I do intend to develop the article eventually, but I thought this would be enough for a start article at DYK. SarahSV (talk) 18:27, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
I tried to search for some information about Stephens, but could not find much detail. Anyway, I understand that there is not much of an issue of neutrality, just a matter of an article which is still in process. Above I have included the source, which i take on good faith. I cannot access it, but have seen it quoted in The Telegraph. So once you have done the QPQ i can pass the hook on good faith.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 19:09, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Peter D'Aguiar

Created by Uglemat (talk). Self-nominated at 23:49, 13 February 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 11[edit]

La Pacana

Improved to Good Article status by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 17:40, 12 February 2018 (UTC).

Gavin Lowe (computer scientist)

  1. ^ Lowe, Gavin (1994). Probabilities and priorities in timed CSP (DPhil). University of Oxford. 
  2. ^ "Ex-Staff - University of Leicester". University of Leicester. Retrieved 10 February 2018. 
  3. ^ "Gavin Lowe". Department of Computer Science, University of Oxford. Retrieved 10 February 2018. 

Created by Bellezzasolo (talk). Self-nominated at 12:24, 11 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svgArticle is new enough and long enough. Regrettably this academic does not meet the notability standard of Wikipedia WP:PROF. I taged the article for notability however IMHO this is a candidate for CSD under A7.– Lionel(talk) 03:32, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
  • [38] - cited by 1865. I think the top result alone is enough for notability. Then, 883, 788, 688, 304... Bellezzasolo Discuss 04:22, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 13[edit]

Camilla Nylund

Camilla Nylund in 2008
Camilla Nylund in 2008
  • Reviewed: to come Van Veghten House
  • Comment: on vacation, need to polish the article, I know, - mentioning the stage director also is intentional, for women's month

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 06:25, 20 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Starting review. Note: stub rating should be changed to start on the talk page. Thanks, Zeete (talk) 16:48, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg QPQ and Bare URLs need to be completed when you get back from vacation. Thanks, Zeete (talk) 17:00, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Expanded 5x, per DYK check: 250 on 2/13, 2045 on 2/20, sourced (but needs bare URLs completed), neutral BLP, Earwig reports no problems, hook interesting and cited, but in German (could be noted in the citation), translation looks good, picture has OTRS, should be okay, QPQ needs to be done. Zeete (talk) 17:48, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Suggest changing hook to "and set in Occupied France" to avoid confusion about time and place. Could wikilink Occupied France in the article, improve hook/article agreement. Thanks, Zeete (talk) 17:48, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Reviewed now, will look at other points.
ALT1: ... that Camilla Nylund (pictured) appeared as the Countess in Capriccio by Richard Strauss at the Frankfurt Opera, staged by Brigitte Fassbaender, who set the opera in Occupied France?
Strauss set in a past, but the stage director decided on the time of the composition (with a premiere during WWII, Munich without streetlights ...). She just received an award for her life's work. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Blackstone Legal Fellowship

  • ... that U. S. Court of Appeals Judge Amy Coney Barrett taught constitutional law at Blackstone Legal Fellowship.? Source: "Barrett... taught constitutional law to students accepted for ADF’s summertime Blackstone Legal Fellowship"[40]. " the Senate voted 55-43 to confirm Catholic nominee Amy Coney Barrett to the U.S. Court of Appeals"[41].

Created by Lionelt (talk). Self-nominated at 04:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC).

Luo Haocai

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 00:46, 19 February 2018 (UTC).

Steve Flack

5x expanded by Kosack (talk). Self-nominated at 13:27, 16 February 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 14[edit]

Ach wie flüchtig, ach wie nichtig

Michael Franck
Michael Franck
  • Reviewed: to come

Converted from a redirect by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 07:11, 21 February 2018 (UTC).

Embassy of Portugal, Bangkok

Portuguese ambassador's residence, Bangkok
Portuguese ambassador's residence, Bangkok
  • ... that the offices of the Portuguese Embassy in Bangkok are located in an old warehouse? Source: [42] (in Thai, but also supported by this one: "Originally a warehouse, the wooden building was converted into embassy offices back in 2006."[43])
  • Reviewed: Almasbek Akmatov
  • Comment: Image for ALT1 only. If you spotted the discrepancy in the warehouse's date of renovation, that's because I chose to follow the date given at [45] as likely more reliable.

Created by Paul_012 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:40, 16 February 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 15[edit]

Richard Menschel, Robert Menschel

Created by Zigzig20s (talk). Self-nominated at 18:43, 17 February 2018 (UTC).

Lion Forge Comics

Created by CNMall41 (talk) and Argento Surfer (talk). Nominated by Argento Surfer (talk) at 15:28, 16 February 2018 (UTC).

Romulea tortuosa

Romulea tortuosa subsp. aurea, photographed at Avontuur Estate, north-west of Nieuwoudtville
Romulea tortuosa subsp. aurea, photographed at Avontuur Estate, north-west of Nieuwoudtville
  • ... that the leaves of the shrub Romulea tortuosa (pictured) are shaped like corkscrews? Source: TBA

5x expanded by Dwergenpaartje (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 13:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Page size and 5x expansion checked. QPQ done. Interesting hook, properly sourced. I'm taking on good faith that the technical terms of the hook source translate to the more non-technical "coiled like corkscrews" wording of the article. Earwig found no copyvio. Image looks usable at DYK size and is properly licensed. However, there are still two fixable issues: (1) because the lead paragraph makes claims that are not summarized in the rest of the article (the family membership, location, flower blotches, etc.) it needs a source, and (2) DYK rules require that the sentence of the article containing the hook claim have its own footnote, even if that would duplicate the next footnote. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:59, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
@Casliber:@David Eppstein:The hook contains a small mistake: it is not a shrub; one could call it a bulb although technically the organ is not a bulb but a corm; although less limiting, geophyte would do.
  • "Romulea tortuosa is readily recognized by its several twisted leaves which are channelled to the tips [...]"[1]
  • "Small plants rarely >5cm tall, with several twisted leaves and a corm with a very wide fan-shaped ridge at their base. The yellow flowers are about 20 mm in diameter and usually have dark brown markings in the center [...] It flowers in winter and early spring and is often locally abundant in moist sites in Apronveld and Arid Renosterveld in the western Klein Karoo and occurs westwards to Worcester and northwards to the Kamisberg Mountains."[2] Dwergenpaartje (talk) 10:01, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
  1. ^ Manning, J.C.; Goldblatt, P. (2001). "A synoptic review of Romulea (Iridaceae: Crocoideae) in sub-Saharan Africa, the Arabian Peninsula and Socotra including new species, biological notes, and a new infrageneric classification" (PDF). Adansonia. 3. 23 (1): 88. 
  2. ^ Vlok, Jan; Schutte-Vlok, Anne Lise (2015). Plants of the Klein Karoo (2 ed.). Hatfield, South Africa: Umdaus Press. p. 116. 

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on February 16[edit]

Female urinal

Female urinals
Female urinals
  • ... that female urinals enable women to hygienically pee in a standing position in public restrooms.

Created by Lamilli (talk). Self-nominated at 01:51, 23 February 2018 (UTC).

Disappearance of Gary Mathias

  • ... that one of the four men who disappeared along with Gary Mathias 40 years ago today was later found in a trailer where he had starved to death despite an abundant food supply? Source:The Washington Post; July 6, 1978; "5 'Boys' Who Never Came Back "More than a dozen C-ration cans from an outside storage shed had been opened and emptied - one had been opened with an Army P38 can opener, which only Madruga and Mathias who had served in the Army, probably knew how to use - but no one had opened a locker in the same shed containing enough dehydrated Mexican dinners and fruit cocktails and assorted other meals to keep all five alive for a year."
    • ALT1:... that 40 years ago today, Gary Mathias and four other men inexplicably abandoned a working automobile to walk down a dirt road high in California's Plumas National Forest, without winter clothing or food? Source: Same article as above hook "The car was 70 miles from Chico, on a deserted and rut-ravaged mountain road. It had stopped at the snow line, and although its tires had apparently spun, the car was not really stuck; five men easily could have pushed it free. The gas tank was a quarter full. Four maps, including one of California, lay neatly folded in the glove compartment. The keys were gone, but when police hot-wired the car the engine started immediately"

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self-nominated at 19:07, 21 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Okay, so this is new enough, long enough, doesn't contain any obvious copyright violations. The fair use rationale on the image is a little cloudy over its author etc, but its extremely poor quality and unlikely to set any FUR alarm bells ringing. The hooks, well clearly for me the first hook is more engaging but it's not directly about the article, which is the called the "disappearance of Gary Mathias", its focus is on another individual entirely. The second hook is better in that regard, although the use of "inexplicably abandoned" is a bit wide of the mark for me, and not 100% aligned with the source which just says that in the opinion of one person they could have recovered the vehicle. I suggest just removing "inexplicably" (because also, they're all dead or missing so "inexplicable" is somewhat innate), but I would also enhance that hook to reflect the result of these individuals' decisions, because right now that hook is a bit meh. At the very least it needs to cover the idea that Mathias is missing, as that's the target article's subject matter. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:43, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • "... that 40 years ago today, Gary Mathias disappeared after abandoning a working automobile to walk into California's Plumas National Forest without winter clothing or food, along with four other men who were all found dead?" could be a starting suggestion so it focuses on the article subject, and contains the pertinent points of the event in the hook? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:02, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The QPQ was inadequate, including approving a problematic hook; this needs to be addressed before the nomination here can be approved. Also, ALT1 at 203 characters is too long and has been struck; The Rambling Man's starting suggestion above would need to be trimmed, as it's currently 219 characters. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I think once we get to a handful of characters, we need to re-assess what's really important here. Plus, I hadn't finished the review, the QPQ analysis is still outstanding, please step back and allow me to do what I offered to do, or else do it yourself. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:32, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Please do proceed; I thought you had finished the review, and as I had previously posted to the other template before you started the review here, I thought I should mention the issues found there. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:39, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks very much. Let's get the hook and the basics right, then worry about the peripheral nonsense mandated by the arcane DYK process. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:42, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

All India Services Act, 1951

  • Comment: This is my first DYK nomination, hence, any and all critique would be welcome.

Created by SshibumXZ (talk). Self-nominated at 00:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC).

  • @Gfosankar: oh, ok. How can I improve the article? I can make the body of the article to be more than 1,500 characters long, excluding the copied history section. Is there anything else which can be done?
    Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 15:01, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
  • COMMENT: The ALTs also have to include All India Services Act, 1951 If you cannot make those relate, strike out with like this. You can paraphrase the history content rather than remove it entirely. If you want to submit an image with your DYK then need to include (pictured) in the DYK. David notMD (talk) 19:22, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @David notMD: will do that, then. Also, I have striked out Alts 1-3 and have changed the image.
  • I inserted "(pictured)" Be aware that the DYK may be approved, but when advanced to the Prep/Queue stage, an Administrator may decide to not use the photo, as it does not directly pertain to the DYK article. I am sure that someone will start the review process soon. I feel that I am not qualified as I know very little about India. David notMD (talk) 16:47, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @David notMD: no worries. I'm eagerly waiting for an admin to review this one, though.
    Regards, SshibumXZ (Talk) (Contributions). 19:19, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 17[edit]

Diogenes pugilator, Paguristes eremita, Pagurus forbesii

Diogenes pugilator
Diogenes pugilator

Created/expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 10:29, 22 February 2018 (UTC).

Emma Jane Gay

  • ... that Emma Jane Gay, known for her photographs of the Nez Perce people, is identified as the first American lesbian photographer?
    • ALT1:... that Emma Jane Gay is identified by art historians as the first American lesbian photographer?

Created by RachelWex (talk). Nominated by Paul2520 (talk) at 02:42, 21 February 2018 (UTC).

Minol Araki

  • ... that Chinese-born Japanese artist Minol Araki did not save old paintings, preferring to save antique painting instruments, including brushes, ink, inkstones, and paper?[1]
    • ALT1:... that Minol Araki is best known for his paintings in the Nihonga style, and for a series of five paintings over 70 feet long that were inspired by his mentor Zhang Daqian's work? [46]
  1. ^ Claudia Brown (1999). Minol Araki: Nature in Ink. Phoenix Art Museum. pp. 12–15. ISBN 0-91-040736-3. 

Created by Paul2520 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:15, 18 February 2018 (UTC).

Gerberding Hall

Created by Chetsford (talk). Self-nominated at 00:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Drive-by comment: I think you can do more with this hook. It's not clear where Gerberding Hall is. And it's interesting that Neptune represents the oceanography and fisheries sciences. Yoninah (talk) 00:48, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Barney Prine

Source: Article in Oregon Daily Journal published on 19 June 1919 said: "Barney Prine was a member of our regiment—the First Oregon Infantry. … He was the best footracer in our regiment. He won a lot of money showing his heels to other chaps who thought they could run." (subscription required)

Created by Orygun (talk). Self-nominated at 01:52, 17 February 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 18[edit]

Sulphur Mountain Formation

5x expanded by Georgialh (talk). Self-nominated at 18:55, 20 February 2018 (UTC).

Ali Soozandeh

Created by Coretheapple (talk). Self-nominated at 14:51, 19 February 2018 (UTC).

Purico complex

View on the ALMA array on the Purico volcano; cone in the background is Licancabur
View on the ALMA array on the Purico volcano; cone in the background is Licancabur

Improved to Good Article status by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 20:58, 18 February 2018 (UTC).

Dhammakaya Movement

Visualization meditation by the Dhammakaya Movement
Visualization meditation by the Dhammakaya Movement
  • ... that the origins of Dhammakaya meditation, as taught in the Dhammakaya Movement, are disputed by scholars? Source: "While these commonalties may be demonstrated, the cross-fertilisation theory between Dhammakaya meditation and Tibetan Buddhism suggested by Bowers has not been proved. ... Some Dhammakaya borrowing from the Yogavacara tradition appears probable. There is, however, not yet sufficient evidence to prove that Dhammakaya meditation is 'derived from the Yogavacara tradition' ... It is quite possible that Luang Phaw Sot developed his approach to meditation as a result of his psychic experiences and refined it through practice." (Mackenzie 2007, p. 113); Source: "The only possible explanation for this, Bowers suggests, must be a direct personal influence on Sot in the years before he presented his 'rediscovery' to the world: ... Mackenzie is more cautious, describing such a scenario as 'just within the realms of possibility.' Yet as I have shown above there is already a considerably body of (albeit in part somewhat inaccessible) literature describing Theravada practices sharing just such concepts as 'mantras, mandalas, bodily centers etc.' There is no doubt that dhammakaya meditation is based upon the broader yogavacara tradition in its content." (Newell 2008, p. 256)
    • ALT1:... that the Dhammakaya Movement teaches that Nirvana exists as a literal reality within each individual? Source: "Thammakaay insists that this spiritual body exists as a literal reality, in other words, a personalized and concrete form of true wisdom." (Fuengfusakul 1993, p.173); Source: "The spiritual essence of the Buddha and nibbana exists as a literal reality within the human body." (Mackenzie 2007, p.31)
  • Reviewed: Ian Stephens (editor)
  • Comment: Sources above can all be accessed, though for the JSTOR source a free account must be opened.

Improved to Good Article status by Farang Rak Tham (talk) and Wikiman5676 (talk). Nominated by Farang Rak Tham (talk) at 12:59, 18 February 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 19[edit]

Romulea monadelpha

monkey beetle on Romulea monadelpha
monkey beetle on Romulea monadelpha

Created by Dwergenpaartje (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 23:25, 22 February 2018 (UTC).

  • I'll do this one. Umimmak (talk) 23:56, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Robin Surgeoner

Created by Violetriga (talk). Self-nominated at 17:21, 22 February 2018 (UTC).

Solar eclipse of May 20, 2012

  • ... that the solar eclipse of May 20, 2012 was the first annular solar eclipse seen from the contiguous United States in 18 years? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that the solar eclipse of May 20, 2012 was able to be seen from both Asia and North America? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Improved to Good Article status by Codyorb (talk). Self-nominated at 02:55, 20 February 2018 (UTC).

  • fixed hook formatting Umimmak (talk) 18:27, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article has been promoted to GA status recently and is long enough. Looks like it meets requirements on plagiarism, sourcing, and neutrality. Image is freely-licensed and produces well at thumbnail size, but I think some of the other U.S. pictures in the gallery would look less blurry.
  • The hook does not appear in the article and is false. According to NASA and The Washington Post, this eclipse was the first annular eclipse visible from the contiguous United States in 18 years (which lines up with this list). It is an interesting hook and needs to be added to the article and corrected here. The Washington Post article I linked also mentions that it began on Monday and ended on Sunday, which could also be a great hook. SounderBruce 08:23, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Whoops! I'll correct the lead. Good idea for an alt lead. Codyorb (talk) 17:48, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Evelyn Adams (lottery winner)

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self-nominated at 04:58, 20 February 2018 (UTC).

  • @Alansohn: I'll review this in full tomorrow. However, even if all the criteria are met, this article will still not be promoted unless the deletion discussion closes with a decision to not delete. epicgenius (talk) 03:09, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

QPQ: Done.


Looks good. I wouldn't go with ALT1 though, because of what's been happening here and here. If this deletion discussion ends in the article not being deleted, then ALT0 will be good to go. epicgenius (talk) 01:55, 22 February 2018 (UTC)


Usomyrma mirabilis male in amber
Usomyrma mirabilis male in amber
  • ... that the extinct ant Usomyrma (pictured) was thought to be ancestral to spider ants when first described?

Source: "We suggest that fore wing venation of Usomyrma is ancestral to other genera of this group. The next evolutionary step was the complete reduction of the closed central cell in Leptomyrmula, while conserving the pterostigma and a wide closed cell 3r. Then, in the modern Leptomyrmex males the pterostigma was reduced and the cell 3r became very narrow" (Dlussky et al, 2014)

Created/expanded by Kevmin (talk) and Burklemore1 (talk). Nominated by Kevmin (talk) at 02:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC).

Neil Swallow

  • ALT0: ... that Neil Swallow was one of the first dentists to specialise in the treatment of people with mental and physical disabilities?
  • ALT1: ... that dentist Neil Swallow often made night calls to make feeding plates for babies born with a cleft palate?

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 23:04, 19 February 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - ALT0 is not supported. ALT1 is supported.
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Lack of a question mark at the end of ALT1.

QPQ: Red XN - Pending
Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Created 19 Feb 18, nominated same day. >1.5k bytes long, start class. Not on DYK prior. Selected publication section is uncited. Neutral POV. Per Earwig's Copyvio Detector, highest overlap 38.7%. Upon manual inspection, close paraphrasing; despite portions of direct copying, difficult to restate otherwise (e.g. "In 1967 he published his MD thesis on the oral health of people with disability."). The title of the article should represent the subject's name. This should be reflected by the use of the subject's name in the hook as well. Labeled nominator's ALT0 and ALT1. ALT0 is not supported by the text; nowhere is it mentioned that Swallow is "one of the first" to specialize in this area. One source (here) notes that Swallow was "ahead of most British dentists," but does not specify that he was among the "first." ALT1 is supported by that source, from the text, "frequently went out in the middle of the night to make feeding plates for new-born cleft palate children." The remainder of the hook evaluation is for ALT1. The hook is interesting, though ALT1 lacks a question mark. No pictures used. QPQ pending, per nominator. Please address the above issues. Striking ALT0. ―Biochemistry🙴 03:55, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you Biochemistry:
  • Question mark added to the Alt
  • Sources refer to him a Neil or Neil Swallow. See all the refs apart from 1 and 3 which are obituaries when it is conventional to give someone's full name. See also WP:CommonName for why we don't always use the full name.
  • I don't believe it is conventional to reference lists of publications.
  • QPQ to be done shortly. Philafrenzy (talk) 07:11, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
qpq done Whispyhistory (talk) 12:23, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Kiyono Yasuno

  • ... that Japanese voice actress Kiyono Yasuno's family moved to Hakodate about a week after she was born in Kyoto Prefecture? Source: [48] "生れ落ちたのは京都ですが、1週間で函館、そのあとすぐに宮城県に引っ越した…らしいです(笑)。"
    • ALT1:... that when she young, Japanese voice actress Kiyono Yasuno would watch videos of dubs being recorded to further her interest in voice acting? Source: [49]

5x expanded by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Self-nominated at 12:04, 19 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Verified 5x expanded. Almost everything is cited, but not all of the entries in the list of roles are cited. Additionally, your hooks may need some copyediting. ViperSnake151  Talk  23:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
@ViperSnake151: Unsourced roles have now either been sourced or have been removed. As for copyediting, what needs to be copyedited? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:20, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
They both seem to be awkwardly-worded ("that when she was young"?). I actually had a better idea;
  • ALT3: ... that Kiyono Yasuno began pursuing a career as a voice actress at the age of 9?
ViperSnake151  Talk  02:54, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
@ViperSnake151: Not sure if that could work since neither the article nor the source explicitly state at what age did she start to pursue a voice acting career, only at what school grade. Honestly my preference is ALT0, but if there's a way to reword that somehow, feedback is welcome. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:58, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
"... that Kiyono Yasuno furthered her interest in voice acting at a young age by watching videos of dubs being recorded?" ViperSnake151  Talk  01:17, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
@ViperSnake151: I guess that works. Let's see what another reviewer thinks (as you provided your own hooks, another review has to do this). Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:45, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


A Smashburger
A Smashburger

5x expanded by Ed! (talk). Self-nominated at 02:20, 21 February 2018 (UTC).

  • For the love of Jollibee, I'll be doing this review. It's getting late over here so I might have to save the full review for later, but so far, while the article is well-written, there are some typos in the article (like "changed customer tastes": shouldn't that be "changing customer tastes?"). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 16:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
    • Not in the context used, I would think. As is, could be construed that Smashburger was changing tastes as opposed to being harmed by changed tastes. —Ed!(talk) 01:36, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Noted. There are still a few more typos here, like " But, the restaurant does not have a model footprint" (could probably do without the comma), "and booths, many also" (a semi-colon might be better here), "The beef that is fresh and not frozen" (should be "the beef is fresh and not frozen), "kosher salt black pepper and garlic" (needs one or two commas), among others. Earwigs detects no problems and the sources check out, but the full review will follow when the typos are resolved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:25, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 20[edit]

Guy Allen

  • ... that ProRodeo Hall of Fame steer roper Guy Allen's record of 11 consecutive world titles was broken by another steer roper named Buster Record?"Record ended Allen's world title streak of 11 consecutive steer roping titles."[50]
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source:
  • Reviewed: This is my fifth QPQ credit that I am using since joining Wikipedia.

Created by Dawnleelynn (talk). Self-nominated at 19:20, 22 February 2018 (UTC).

Spinning (comics)

  • Reviewed: exempt from QPQ (I have 1 prior DYK credit)

Created by Bennv3771 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:26, 22 February 2018 (UTC).

Elizabeth Kane

  • ... that in her book, Elizabeth Kane used pseudonyms to protect the anonymity of the Mormon polygamists she was interviewing? Source: "In Twelve Mormon Homes, Bessie made an effort to disguise the identity of most of the Mormons who practiced plural marriage." (Colonel Thomas L. Kane and the Mormons, 1846-1883. Whittaker, David J. Provo, Utah: BYU Studies. 2010. ISBN 9780842527569. OCLC 495597271.)
    • ALT1:... that despite being a strong supporter of gender equality, Thomas Kane was often an overbearing and domineering husband to Elizabeth Kane? Source: "They jointly envisioned a society based on gender equality..."(Colonel Thomas L. Kane and the Mormons, 1846-1883. Whittaker, David J. Provo, Utah: BYU Studies. 2010. ISBN 9780842527569. OCLC 495597271.); "He did not want to simply take care of her, but he wanted to encourage and train her in new areas, which could be somewhat controversial."(D., Barnes, Darcee (2002). A Biographical Study of Elizabeth D. Kane (Thesis). Brigham Young University)
    • ALT2:... that despite having earned a medical degree, Elizabeth Kane never independently practiced medicine, but was a writer and a political and social activist? Source: "...earning an MD degree in 1883." (Colonel Thomas L. Kane and the Mormons, 1846-1883. Whittaker, David J. Provo, Utah: BYU Studies. 2010. ISBN 9780842527569. OCLC 495597271.)
  • Reviewed: Only my third nomination
  • Comment: Moved to main space Feb 20

Created by Skyes(BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 17:48, 22 February 2018 (UTC).


  • ... that the church father Origen wrote that some passages in the Bible were intended as purely allegorical and not literal? Source: "Origen saw the "spiritual" interpretation as the deepest and most important meaning of the text[140] and taught that some passages held no literal meaning at all and that their meanings were purely allegorical.[124][136][140] Nonetheless, he stressed that "the passages which are historically true are far more numerous than those which are composed with purely spiritual meanings."[140]"
    • ALT1:... that the church father Origen drew heavily on the teachings of Plato and tried to harmonize Greek philosophy with Christian teachings? Source: "Origen draws heavily on the teachings of Plato[112] and argues that Christianity and Greek philosophy are not incompatible,[112] and that philosophy contains much that is true and admirable,[112] but that the Bible contains far greater wisdom than anything Greek philosophers could ever grasp.[112]"

Improved to Good Article status by Katolophyromai (talk). Self-nominated at 03:38, 22 February 2018 (UTC).


Illustration of a battle scene from Lucian's novel A True Story
Illustration of a battle scene from Lucian's novel A True Story
  • ... that the Hellenized Syrian satirist Lucian wrote the novel A True Story, which is sometimes regarded as the first work of science fiction, in the second century AD? Source: "He anticipated "modern" science fiction themes including voyages to the moon and Venus, extraterrestrial life, interplanetary warfare, and artificial life, nearly two millennia before Jules Verne and H. G. Wells. The novel is often regarded as the earliest known work of science fiction.[31][32][33][34][35][36]"
    • ALT1:... that the Hellenized Syrian satirist Lucian makes fun of belief in the supernatural in his dialogue The Lover of Lies? Source: "Lucian satirizes belief in the supernatural and paranormal[68] through a framing story in which the main narrator, a skeptic named Tychiades, goes to visit an elderly friend named Eukrates.[69] At Eukrates's house, he encounters a large group of guests who have recently gathered together due to Eukrates suddenly falling ill.[69] The other guests offer Eukrates a variety of folk remedies to help him recover.[69] When Tychiades objects that such remedies do not work, the others all laugh at him[69] and try to persuade him to believe in the supernatural by telling him stories, which grow increasingly ridiculous as the conversation progresses.[69] One of the last stories they tell is the "The Sorcerer's Apprentice", which the German playwright Johann Wolfgang von Goethe later adapted into a famous ballad.[70][71]"

Improved to Good Article status by Katolophyromai (talk). Self-nominated at 00:38, 22 February 2018 (UTC).


  • ... that the American malacologist Alan Solem named the genus Vatusila after a Fijian tribe which, in 1867, killed and cannibalized the missionary Thomas Baker? Source: "Vatusila is named after the Fijian tribe (located at the headwaters of the Sigatoka River) that killed and ate Rev. Thomas Baker, a Wesleyan missionary, on July 21, 1867." [51]
    • ALT1:... that the land snail genus Vatusila was named after a Fijian tribe known for killing and eating a missionary in the 19th century?
    • ALT2:... that the land snail genus Vatusila was named after a Fijian tribe known for killing and cannibalizing the missionary Thomas Baker in 1867?
  • Reviewed: TBD

Created by Umimmak (talk). Self-nominated at 18:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC).

Feng Yidai

  • ... that Chinese translator Feng Yidai's romance with actress Huang Zongying has been described as "legendary in the Chinese literary circle"?

Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 14:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Reviewing. -Zanhe (talk) 21:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg While reviewing the article I found lots of new material and expanded the article. As a contributor I'm no longer eligible to be a reviewer. New reviewer needed. -Zanhe (talk) 00:54, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Buttington Oak

  • Reviewed: To follow

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 03:01, 20 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg By my count article is just over 1600 characters with spaces so is long enough. Moved to mainspace on the 20th so it's also new enough. NPOV and no obvious copyvio. I added a comma to the primary hook to close out the paranthetical expression. Source is true and correct and inline cited. Hook is A+ interesting (actually the entire article is). No image. Awaiting QPQ. Chetsford (talk) 12:19, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on February 21[edit]

Anthony Watson (skeleton racer)

  • Reviewed: Rockefeller Center
  • Comment: 5x expansion was to article once copyvio material was deleted.

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self-nominated at 20:10, 22 February 2018 (UTC).

Stephen C. Ananian

Stephen C. Ananian circa 1946
Stephen C. Ananian circa 1946

Created by Bookish Worm (talk) and EtienneDolet (talk). Nominated by EtienneDolet (talk) at 06:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC).

Central Link

Central Link train
Central Link train

Improved to Good Article status by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 08:24, 22 February 2018 (UTC).

  • @SounderBruce: Not strictly a review, but I think ALT0 and ALT1 should clarify that Central Link is part of Sound Transit's light rail system. epicgenius (talk) 14:00, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • I think adding the locale (Seattle) is easier to recognize than Sound Transit. SounderBruce 21:46, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Hugh of Fauquembergues

Hugh's death
Hugh's death
  • ... that an arrow killed Hugh of Fauquembergues, Prince of Galilee, in a skirmish (pictured) when he was returning from a plundering raid? Source: "Hugh served the kingdom well, but soon fell foul of the region's military insecurity and was killed by an arrow during an ambush in 1106" ([53]) "At the end of the year, when Hugh was returning to al-Al, heavily laden after a successful raid, the Damascene army fell on him. He was mortally wounded in the battle..." (Runciman, Steven (1989). A History of the Crusades, Volume II: The Kingdom of Jerusalem and the Frankish East, 1100–1187. Cambridge University Press. p. 95. ISBN 0-521-06163-6. ).

Improved to Good Article status by Borsoka (talk). Self-nominated at 06:10, 22 February 2018 (UTC).

Crimean Tom

A stuffed cat claimed to be Crimean Tom
A stuffed cat claimed to be Crimean Tom
  • Reviewed: To follow

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 20:25, 21 February 2018 (UTC).

Image eligibility:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Image details says “may be” the cat. It's a fantastic story and interesting hook. Please clarify the image, which can be in the article with text saying "cat often assumed to be" but not confirmed to be the Crimean cat. The cat record shows it to have been bought later in a flee market. Whispyhistory (talk) 18:50, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Well spotted. I have amended the article and caption above. I have added an alt if it is decided to run this without an image as it the fact that it was a cat is the interesting part - Dumelow (talk) 22:26, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Comment Dumelow, "Well spotted"? The Commons page clearly states "may be" and the museum page is even more equivocal. The painting in the article has the comment "there is no evidence to substantiate any of these claims". Did you not see either of those? It's a nice story and I know it is a bit of fun but I don't see that we should really run it with a picture of a cat bought in a flee market 100 years after the event. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:14, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
I started the article based on the BBC article which states "After his death in 1856, he was stuffed and preserved and is a permanent part of the National Army Museum in London", no mention of any ambiguity there. I only brought in the NAM source when I realised the museum had a photo of the cat and contacted them to release it on a free license. But hey, whatever, run it with or without the image I think the caption makes it clear there is dispute over whether this is the actual cat - Dumelow (talk) 23:42, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Julia Stephen

Created/expanded by Michael Goodyear (talk). Self-nominated at 16:29, 21 February 2018 (UTC).

Panna Naik

  • Ref: [Brahmabhatt, Prasad (2010). અર્વાચીન ગુજરાતી સાહિત્યનો ઈતિહાસ - આધુનિક અને અનુઆધુનિક યુગ [History of Modern Gujarati Literature – Modern and Postmodern Era] (in Gujarati). Ahmedabad: Parshwa Publication. pp. 139–141. ISBN 978-93-5108-247-7.] (Source is offline and in Gujarati)([54] Just a mention here for English reference (primary))

Created by Nizil Shah (talk). Self-nominated at 13:01, 21 February 2018 (UTC).

And the Walls Came Tumbling Down

Created by Coffee (talk). Self-nominated at 04:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Hook ref verified and cited inline. However, I would phrase it this way:
  • ALT0a: ... that Ralph Abernathy was harshly criticized by other African-American civil rights activists for alleging in his autobiography that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. committed adultery the night before he was assassinated?
  • Images in article are fair use and freely licensed. QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 22:26, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks. Since I added a fact, we need a new reviewer to sign off on ALT0a. Yoninah (talk) 10:54, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Saori Ōnishi

  • ... that the voice acting performances of Maaya Sakamoto and Sanae Kobayashi helped inspire Saori Ōnishi to pursue a voice acting career? Source: [55] "大西:坂本真綾さんと小林沙苗さんです。坂本真綾さんは、歌声もあわせて、憧れています。小林沙苗さんは少年役がカッコよくて、すごく愛らしいです。こういう場で、初めて話しました。 "
    • ALT1:... that in high school, Japanese voice actress Saori Ōnishi decided not to join any clubs as she instead attended a voice acting training school? Source: [56] "大西:小中学校では吹奏楽をずっとやっていて、養成所に行けず、高校に入ってからです。高校では部活に入らず、高1の夏から養成所に通いました。 "

5x expanded by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:48, 21 February 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 22[edit]

Stephen Bocskai

Bocskai's statue in Geneva
Bocskai's statue in Geneva
  • ... that in his last will, Stephen Bocskai (his statue on the Reformation Wall pictured) stated that "it will be necessary and expedient to have a Hungarian prince in Transylvania" as long as the Habsburgs rule Hungary? Source: "Transylvanians realized ... that the House of Habsburg would be unable to protect their distant country from the Turks... Once more the Transylvanians submitted to the Turks, belatedly and partly out of compulsion. Nevertheless, in Bocskai's time there was something new in the relationship between Transylvania and royal Hungary: the realization that the Hungarian Estates could profit from Transylvania. "As long as the Hungarian Crown is with a nation mightier than ours, with the German, ... it will be necessary and expedient to have a Hungarian prince in Transylvania ...", wrote Bocskai in his testament." (Barta, Gábor (1994). "The Emergence of the Principality and its First Crises (1526–1606)". In Köpeczi, Béla; Barta, Gábor; Bóna, István; Makkai, László; Szász, Zoltán; Borus, Judit. History of Transylvania. Akadémiai Kiadó. p. 299. ISBN 963-05-6703-2. )

Improved to Good Article status by Borsoka (talk). Self-nominated at 15:33, 22 February 2018 (UTC).

Military Engineering Experimental Establishment

  • Reviewed: To follow

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 03:09, 22 February 2018 (UTC).

Superficial vein thrombosis

A superficial vein thrombosis in the great saphenous vein.
A superficial vein thrombosis in the great saphenous vein.
  • ... that even a "benign" blood clot in a superficial vein can lead to serious complications? Source: "Thrombosis of the superficial venous system has traditionally been considered to be a benign, self-limiting condition..." (Cosmi et al, DOI: 10.1111/jth.12986); "...a history of clinical SVT was associated with a 6.3-fold increased risk of DVT and a 3.9-fold increased risk of PE." (Kalodiki et al, PMID: 22634973)
  • Reviewed: Westgate Tower
  • Comment: Expanded from ~1k characters to >7k characters.

5x expanded by Biochemistry&Love (talk). Self-nominated at 02:27, 22 February 2018 (UTC).

Dead heat (racing)

A photo finish captures a triple dead heat.
A photo finish captures a triple dead heat.
  • ... that a dead heat (pictured) occurs in racing when it is impossible to tell which of multiple competitors finished first...? [57]
  • Comment: Newly created article on a term in racing sports - a glossary entry and List of dead heat horse races existed before this but there was no article on the specific phenomenon. Hook choices range from a simple definition to more specific.

Created by LukeSurl (talk). Self-nominated at 18:22, 22 February 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on February 23[edit]

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