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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.


Count of DYK Hooks
Section # of Hooks # Verified
July 22 1
July 27 1
August 7 1
August 13 1
August 17 3
August 22 1
August 23 1
August 28 2
August 30 2
August 31 1
September 1 3
September 3 1
September 4 2
September 5 1
September 6 2
September 12 2
September 13 1
September 14 4 1
September 15 3 1
September 16 3
September 17 7 5
September 18 3
September 19 4
September 20 3
September 22 7 4
September 23 2 2
September 24 6 4
September 25 7 4
September 26 3 1
September 27 11 6
September 28 5 4
September 29 8 4
September 30 2 2
October 1 6 6
October 2 11 6
October 3 11 6
October 4 11 4
October 5 17 10
October 6 9 5
October 7 10 8
October 8 20 9
October 9 9 4
October 10 12 3
October 11 12 5
October 12 12 6
October 13 6 4
October 14 16 5
October 15 6 1
October 16 17 9
October 17 9 2
October 18 6 2
October 19 3 1
October 20 9 3
October 21 3
October 22 4
Total 323 137
Last updated 22:41, 22 October 2018 UTC
Current time is 23:00, 22 October 2018 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
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To nominate an article[edit]

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.

Write the nomination.

On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

  • At the top of that subsection (before other nominations already there, but below the section head and hidden comment) add {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}}.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Consider adding {{Did you know nominations/YOUR ARTICLE TITLE}} to the article's talk page (without a section heading‍—‌the template adds a section heading automatically).

How to review a nomination[edit]

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
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If there is any problem or concern about a nomination, please consider notifying the nominator by placing {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page.

Frequently asked questions[edit]


This page is often backlogged. As long as your submission is still on the page, it will stay there until an editor reviews it. Since editors are encouraged to review the oldest submissions first (so that those hooks don't grow stale), it may take several weeks until your submission is reviewed. In the meantime, please consider reviewing another submission (not your own) to help reduce the backlog (see instructions above).

Where is my hook?[edit]

If you can't find the nomination you submitted to this nominations page, it may have been approved and is on the approved nominations page waiting to be promoted. It could also have been added to one of the prep areas, promoted from prep to a queue, or is on the main page.

If the nominated hook is in none of those places, then the nomination has probably been rejected. Such a rejection usually only occurs if it was at least a couple of weeks old and had unresolved issues for which any discussion had gone stale. If you think your nomination was unfairly rejected, you can query this on the DYK discussion page, but as a general rule such nominations will only be restored in exceptional circumstances.

Search archived DYK nomination discussions[edit]

Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
  • Back on DYK nomination page...
    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hook[edit]

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queue[edit]

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.


Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on July 22[edit]

Philippine Constitutional Convention of 1971

  • ... that oppositionist delegates of the Philippine Constitutional Convention of 1971 were among the first to be arrested when Ferdinand Marcos declared Martial Law in the Philippines? "The meticulous planning and flawless execution of martial rule emphasized the brilliance and thoroughness of Marcos. Congress was padlocked and its most eloquent members detained. The constitutional convention was purged of its anti-Marcos members...." - Magno (ed.) Kasaysayan. p. 157

"The delegates to the Constitutional Convention who were deemed anti-marcos like Napoleon Rama, Voltaire Garcia, Teofisto Guingona, Jose Nolado, Bren Guiao, and Jose Concepcion were also detained." Duka (2008) Struggle for Freedom p. 307

  • ALT1: ... that the Philippine Constitutional Convention of 1971 was rocked in May 1972 when a delegate exposed a bribery scheme in First Lady Imelda Marcos was implicated, alongside 13 others? "In May 1972, before all the assembled members of the Convention, Quintero unexpectedly made a public disclosure that the media called a 'bombshell'. He had been receiving, he said, money in envelops, amounting to over P11,000 which almost certainly came from Marcos' wife. He set all the envelops aside, waiting for the right time for him to speak out. 'I want to do the correct thing,' he said." - http://www.bantayog.org/quintero-eduardo-t/

"On that day, delegate Eduardo Quintero of Leyte ... revealed that he and a number of fellow delegates had been receiving money from Marcos.... By his account, Quintero received envelopes containing money that were supposed to have come from the First Lady." - Magno (ed.) Kasaysayan. p. 133

  • ALT2: ... that oppositionist delegates in the Philippine Constitutional Convention of 1971 tried several times to add provisions disallowing Ferdinand or Imelda Marcos from staying in power after 1973? "Even as the law calling fro elections for the convention was being deliberated in Congress, anti-Marcos politicians tried to incorporate a 'Ban the Marcoses' provision.... Thereafter, anti-Marcos delegates to the convention tried to build the 'Ban Marcos' provision into the charter they were drafting." (The next two paragraphs detail the Rama resolution and the Manglapus committee resolution.) - Magno (ed.) Kasaysayan. p. 132
  • Reviewed: Chang and Eng Bunker, Nominated on July 18
  • Comment: DYK Check shows 11707 characters; Created 4 days ago; Made this myself, but also made sure Earwig's Copyvio Detector shows copyvio problems are "unlikely". I even tried to paginate the references I used for the specific facts. This is my first DYK nom, so I shouldn't need to QPQ review, but I reviewed Chang and Eng Bunker anyway. :D

Created by Alternativity (talk). Self-nominated at 07:19, 26 July 2018 (UTC).

Hi. I'll take a look at the unsourced statements as soon as I can - that's probably just a sentence layout oversight on my part, in most cases. I'm not sure how to address redundancies, though. Would you mind pointing me in a more specific direction, redundancies-wise? Thanks again for the review.- Alternativity (talk) 02:35, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Narutolovehinata5. Well, I've shortened the lede section where I suppose there might have been some redundancy, although I've tried to make sure it still serves as a summary of the rest of the article's outline. I've added a more definitive references for the arrested delegates and the rushing of the approval. I've tried to figure out which facts don't have citations yet, but mostly they're covered by the citation at the end of each paragraph, and I didn't want to overcite unnecessarily. If you have any more specfic suggestions, I think I can quickly make specific changes, but I think I covered it all already... I hope? - Alternativity (talk) 00:37, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
@Alternativity: Unless the information in the lede isn't repeated in the article body, I'd suggest that you remove the references from the lede as redundant; just keep them in the article text. In addition, I'd suggest that you'd link to either Martial law in the Philippines or to Proclamation No. 1081 during the first mention of "Martial Law". Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:06, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Will do when I get to work in a few hours. Although I thought a big part of the point of the lede section was to provide a brief outline the contents of the rest of the article, including major themes/issues? Hehe. Maybe I've been writing ledes wrong all this time. - Alternativity (talk) 02:22, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
I meant the lede looks fine to me as it is right now, what I meant to say that the citations in the lede are unnecessary unless the information isn't anywhere else in the article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:26, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Oh! Okay. Anyway. I did what I could to shorten it, and also linked the first mention of Martial Law to Implementation of Martial law under Ferdinand Marcos, which is the most specific article for the topic in question. I've moved references to outside of the lede section. Personally I'm scared that's going to leave the lede section vulnerable to POV pushing, but maybe I should trust the process a bit more. hehe. Anyway. Cleanup done, as far as I can tell. :D Do tell me if there's anything more I should try. - Alternativity (talk) 05:11, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
I suppose this is too late to request for 21 September? :S
Right now September 21 is already on queue. I suppose I can give a quick review now and then post at WT:DYK if this can still go up for tomorrow. If not, an alternative date could be September 23, which is the date Martial Law was actually announced. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:27, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

General eligiblity:

  • New Enough: Green tickY
  • Long Enough: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - Despite the title of the article, it seems the article was more about the circumstances surrounding the convention than the convention itself. The convention section only discusses membership but does not go into details on how members were elected, where it took place, and other important details As such, before this is approved, the sections specifically about the convention need to be expanded.

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg @Alternativity: Due to the pressing concern, I'm in doubt that this can make it to tomorrow or even on September 23, unless the requested changes are made immediately. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:56, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Hm. Yes, I agree it won't make it to Sept 23, not just because of time, but because the offline references are a bit hard to access, and they don't all necessarily contain the information you described. (Will start looking more closely at what's in Philippine Constitutional Convention election, 1970, though. Huh. This might take a while. :S = Alternativity (talk) 17:30, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
  • @Alternativity: It's been a few weeks since my last comment, can you still do it? I can recommend to you some libraries you can visit if you need access to offline sources. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:07, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: - I'll give it another try. Is it okay if this proceeds a bit slowly? I just regained access to a core source. - Alternativity (talk) 06:10, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
@Alternativity: Normally I'd say you can take your time, but given that this nomination has been open since July, it already feels too long. I'll give you until the end of the month to address the issues. If they aren't addressed by then, I will fail the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:36, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Well, to be honest, I think I needed the time mostly to figure out what else of historical importance was left out. As far as the history books are concerned, the major events of the convention seem to be the long debates on the Ban Marcos provision deliberations, the Quintero Expose, the arrest of the delegates, and the rushing of the final draft. (I'm going to add one more, since I just realized there was no mention of the convention being one of the many places hit by the 1972 Manila Bombings, although that seemed like a minor event in terms of its impact on the actual convention event/deliberations/proceedings) Anyway. I've added a full list of delegates from Philippine Constitutional Convention election, 1970, although I feel that's more relevant to the election article, so I made the table collapsible. I don't want to call too much attention away from the actual historical events of the convention. Very few sources bother to mention the venue, but I just now discovered that it was the newly constructed Quezon City hall. The convention leadership details were already there, so I just created a new heading to highlight them. I can't think of other events within the convention, unless I track down which of the members participated in the post-Martial law gangup that finished the final draft, or I start delving into partisan side-meetings (but there aren't any references for those on the Pro-Marcos side so that'd introduce a balance problem.) Perhaps you might have further suggestions? - Alternativity (talk) 00:58, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Also, could you advise on whether the quality rating should be changed? I wasn't really planning to upgrade per se, but I think this is past its original "start" class. Modestly I'd upgrade it to a C Class, but perhaps it qualifies as a B? - Alternativity (talk) 01:16, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
The article looks better now and I suspect I'm close to being satisfied with the requirements. As for the rating, at the very least it's C, though for B-class, I think ratings depend on the WikiProject consensus (i.e. an outside review). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:48, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the estimate. I'm pretty strongly a Wikipedia:Eventualist and Wikipedia:Incrementalist, both in practice and by persuasion, so I don't do article upgrading via cleanup very often. hehe. That's why all the articles I propose are new ones. Anyway, I'll upgrade the banner to C class from start now. - Alternativity (talk) 13:01, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 27[edit]

Staatstheater am Gärtnerplatz

Gärtnerplatztheater in 2018
Gärtnerplatztheater in 2018

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 10:06, 3 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg written neutrally, properly expanded, has referencing, QPQ done...ummm...I can't see anything about recent refurbishment in the article...and it'd be better to have dates of restoration than just "recently". How about a hook about some of the performances that have been there? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:17, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
  • @Gerda Arendt: I agree with Casliber that the hook's interest is somewhat questionable, as old buildings being restored is not exactly quirky. How about a hook focusing on how it used to be a Nazi State Theatre (i.e. a hook about this sentence "The reopening of the only state operetta house in Germany on 20 November 1937 presented Die Fledermaus by Johann Strauss, with Adolf Hitler in the audience")? In addition, some sentences (such as "Eine Fahrt ins Blaue, a Lustspieloperette composed by Bernhard Stimmler..." and "The world premiere of Burkhard's Das Feuerwerk...") lack footnotes. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:16, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
It doesn't have to be quirky. I don't want to reduce a long history to Nazi only. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: When you write the hook, please make it "hooky", that is, short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article. Shorter hooks are preferred to longer ones, as long as they don't misstate the article content. Unfortunately, I don't think the hook right now meets this criterion. Not all hooks need to be a concise summary of the whole article, if anything, hooks focusing on only one aspect are sometime encouraged, as long as it's interesting. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:24, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the education. What in "I don't want to reduce it to Nazi alone" did you not understand? In a bio, I won't mention only one negative aspect, even if catchy. (Actually I would mention no negative aspect.) - I will have time for this next week, Debussy's birthday is over, but Bernstein 25 and Vaughan Williams 26 still need work. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:28, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
If you don't like my Nazi theatre suggestion, Casliber above said that a possible alternate hook could involve some of the works that have been performed there. And what I meant when I quoted that rule was your comment "It doesn't have to be quirky", as the hook as it stands is quite bland (it focuses on the restoration part, which isn't exactly that hooky). In addition, the DYK rules don't prohibit negative hooks, unless BLPs are involved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Repeating: I will have time for this next week. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
"recently restored for several years" is not idiomatic - change to "recently restored over several years" or rephrase eg as "in restoration for several years", Johnbod (talk) 13:32, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
It has been a week when two more people tried whom I tried to get to recent death, on top of normal work. - The answer is yes, but today is another day with little time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:12, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Here is another suggestion:

ALT1: ... that the Staatstheater am Gärtnerplatz (pictured) in Munich, a royal theatre in the 19th century, became the only state operetta theatre in Germany when the Nazi regime cited operettas as particularly suited to connecting people with the theatre arts? Jmar67 (talk) 16:53, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't want to give so much prominence to Nazi ideology. Will look now - finally - at article and hook, sorry for the delay. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:09, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Some refs and external links added. Combining performances, we could say:
ALT2: * ... that the Staatstheater am Gärtnerplatz (pictured), built in Munich as a royal theatre for operettas, played Die lustige Witwe as a Nazi State Theatre, and for the reopening after five years of restoration in 2017?
Casliber, do you remember this was open? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:50, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg You need to add its staging in Nazi era to the article. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:06, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I knew but forgot. Done now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I'm sorry, but I don't really find the new hook interesting either. The hook being proposed right now goes along the likes of "a theater played opera X in the past and performed it again recently", which isn't really hooky to a broad audience (as it stands, the hook really only appeals to opera fans, but not necessarily general readers). A new hook needs to be proposed here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:13, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
No hook is promoted right now. ALT2 was suggested. The house has a history of 150 years, and I think it should show a bit, hooky or not. Casliber is the reviewer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:17, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Yeah I'm sorry about that word, it was a typo that's now been fixed. As for the showing part, that's good to know, but that's what the article is for, a hook should instead emphasize something interesting, fascinating, or quirky about a subject. Yes the building may be 150 years old, but many opera houses are even older than that, so it's not really unusual in the grand scale of things. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:19, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Can you please strike, rather than making my comment look silly ;) - Casliber is the reviewer. (How I love it, after more than 1000 DYK, to be told what a hook should do.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
DYKs can have more than one reviewer, though, particularly if consensus cannot initially be reached with one. With that said, I'm also interested in what Casliber thinks of ALT2. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:44, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
I thought it was interesting enough that it was performed in the nazi era and then now. Not earth-shattering but hooky enough to pique interest....happy to get more opinions without prejudice...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:18, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I've just struck the original hook because of the issues noted above. I should also point out that Die lustige Witwe is far better known (at least to the English-speaking public) as The Merry Widow, and any hook here using the English version would be more likely to get clicks than its title in German. (It would also be completely unsurprising that it's been performed in every era since its creation, given how popular it has been, so the interest cited by Cas Liber surely plummets.) I gather there was deliberate decision to avoid the link to Hitler (it is said here to have been his favorite operetta), and it is not clear from what it written in the article whether he actually saw that operetta at this theatre, though the source may (or may not) be more definitive in that regard. I would like to point out that the second-to-last paragraph, about musicals at the theatre and world premieres of operas, is completely uncited, and needs at least one citation per DYK rules. I do have one question for Gerda Arendt: was the theatre actually built as a royal theatre, or did it only become one in 1870 when the king bought it? The history talks about a committee for a Volkstheater, and that Ludwig "conceded a new building" (I'm not sure "conceded" is the correct word here), which would seem to indicate that he gave the building, not that it was his. If it didn't start as a royal theatre, then ALT2 is problematic. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:55, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
    Changed "conceded" to "authorized". Jmar67 (talk) 01:26, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
    ALT3: ... that the Staatstheater am Gärtnerplatz (pictured) in Munich was a royal theatre for operettas in the 19th century and a Nazi State Theatre from 1937?
    People can guess that it is still active from the image. I don't see the problem with the precise start of "Royal" because the century was long. We could also give the year of the label "Königlich" if it's a problem. Just waking up, no time yet for sourcing. Please keep in mind that I know nothing more about the theatre than I translated, and still have not been to it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:47, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
    I referenced now a few musicals, and four of the operas missing a ref, dropping the other two. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:31, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
    ALT4: ... that the Staatstheater am Gärtnerplatz (pictured) in Munich, a royal theatre for operettas in the 19th century and a Nazi State Theatre from 1937, has later also presented musicals and world premieres of operas?
    Cas Liber, what do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 7[edit]

Women in Iceland

Created/expanded by Yellow.Umbrella (talk), Ipigott (talk), and Frayae (talk). Nominated by Frayae (talk) at 22:58, 7 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Hello, Frayae. Thanks for the nomination; the article is very interesting. It needs some attention for MOS:WTW; while I don't think it's non-neutral for Wikipedia's voice to imply that gender equality is good, as this reflects the balance of sources, we probably shouldn't say that a politician's lectures are amusing, even if a source does. The article uses very extensive quotes, and some fairly close paraphrases, and the English is clear but sometimes slightly non-colloquial. I've been copy-editing it and will do some more. There are a few confusing points.
Some information that is not there and would really improve it (see other "Women in... articles and redirects). It would be entirely acceptable to quote Icelandic-language sources, ideally with the quote added to the citation to make it easier to check.
While it misleadingly fails the automated DYK check, it was moved out of draftspace on the seventh, and so qualifies.
I think the fascinating part of this article is the equal-pay action, which also deserves its own article. I'd suggest a hook that brings it in, such as
  • ALT1:... that women in Iceland walk off the job en masse after a calculated proportion of the workday?
  • ALT2:... that the first woman voted in as head of state says she wouldn't have got her job if women in Iceland hadn't walked away from theirs?
....just as initial ideas. HLHJ (talk) 23:29, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Hello, Frayae. It looks as if we do have an article on the 1975 Icelandic women's strike. I've linked to it, and we might want to merge some of the content. The ALT2 hook would still work, but ALT1 seems more suited to the main article. It would be good to expand some other content, too. We might, for instance, include content on the history of women's sufferage, women's property, marriage law, parental leave (is there a father's quota?), proportion of housework done by men and women, alignment of school and working hours, childcare provisions, what professions have severe gender imbalances and how these have changed over time, affirmative action programs... Pre-20th-century history would also be good. HLHJ (talk) 04:36, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi HLHJ. These are all definitely things that should be done, I like both hook ideas you came up with as well. Although the article needs significant expansion, the DYK process is very time limited so I went straight for it. I hope you don't mind too much. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 20:16, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi, Frayae, great infobox! The clock is on the nomination, and it's safely nominated; I don't mind at all, and I don't mind re-reading it. HLHJ (talk) 23:37, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Any updates? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:53, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

I added a little, then got stuck trying to understand the role of women in Iceland during the Viking Age. This might take some time to expand. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 13:31, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
@HLHJ: I have added some early Icelandic history, role of women in the Viking Age, expanded the paragraph on Katrín, and added details of women's suffrage. What do you think? — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 11:46, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Quick look; looks much improved, well done. I will look more throughly as soon as I can. There seems to be some debate around Norse gender roles, see Shield-maiden and Birka female Viking warrior (the Hervararkviða contains a scene in which Hervör demands her father's sword from his ghost, he tells her that it is cursed and will destroy her family and her children, and she says she doesn't care about her children, she wants to go a-viking;[1] traditional this woman's role certainly is, but conventional?). Women's strike content should probably be merged as above. HLHJ (talk) 16:13, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
The problem with shieldmaidens is finding any Icelandic ones. There are comparatively few archeological digs and sagas which the idea is based on and these focus on Denmark and Sweden. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 18:49, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes. I was wondering if the academic interest in the topic had provoked any Iceland-related research. I've had a look, and you're right, I've found nothing specific. I've listed some sources I did find on the article talk page. Actually, I forgot to ask, what is the Icelandic connection of Gunnhild, Mother of Kings?
I'm a concerned about the reliability of the history.com sources. They seem to be largely based on a press release about an academic paper which doesn't really support the statements they make, so I tagged them. Population genetics is rather biomedical and might need MEDRS; I can't find such a a source, but found some non-review sources (listed on talk page for reference). I did find some more sources on Iceland in this millennium, including some useful stats, and listed them on the talk page. I've also added some see-also links you may prefer to remove. I hope you won't feel any obligation to use (or read) all these bits, they are largely working notes and some of them are quite unusable as well.
The section on the Women's Strikes is almost as long as the main article. Would you object to merging the content to the main article, and just having a summary and a main-article link on this page? You have dramatically extended the article, so I don't think length will be a problem. :) Some photos of any of the strikes would be great to have, if you know anyone who might have some they'd be willing to donate.
Apart from a few minor issues, this is ready. If you still want to improve it, that's fine, and I'll have another go over it soon, probably tomorrow. HLHJ (talk) 04:30, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Dubious section removed, including the content needing MEDRS. And the 1975 women's strike content reduced to fit better in the article. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 10:32, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, Frayæ! That all looks good. The addition of a secondary source for Aud is also good. I'm still uneasy about the reliability of the sources in the Viking Age section. For those less familiar with the history, it might be good to have dates on the named time periods (e.g. "793–1066 AD"). The order of the sections seems a bit odd, following the order of other "Women in..." article would be preferably, unless it flows much better in a modified order. HLHJ (talk) 04:55, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
I made a few more improvements. I am not sure what the layout should be like as the article is still much shorter than for example Women in India. — Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 11:14, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 13[edit]

Marcus Macrinius Avitus Catonius Vindex

  • ... that Marcus Macrinius Avitus Catonius Vindex may be the only Roman consul to have come from Roman Britain? "It is right to mention the possibility, however remote, that three prominent generals of the later Antonine period may have been natives of Colchester ... and the two Macrini Vindices. All three were enrolled in the tribus Claudia, to whch Camulodunum belonged. ...the younger Macrinus served as equestrians officers in Britain early in their career ... and in any case, the nomenclature Macrinius Vindex suggests origin in a Celtic region." -- Anthony Birley, The People of Roman Britain (Berkeley: University of California, 1979), pp. 116f

Created by Llywrch (talk). Self-nominated at 20:38, 15 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Llywrch: New, long enough, adequately referenced, no copyvio, and the hook is interesting. However, the source (which can be found here) does not mention that Vindex was possibly the only Roman consul from Britain. Do you have a source that directly states this, or some other proof (like a list / book that mentions the origins of the other consuls) for the hook? Applodion (talk) 14:33, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
Applodion, the proof for this assertion is indirect, & is based on a number of possibilities. First, the fact that Vindex was a consul is certain, for the inscription on his tombstone establishes that clearly. Second, please note the language is that he may be the only one. By this, I want to make it clear that he may not be from Britain; however, what evidence we have places him there -- provided in this article. My next source, Géza Alföldy, Konsulat und Senatorenstand unter der Antoninen (Bonn: Rudolf Habelt Verlag, 1977), states on page 318 about Vindex: "Angesichts seiner Namen und seiner Claudius tribus wohl entweder aus Colonia Agrippinenisum oder aus Camulodunum, jedenfalls aus einer westlichen Provinz." (Translated: "Given his name and his Claudius tribus, probably either from Colonia Agrippinenisum or Camulodunum, in any case from a western province.") So his connection to Britain is, admittedly, debatable.

Now I suspect your concern is over the portion that he was maybe the only consul to come from Britain. I can understand your skepticism at this, but Roman Britain is one of three Roman provinces which cannot be shown to have with certainty produced any man who was a Roman consul; the other two are Judea (likely because of the chronic unrest by the Jews & Samaritans, which alienated the wealthy of that province from Rome) & Roman Egypt (which was carefully isolated from contact with the Roman Senate due to its importance as a food source for Rome). There will be some uncertainty about whether consuls came from these provinces because there are a few hundred consuls whose origins we do not know -- & it is always difficult, if not impossible, to prove a negative. However, here I can cite Anthony Birley in the book The People of Roman Britain (p. 20): "At any rate, no certain British senators can be detected, apart from the anomalous King Cogidubnus." And a prerequisite to becoming a Roman consul is that one has to be enrolled in the Roman Senate; unless another Roman Briton can be proved to be a Roman Senator -- or a Roman Senator shown to have come from Britain -- Vindex may be the only man to hold this distinction.

Having written all that, I have to admit there is one other possible consul from Roman Britain, about whom I learned after submitting this article for DYK: Marcus Statius Priscus, consul in 159. While Birley admits this is possible on pp. 116f, other experts have suggested more strongly that he came from Dalmatia (e.g. Alföldy in the book mentioned above, pp. 314f) than that he came from Britain. I have not yet found another expert who entertains the possibility.

To rephrase this in a TL:DR fashion. To be a Roman consul, one had to be a senator. Roman Britain is known to have produced at most three men who were Senators, of whom one -- Cogidubnus -- is not known to have been a consul. The other two were consuls, but possibly did not come from Britain. Of these two, Vindex is considered to have the stronger case of having come from Britain. Hence, he may be the only one. (Or he may be one of two, or may not have come from Britain at all.) -- llywrch (talk) 23:04, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

@Llywrch: Thank you for the response. The main problem for the hook is that it is not referenced in the article, and hooks normally should be directly referenced. I think it would be ideal if you could reword this explanation a little bit and add it as note to the article; in this way, everyone can see why Vindex might (or might not) have been the only consul from Britain. Then we can pass the DYK as well. Applodion (talk) 23:16, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
@Applodion:, I made the revision per your request. Does it meet your expectations? -- llywrch (talk) 05:41, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
@Llywrch: Great! As soon as the QPQ is done, I can pass this. Applodion (talk) 08:29, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Apparently the nominator for Democratic Republic of the Congo will need some time for improvements, so I think it is best that we simply pass this one now. Applodion (talk) 14:39, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Llywrch: You will need a citation at the end of the sentences where the hook fact is mentioned. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:30, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Which sentence are you talking about? All assertions in the article have citations. There is a stretch of text in the section "Family background" that does not have a citation, but that's because it's a simple explanation of the probabilities that Vindex & Statius Priscus came from Roman Britain. To repeat what I wrote above, the authorities -- who are named in the article -- consider Vindex to have the strongest case of having come from Britain. Hence, he may be the only one. (Or he may be one of two, or may not have come from Britain at all. After all is said & done, the evidence is not conclusive.) -- llywrch (talk) 06:16, 4 September 2018 (UTC)
  • The sentence is "Of the remaining two, Vindex is more certain to have come from Britain than Priscus, which could make him the only consul known to have come from Roman Britain." But now I come to look at the article better, I see that there are a number of paragraphs that do not have citations at the end of the paragraph. This means there is much uncited information in the article which needs attribution before this nomination gets promoted. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:40, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
  • @Llywrch: It has been a month since the last comment here, can you please cite the uncited paragraphs so that this can proceed? Thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:33, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Please read the text of the article for yourself. There is nothing lacking a reliable source that I honestly believe needs one. All other statements are either uncontroversial -- similar to the level of "Julius Caesar was a Roman" -- or stating a common sense conclusion based on facts for which reliable sources have been provided. I am beginning to feel that my nomination has been subjected to an unreasonably strict enforcement of the requirement of this rule -- a death by a thousand niggling cuts. I don't know why it has been subjected to this, especially as there have been countless other articles that have provided less citations yet passed DYK. If this article is not satisfactory in its current form, then I'll withdraw it. I'm tired of waiting for intelligent action to be taken. -- llywrch (talk) 20:05, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: Thoughts? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:20, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
@Llywrch: Please indicate which inline citation covers the hook facts because I can't see it. The DYK rules require there to be a citation for the actual sentence where the hook facts occur. (I suspect that you have no source and are in fact stating a common sense conclusion, as you see it; Wikipedia calls that "original research" and does not allow it.) A different hook could be suggested, but failing that, unless you provide a suitable citation, this nomination will fail. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:50, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
I have explained it at length above, in response to Applodion. The point is not that Vindex was the only consul from Roman Britain, but that -- based on the cited opinions of at least 2 experts -- if any had come from that province, he is the most likely one. Or would you prefer that I present a detailed analysis of the article as it currently stands, showing where there are facts for which citations have been provided, which are expert opinions for which citations have also been provided, & which are trivial, common sense conclusions? -- llywrch (talk) 18:37, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
I think it is somewhat difficult to square the rather rigid rules of DYK and its desire for verifiable facts with the rather speculative nature of this article about an individual about whom few hard facts seem to be known. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:49, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
That is a response I can understand. And live with. -- llywrch (talk) 05:46, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Based on the exchange above, Llywrch I think a new, less contested hook may need to be proposed here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:29, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 17[edit]

Josette Frank

Created by Etzedek24 (talk) and Argento Surfer (talk). Nominated by Argento Surfer (talk) at 14:06, 17 August 2018 (UTC).

Symbol voting keep.svg Interesting life, on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. I struck the original because yes it's unusual, but not specific for her. I think children's literature has to be there. - Suggestions for the article: shorter headers, and say "They had two children". Why no image here? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg Due apologies, but I am not satisfied with the hook, and have pulled this from the prep area. I do not see how the text in the article supports the hook as written. Vanamonde (talk) 21:56, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
I assume the issue is with the second half of the hook? The article clearly references the 1954 Senate hearings investigating a link between comic books and juvenile delinquency, but I have added a broader claim about public opinion with two additional sources. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:46, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93, Etzedek24, and Argento Surfer: This has been stuck for a few weeks now, perhaps there could be a way for this nomination can move forward? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:58, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Vanamonde, are you satisfied with my addition to the article? Argento Surfer (talk) 13:38, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
@Argento Surfer: Apologies, I was not watching this, and I hadn't been pinged. Not quite, I'm not. I'm not actually seeing her described as an advocate for comic books, or the equivalent. Also, the latter half of the first section is unreferenced. Vanamonde (talk) 16:14, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93:, I have referenced the early life section to which I believe you were referring, and I have added in material from her book where her comic advocacy is more candid. I'm not sure what else you could want. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 16:37, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
@Etzedek24: Not quite, I'm afraid. Frank's own book is a good source for a quote, and for very basic biographical detail, but for almost nothing else. Saying "Frank became more candid about her comic book advocacy" and then sourcing it to Frank's own book isn't in compliance with WP:NOR, let alone the requirement to source the hook. We need an independent source saying that. Vanamonde (talk) 16:46, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Ken Quattro, who wrote a 5-part series on Frank, makes the assertion this DYK is predicated on in the preface to his article. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 17:05, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
@Etzedek24: Please ping me when you reply, as I'm not watching this. That source is a blog, and is not therefore reliable enough for such a claim. Vanamonde (talk) 20:27, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: I thought you might say that. Quattro is undoubtedly a reliable source when it comes to comics-related writing. Don't WP:JUSTABLOG him. The article in question (if you indeed read it) uses a breadth of archival sources, and Quattro's writing has been judged as reliable according to Fish and karate, who assessed his reliability in a GA review of a page I wrote. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 21:44, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@Etzedek24: you're welcome to solicit further opinion at WT:DYK, but this would not fly at ERRORS, and would likely be pilloried by TRM. I suggest you find a better source. Vanamonde (talk) 21:47, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: And so I will. I think you're being absurdly obstinate about the reliability of the source. Quattro has been published plenty of times in "legit" sources. Just because this is his blog doesn't make it any less reliable. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 00:27, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Quantic Dream

  • ... that the French video game developer Quantic Dream would consider moving to Canada if its tax breaks were taken away?

Improved to Good Article status by Cognissonance (talk). Self-nominated at 21:58, 17 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Good to go Symbol confirmed.svg
Article promoted to GA on 17th, nominated on 17th
Well over the size minimum
Passes Earwig's Copyvio Detector (8.3% hit is a cited direct quote)
Hook is short and sourced "To tell the truth, without tax breaks I’m pretty certain we’d be in Canada right now."
QPQ provided
The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 00:48, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg an issue was raised with the hook at WP:ERRORS2 (permalink). It looks like the wording of the hook, which implies the company would up and leave immediately if the tax breaks were removed, does not match the tongue in cheek nature of the conversation from the source. Cage also says in the same interview that "If there were no tax breaks… well the project would probably still go ahead, but a lot less money would be spent on it", which suggests maybe he wouldn't take the Canadian route. Needs some rewording or perhaps an alt hook I think.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:46, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

@Amakuru: There was no tongue-in-cheek. "the project" that would "probably" still go ahead is Heavy Rain. Only after this does he talk about the company as a whole: "To tell the truth, without tax breaks I’m pretty certain we’d be in Canada right now". "now" is referring to 2011, a year after Heavy Rain was published. The interviewer asks "Seriously?" Cage answers "Seriously." Also hard to believe he's being unserious when he goes on to describe the benefits of Canadian tax breaks. I want this hook repromoted. Cognissonance (talk) 00:43, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
No, it can't be stated as a fact. It might not move. Other things may happen. The best you could hope for would be to say that they said they'd move, not that they would. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:13, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
@The Rambling Man: You're moving the goalpost. You were wrong and are now looking for more reasons to disregard my hook. There is nothing wrong with the word "would". It represents a desire to do something. Cage stated his desire to move the company in factual terms. Cognissonance (talk) 10:44, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
No, I'm not. Would does not represent a desire to do something. It means it "would" happen. And that's not guaranteed at all. I'm done here, good luck. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:49, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Yes, the way the hook is phrased, it sounds like we're saying in Wikipedia's voice that the move to Canada would follow the removal of tax breaks, as surely as night follows day. That is emphatically not what the source says. Cage is simply making a point about the relative advantage that he sees his Canadian competitor enjoying, and how he would seriously consider upping sticks if the French tax breaks disappeared. That's as far as it goes, but we don't know if he would really move under those circumstances. All manner of eventualities and compromises might emerge. So to suggest anything more than that is WP:CRYSTALBALL. I suggest rewording the hook to make it clear that this is something that Cage has said, rather than it being an objective fact.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:58, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
"I would do that" is not the same as saying "I will do that". The first is a statement of possibility, the second is one of certainty. "...according to the founder of the French video game developer Quantic Dream, the company..." defeats the purpose of having a hook. Ruins the flow. Cognissonance (talk) 20:39, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
I disagree. "Would" is a conditional, which generally means that if the condition does indeed get met, then the mentioned consequence will definitely occur. "The Earth would get colder if the sun disappeared". Said in Wikipedia's voice, that becomes a basic truth. If the consequence is not certain, however, merely postulated by an individual, than you have to rephrase it as "would consider moving to Canada" or "Joe Bloggs says he would move to Canada"  — Amakuru (talk) 09:47, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
@Amakuru: Whatever, I'm tired of it all. Cognissonance (talk) 00:29, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

@Cognissonance: Do you still wish to pursue this nomination? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:57, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Yes. I changed the hook to Amakuru's suggestion. Cognissonance (talk) 16:57, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Georg Cantor's first set theory article

Georg Cantor, c. 1870.
Georg Cantor, c. 1870.
  • ... that some mathematicians have disagreed about whether Georg Cantor's proof of the existence of transcendental numbers is constructive or merely existential?

Proof is constructive: Dasgupta 2014, p. 107; Sheppard 2014, pp. 131–132. Proof is non-constructive: Jarvis 2014, p. 18; Chowdhary 2015, p. 19; Stewart 2015, p. 285; Stewart & Tall 2015, p. 333.

Created/expanded by RJGray (talk) and Michael Hardy (talk). Nominated by Michael Hardy (talk) at 04:21, 19 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Not a review, but you should link and boldface the article in the hook. Catrìona (talk) 05:03, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Recently promoted GA article, so clearly meets the article criteria. Original hook is rather technical; I provided a substitute. The QPQ check didn't turn up a review by the nominator - please provide a link to a review. RockMagnetist(talk) 15:31, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
@RockMagnetist: I did this review. Michael Hardy (talk) 22:10, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg On further investigation, it appears that the nominator, despite over 200,000 edits, has never nominated a DYK article before. Welcome to DYK, Michael Hardy! RockMagnetist(talk) 19:27, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I formatted the hook to add "(pictured)". However, there is number confusion between "a transcendental number" and "they" — should the end of the hook be "or merely proves it exists"? Yoninah (talk) 21:36, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm not the submitter of this DYK, but in my opinion the meaning would be conveyed by changing the last two words of the hook. You could change "..they exist" to "..such numbers exist". EdJohnston (talk) 21:48, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
@EdJohnston: thanks, I like that. Waiting for the nominator to weigh in... Yoninah (talk) 21:53, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah: @EdJohnston: The singular in "how to construct a transcendental number" is appropriate since in this context one would construct them one at a time, and the plural is appropriate in "they exist" since the proof shows that many transcendental numbers exist, not just one. Whether it says "they exist" or "such numbers exist" doesn't seem immensely important to me, since the meaning of "they" seems clear from the context. I suppose erring on the side of caution one should be explicit and say "such numbers exist." Michael Hardy (talk) 23:14, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Restoring tick per RockMagnetist's review. Wait a minute — the review didn't confirm that the five main DYK criteria have been met. Here is a full review: GA approved. New enough, long enough, well referenced, neutrally written, no close paraphrasing seen in online sources. Hook ref verified and cited inline. Images in article and hook are freely licensed. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits.
  • Tweaked hook wording:
  • ALT1a: ... that mathematicians do not agree on whether a proof in Georg Cantor's (pictured) first set theory article actually shows how to construct a transcendental number, or merely proves that such numbers exist?
  • Symbol confirmed.svg ALT1a good to go. Yoninah (talk) 00:05, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Pulling from prep, with due apologies. @RJGray, Michael Hardy, Yoninah, and Cwmhiraeth: The hook might be okay, but the article is not sufficiently referenced. Indeed, I'm a little confused about how it passed the GA review, because though it's well written and I have no reasons to doubt its accuracy, the second half of "The development of Cantor's ideas" is completely unreferenced. Moreover, this raises neutrality issues, because the article seems to take the view that the proof is a constructive proof ("Some mathematicians have attempted to correct this misunderstanding of Cantor's work.") but this statement depends on the previous section, which, as I said, is not adequately referenced. Vanamonde (talk) 02:36, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg This was stuck in limbo as it was not re-listed. Needs a new reviewer to address concern(s) raised. Alex Shih (talk) 17:25, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
    @Alex Shih: Apologies for not relisting it, but really this doesn't need a reviewer, it needs work from the creator/nominator. If the sourcing issues were fixed I'd put this back into prep myself. Vanamonde (talk) 18:45, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
@Alex Shih: By the "creator" do you mean those who created the page, as opposed to the DYK hook? By "nominator", do you mean the person who nominated it for DYK? (That's me.) By "creator/nominator", do you mean the creator _or_ the nominator? Or do you mean it needs both? An earlier posting to my talk page left me with an impression that the issues had already been addressed. Michael Hardy (talk) 20:55, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
@Michael Hardy: I think you meant to ping me, rather than Alex. I meant that someone needs to address the sourcing issues I have raised immediately above Alex Shih's comment. The article creator and you are the people best placed to do this, and the people who have an interest in fixing the issue so that the DYK nomination may move forward. This is entirely separate from the message Yoninah left you nine days ago; these are issues I raised two days previously. Vanamonde (talk) 21:17, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: ok, I think that point is becoming clear. Just to be clear about something else: I am the original article creator, although by now RJGray is to a large extent also the creator. He knows more about the sources and history than I do. Michael Hardy (talk) 22:09, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: Concerning the sourcing issue about which you state: "Indeed, I'm a little confused about how it passed the GA review, because though it's well written and I have no reasons to doubt its accuracy, the second half of "The development of Cantor's ideas" is completely unreferenced." In the GA Review, the issue of references for derivations and examples did come up with respect to the section "The Proofs". This issue is the same as the one you are raising for the second half of "The development of Cantor's ideas" (in this half of the section, I am comparing the derivations in two different proofs). Here is how I handled the issue during the GA Review (next 2 paragraphs I wrote for the GA Review):
Concerning "The proofs": My approach was to stay within the guidelines of WP:Scientific citation guidelines#Examples, derivations and restatements whose first paragraph states:
"Wikipedia is neither a textbook nor a journal. Nonetheless, in mathematics and the mathematical sciences, it is frequently helpful to quote theorems, include simple derivations, and provide illustrative examples. For reasons of notation, clarity, consistency, or simplicity it is often necessary to state things in a slightly different way than they are stated in the references, to provide a different derivation, or to provide an example. This is standard practice in journals, and does not make any claim of novelty.[1] In Wikipedia articles this does not constitute original research and is perfectly permissible – in fact, encouraged – provided that a reader who reads and understands the references can easily see how the material in the Wikipedia article can be inferred. Furthermore, copying extensively from a source with only minor modifications is not normally permitted by copyright law, unless the source has a free license."
After receiving my response, the GA reviewer dropped this issue from his list of issues. --RJGray (talk) 00:43, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
I don't know about that, RJGray. It's fine to simplify a proof, but even so you should cite the original. At this point, a reader who wishes to know where that proof came from has no way to find it, which is the basic purpose of WP:V. I'm not saying you should cite every sentence, but you should cite the proof. You can add explanatory footnotes with the source if required. Vanamonde (talk) 00:58, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

What is the current status of this thing? Is it in a queue to appear under "Did you know . . . ?" on the main page? Michael Hardy (talk) 22:31, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

@Michael Hardy: No, it is not. As I said above, the article needs to have references for all the proofs, to comply with our policy on verifiability. Once the required references have been added, I will place this in a queue. Vanamonde (talk) 01:26, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93:I have supplied the references for the proofs. Because Cantor was writing a research article for researchers, he left out simple proofs. To handle this, I did the same as I had done earlier on the proof of his uncountability theorem. I point out that he did not supply a proof and then provided a proof for Wikipedia readers. Of course, I do supply a reference to where he states the result that he does not bother proving. --RJGray (talk) 16:44, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
@RJGray: Okay, I've looked at your changes. They are an improvement, but they do not entirely address my concern. My point is fairly simple; Wikipedia is not a scholarly publication. We collate information; we do not provide new information. As such, if we are presenting a proof, it must be based on a proof published in a reliable source elsewhere. We cannot publish our own proofs, even if the editor writing said proof is quite capable of doing so without error. It is possible that Wikiproject Mathematics sees this differently, in which case I'd like to see a link to that, but I cannot see how WP:V can be satisfied any other way. Please don't take this personally; this sort of mixup often occurs when content written and reviewed by editors familiar with a specific topic is brought to wider scrutiny. If you disagree with this, please feel free to request further feedback at WT:DYK. Also, since Michael Hardy has been blocked indefinitely, I'm afraid this falls entirely on your shoulders at the moment. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 19:32, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: Thank you for your feedback. Don't worry about me taking it personally. I like to get things right and I don't mind differences of opinion—I've handled them before. In fact, one of the pleasurable things about Wikipedia is that differences of opinion are handled with respect. Unfortunately, there are too many websites where this isn't true.
I hope you are not in a rush to settle this issue. Thanks for mentioning the Wikiproject Mathematics site. I plan to bring up the issue there after researching it a bit. Unfortunately, I didn't have much time last week to devote to studying the relevant Wikipedia policies.
This issue is important for me to because I suspect it will occur in the future. I tend to work in history of mathematics and may be faced again with the fact that research mathematicians tend to leave out simple derivations or proofs when communicating with their fellow research mathematicians via articles and letters. The only reason that I provided my own simple derivations was because Cantor left out two: one in his article and the other in a letter to Dedekind. I could follow Cantor and skip the derivations. However, because Wikipedia appeals to a wide audience, I wanted to make sure readers had a complete proof rather than expecting them to finish it. --RJGray (talk) 17:18, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
@RJGray: I am not in a hurry, though we should try to keep it to a reasonable schedule to be fair to the DYK process. Thanks for not taking it personally. Your position about wanting readers to have a complete proof is quite reasonable, and I'm certainly not suggesting that your derivation is wrong, only that it wouldn't be acceptable on its own even if it were entirely correct, without backing from a reliable source. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 17:23, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: If I compute 5283 × 6117 and get 32,316,111, it may be that no "reliable source" can be cited for the value of the product of those two numbers. But the technique is taught in elementary school. Something similar applies in many cases to routine algebraic derivations in Wikipedia articles. The is then the question of where to draw the line between that sort of thing and original research. Michael Hardy (talk) 19:19, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
@Michael Hardy: I would not ask for a source for routine arithmetic, per WP:CALC. However, I would draw the line for requiring reliable sources somewhere between a single-step computation that anyone with access to the internet is capable of performing on their device, and Georg Cantor's theorems. I firmly believe those require a source, and that presenting an editor's own derivation isn't enough. If you disagree, I suggest you invite comments from other editors at WT:DYK. Vanamonde (talk) 19:38, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: Thank you for your patience. Even though I haven't changed my opinion that sources are not needed in this case, I decided that finding sources would be a good challenge of my knowledge of the literature. It took a bit of work but I suceeded. I have updated the Wikipedia article.
The source I found for my proof of the existence of transcendental numbers is Perron's book, which is in German and has not been translated. However, in my research on Wikipedia policies, I learned how to handle this: I've put the German proof and my translation of it in a note (see WP:V#Quoting). The source I found for my proof of Cantor's uncountability theorem is the article "Georg Cantor and Transcendental Numbers".
I must say that I am happier having the sources than not having them—I like to saturate Wikipedia articles with citations. I regard citations as doorways to deeper knowledge of a subject.
However, I think that Wikipedia's verifiability policy of citations and reliable sources can be characterized as "passive verifiability". By this I mean that the citations mostly sit there passively with few people actively looking many of them up. Consider my article with its 63 references with one reference containing 6 citations. How many citations will the typical reader of an article look up? Probably far fewer than 63. On the positive side, the citations are available if issues come up.
Now consider an article's mathematical proofs. Proofs actively engage readers who think through them and decide if they are correct or not. And if they aren't correct, they can fix them. So proofs are an example of "active verifiability". I always read mathematical proofs carefully and when I find one that is inaccurate or not clear, I rewrite it. So the accuracy of a mathematical proof depends not just on the person who initially writes it. Its verifiability is increased by everyone who reads it, thinks about it, and improves it.
On the other hand, I seldom look up the citations of a Wikipedia article unless I'm interested in reading further on the subject. I know it's hard work checking sources—the last thing I do before posting an article I wrote is to check all my citations for accuracy.
Another weakness of Wikipedia's verifiability policy is that reliable sources may have errors. The section "The disagreement about Cantor's existence proof" gives examples. In fact, the books asserting that Cantor's existence proof is non-constructive outnumber the books asserting asserting his proof is constructive.
I wish to thank you for suggesting your improvement. This article has now benefited from two GA reviews (it failed the first one but that motivated me to do a second rewrite of the article) and one DYK review. —RJGray (talk) 22:59, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
@RJGray: Thanks for the sources. Unless I'm missing something, though, the "first theorem" still doesn't have citations. Also: I'm understanding, from what you said above, that you're using the same source for all of the second theorem (footnote A). If this is the case, please duplicate it (you can just copy the footnote) at the end of all of the relevant paragraphs; else this is going to run into trouble again when it's in prep. In general, even if you're using the same source for multiple paragraphs, duplicate it at the end of each paragraph. As to your other points, I agree in theory, but the fact is that even though I have more mathematical education than probably 99% of the world's population, I would miss most errors in a proof such as this one; which is why we need the refs, even if they aren't followed up on. Vanamonde (talk) 01:14, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
(GA reviewer here and I've been lurking for a few days.) Per WP:CITEDENSE, there's no "one citation per paragraph" rule on Wikipedia. Repeating a citation every paragraph is an optional stylistic choice. If a user would remove this from the DYK queue for that reason then they would be in the wrong. As for the "first theorem" section, if my memory is correct then I recall that it's a summary of parts of the Cantor article, vacuously sourced to that article, along with a bit of WP:SCG/WP:CALC. (Per WP:MINREF it didn't need an inline citation... but the fact you claim it does counts as a "challenge" and actually means it now does, somewhat bizarrely.) Bilorv(c)(talk) 01:42, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
@Bilorv: Well, in my opinion articles should always have a minimum of one citation per paragraph, but in any case this is actually codified as a DYK rule (supplementary rule D2, if you're interested). In any case, if parts are based on the George Cantor article, then that needs to be fixed. Wikipedia isn't a reliable source, and if that article is in such good shape, then it should be easy enough to copy references over. Vanamonde (talk) 01:55, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
To clarify, when I said "vacuously sourced to that article", I meant "vacuously sourced to the primary source of Cantor's paper", not some other Wikipedia article. Bilorv(c)(talk) 10:45, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
That's even easier, then: just add that as a source, with an explanatory footnote if necessary, at the end of every paragraphs that's taken from it. Vanamonde (talk) 17:44, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93 and Bilorv: I don't want to bother with the question of whether or not I need references in the subsections "First theorem" and "Second theorem". I was surprised that I didn't put them in! I like to encourage my readers to read Cantor's original article. One way I do this is to supply references to his article and to a translation of his article whether they are needed or not. So I added them.
Concerning the DYK supplementary rule D2. This rule states: "The article in general should use inline, cited sources. A rule of thumb is one inline citation per paragraph, excluding the lead, plot summaries, and paragraphs which summarize other cited content." According to Rule of thumb: "The English phrase rule of thumb refers to a principle with broad application that is not intended to be strictly accurate or reliable for every situation." If it was a rigid rule that required one citation per paragraph, I've already came up with two problems such a rigid requirement can create:
(1) Let's say I had an article that I planned to nominate for DYK and one paragraph of my article had no citation but the following paragraph had more than one. Then I might change my paragraphing so the first paragraph would have one citation. Of course, this could negatively affect the writing quality.
(2) Consider the Cantor article. The first paragraph of Georg Cantor's first set theory article#Example of Cantor's construction is a description of a simple example that I made up to illustrate how Cantor's construction works. I am permitted to have such an example by WP:Scientific citation guidelines#Examples, derivations and restatements: "Nonetheless, in mathematics and the mathematical sciences, it is frequently helpful to quote theorems, include simple derivations, and provide illustrative examples. For reasons of notation, clarity, consistency, or simplicity it is often necessary to state things in a slightly different way than they are stated in the references, to provide a different derivation, or to provide an example. … In Wikipedia articles this does not constitute original research and is perfectly permissible …" Since I'm providing the example it has no reference. So if rule D2 was rigid, I'd have to decide which was most important: A "Did you know" or an example that helped my readers.
By the way, I have 67 references in 49 paragraphs, which is 1.37 refs/paragraph. So my article is averaging 37% more refs per paragraph than an article that only contains one ref per paragraph. ≈—RJGray (talk) 01:42, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
@RJGray: I'm a bit busy at the moment so please forgive the short response. First off, right now I'm only seeing a citation for theorem two. Second, the problems with writing style and structure are easily addressed by duplicating references. I feel like I am somehow not getting this point across, but it's very simple, and it addresses your concern entirely. If multiple paragraphs are sourced to page 2 of Cantor's paper, then you just cite page 2 of Cantor's paper after each of those paragraphs. Why is this proving so difficult? Vanamonde (talk) 01:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: Sorry, I'm a bit tired and it appears that I didn't submit my changes, which are done now. On paragraphing, there may be a problem on "Second theorem". I see three options on the structure of the paragraph starting: "Either the number of intervals generated is finite or infinite" Option 1: the ending of case 3 is the end of the paragraph (this is where I put a ref). Option 2: each case is a paragraph, so in this option, I would put a ref after every case. Option 3: the sentence following the cases is the end of the paragraph, so in this option, I would put the ref at the end of this sentence. I chose Option 1 because I think the colon implies that the three cases belong to the same sentence as the colon. Which option do you think is best? Take your time answering, I'm getting off the computer now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RJGray (talkcontribs) 02:37, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
@RJGray: My apologies, I've been inactive for the past few days. Your latest changes look good. My final citation quibble is about the proof provided in "dense sequences", which also appears not to have a source. Since the article does not seem to hinge on this, you could simply temporarily remove the section if you want to move forward with this quickly. Vanamonde (talk) 17:01, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: I'm happy that you are pleased with my latest changes. I've made one further change. In my last response, I mentioned the "Example of Cantor's construction" as not needing a citation for an example. I suspect that quite a few examples in math articles won't have a citation available, but it turns out that this particular example does have one. When I was writing it, I must have been concentrating on the math and forgot that nearly the same example appeared in the literature as an exercise. But returning to it now, I remembered that it looked familiar and remembered the probable source. I've added a note about this.
Concerning dense sequences, I have a suggestion. But first the reasons I would like to keep it:
1. In the next section, I use denseness to prove that Cantor's construction generates infinitely many intervals.
2. It identifies what is mathematically special about the second case.
3. It deepens a reader's appreciation of the three cases because they are regarding them from a different angle.
4. It helped me in my reply to Ipsic's question (see next section of Talk).
5. See last sentence in next paragraph.
My suggestion is to bring in Cantor's second proof of the uncountability of the reals, which he published in 1879. This proof is not generally known, at least not in the US. As far as I know, it hasn't been translated into English, but there is a French translation from the 1880s. His second proof only uses 2 cases: The given set of reals is dense or not dense in the interval [ab]. In the second case, there's an open interval (cd) containing no reals from the given set, so any real in this open interval does not belong to the given set (this handles cases 1 and 3 in one step). In ths dense case, he gets a single real number. I think that this addition would add to the comprehensiveness of the article and it's a simple example of a great mathematician viewing his theorem from another angle and developing a new proof.
Of course, it will take me a bit of time to add the new material in a succinct way that meshes nicely with what's there. I hope to keep it down to a short paragraph. The big unknown is his dense case. I didn't have the time today to look at it (I'd like to figure it out on my own before looking at his proof). Also, I will be on vacation from next Wednesday to the following Tuesday and won't be around computers as much, but I will have hours of travel to work on the new material.
Thanks for all your feedback. I do appreciate the work you are doing for this Cantor article and the work you do for Wikipedia. —RJGray (talk) 01:43, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
@RJGray: If you have a citation available, that's great, and you should add it. About denseness: I recognize that there's good reasons for wanting it in the article, but unless Cantor's 1879 paper is implying it very directly, I don't think that's a good route to go down. We're coming back to a fairly basic problem here. I probably have had more education in math than most Wikipedia readers: yet, I could not tell if there was an error in the mathematical argument you put forth above. Thus in the absence of a reference saying that, it isn't really verifiable. Please understand, I'm not blaming you for this; it's quite possibly common practice in the mathematics Wikiproject. But to an outsider, this is a problem. Vanamonde (talk) 01:52, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm afraid this doesn't accord with the text of WP:SCG. It reads "Some statements are uncontroversial and widely known among people familiar with a discipline." It then gives three statements which I do not understand at all, and yet they don't need citations because they are uncontroversial among people familiar with the subject. In the case of dense sequences, I can understand the argument easily using only first year undergraduate knowledge (because that's my current level of education), so it's hardly controversial or requiring of esoteric methods. Bilorv(c)(talk) 11:16, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
@Bilorv: I'm aware of the guideline, but I'm afraid you're misreading it. The guideline allows some flexibility in where citations need to be placed, and how general they might be. It does not permit completely unsourced content. Some source in the article needs to support the information in it. Vanamonde (talk) 14:50, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
@Vanamonde93: My current plan to eliminate the "Dense sequences" subsection and add a new section "Cantor's second uncountability proof" following the "Example of Cantor's construction" subsection. I figured out Cantor's 1879 proof and now I've starting reading it. He calls it a simplification of his 1874 proof and it is. It only has 2 cases, the old Case 1 and Case 3 are handled at the same time, and Case 2 is the dense sequence case. This happens because he points out that there are two kinds of sets: those that are dense in the interval [ab] and those that are not. This splits the new proof into two cases at the start. His original proof starts with his construction and the construction divides the proof into three cases. Since I'll be gone for a week, it will take me a minimum of a week and a half, but probably a bit longer since I want the writing to be as good as the rest of the article and this always takes time. So you will have your references and I'll have that Case 2 is the dense set (or sequence) case. Also, readers will learn of Cantor's second proof, which I didn't know about for years. Overall, I think it will improve the article. —RJGray (talk) 19:32, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
@RJGray: Sounds good, ping me when you are done. Vanamonde (talk) 20:14, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 22[edit]

Wheels Up

  • ... that Wheels Up is an aviation company with members who pay for on demand use of the corporate fleet of jets.
  • Comment: There is some issue on whether this corporate article resembles an WP:ADVERT. Let's discuss.

Moved to mainspace by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 07:58, 28 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Comment: how does on-demand air service differ from an air charter? Mindmatrix 20:13, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
I would presume that an air charter involves paying open market rates for rental service while this is a membership model, in which one rents a plane at member rates. It is not clear what advance notification is needed for an air charter.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:04, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment regardless of anything, "on demand" in the hook is a dab link. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:13, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg I think a new hook is needed here since this company is not the only example of a subscription-based airline, for example Surf Air. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:48, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

  • I thought a hook just had to be interesting. I didn't know it had to be about a subject that is unique to the history of the world.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:30, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
@TonyTheTiger: True, but in the grand scheme of things, it's not really that important. If say if it had been the first of its kind, maybe the hook could have worked. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:26, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
What facts do you consider important in this article.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:44, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
To be honest, there doesn't seem to be much else hook-worthy in the article, other than perhaps the same day shuttles for college football games. I suppose if we really must go with the current proposal, it should still be rewritten. Like something like "... that Wheels Up is an example of a subscription-based airline?" or something to that effect. I also note that the article right now has a big "Advert" tag at the top. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:27, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

General eligiblity:

  • New Enough: Green tickY
  • Long Enough: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - The article has a big "advert" tag at the top, this need to be addressed; in "Wheels up has exclusive rights", this should be properly capitalized; "Wheels Up flight a door" needs a comma; has there been any updates on the 2015 investigation?

QPQ: Red XN - QPQ needed
Overall: Symbol question.svg Prefer ALT2 to ALT1 Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:43, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Comment – A user added the {{Advert}} template to the article on 24 August 2018 (diff), which remains atop the article as of this post (link). North America1000 13:45, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Do others feel that the tag is appropriate. I am too close to the article to judge but I feel it was misplaced.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:34, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg This has been stuck for quite a while now. Most of the issues have been fixed, apart from the "advert" tag which remains unresolved. Personally I don't think it applies anymore, but it might be a better idea to let another reviewer decide if it's still appropriate or not. Requesting a new review. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:29, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 23[edit]


  • ... that the study of phonetics began 2,300 years ago with Pānini's description of voicing? Source: Kiparsky (1993) describes Pānini's theory of voicing, Caffrey (2017) says "Many linguistics experts credit a Sanskrit grammarian named Panini as the earliest proponent of phonetics."
  • Reviewed: Ladder hornsnails
  • Comment: I like the hook I've suggested, but I would gladly welcome suggestions for other hooks. It's a rather abstract topic, so it's somewhat difficult to come up with an interesting fact that uses the page name. For the current hook, it should be noted that Pānini described more than just voicing, but Kiparsky (1993) focused mostly on that and it makes the hook a bit hookier.

5x expanded by Wugapodes (talk). Self-nominated at 18:52, 25 August 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Great job with this article! You just are missing QPQ. Catrìona (talk) 02:33, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that socio-phonetics studies how pronunciation can signal membership in social groups, such as those defined by gender, sexuality, or race?
@Catrìona: I had reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Cerithideopsis scalariformis. I piped it so it probably didn't look like you were expecting, my apologies. Thank you for the hook suggestion, though I prefer my original proposal. The article doesn't talk about sociophonetics much (yet) so it's not referenced in the article technically, and I also plan to write that sociophonetics article soon so I'd rather save a sociophonetics hook for that. Wugapodes [thɔk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɻɪbz] 02:54, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Ok, sounds good. Everything is in order but I'll withhold the check mark for the moment in case alternate hooks are suggested. Catrìona (talk) 03:00, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
@Catrìona: BlueMoonset on their talk page rightly raised a problem with the current hook. I haven't come up with a much better hook, but am proposing a few alts that shuld more accurately reflect the sources.
ALT2: ... that the study of phonetics began as early as 2,600 years ago with Sanskrit grammarians like Pānini who around 350 BCE described how sounds are voiced?
ALT3: ... that the Sanskrit grammarian Pānini provided a phonetic theory of voicing around 350 BCE?
I'd also be interested in what @BlueMoonset: thinks of the two. Any preferences between the two? I like ALT2 slightly more, but want to make sure it fully addresses the issues they raised on the talk page before it's run. I'm not sure if it's 2600 or 2500 years since 6th century BCE, I really am not the best at arithmetic, so please correct that if I'm still off. Wugapodes [thɔk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɻɪbz] 04:55, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 28[edit]

Omingonde Formation

Restoration of Kannemeyeria
Restoration of Kannemeyeria

Created by Tisquesusa (talk). Self-nominated at 19:48, 8 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and plenty long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. The image is appropriately licensed but is rather peripheral to the hook. This is your fifth DYK, so next time you will need to do a QPQ review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:12, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The hook wording looks like a copyvio of the source. Yoninah (talk) 23:48, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, what? Copyvio is for large parts of text, not 11 words... it is the most proper and shortest possible description of the uniqueness of the formation. Tisquesusa (talk) 00:44, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah: Thoughts? Also to be on the safe side, I'd suggest rewording the hook: it does read too similarly to the quote. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:56, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
@Tisquesusa: copyvio is for 3 words or more as far as I understand. You cannot lift 11 words from a source to write your hook. Either put it in quotes (which is not the greatest idea) or paraphrase it, please. Yoninah (talk) 00:58, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
3 words or more? You're joking, Yoninah. Then every single paragraph in every article is "copyvio".

Then "preserves the most diverse faunal assemblage of cynodonts from the Middle Triassic in the world". Tisquesusa (talk) 01:10, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

@Tisquesusa: Sorry for being short with you. I guess that I would say copyvio is for a sentence. Since this sentence is copied out of the source, perhaps you should attribute it to them in the article ("So and so says that the formation preserves..."). But looking at the article, you juggled a lot of technical prose here. I'm sure you could paraphrase this statement. The formation has been cited as the world's largest preservation site of cynodonts from the Middle Triassic? (This also needs to be adjusted in the article.) Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:36, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Seagull (gamer)

5x expanded by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) and StarfishCookie (talk). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) at 05:34, 28 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Unfortunately, neither nominator has been active over the past few weeks: TSC's last edit was two weeks ago, while other than a single edit on September 11, StarfishCookie's last activity was in August. As it is unlikely that either will be able to provide an immediate response to the article concern, add to the fact that the article feels incomplete without the issue being addressed, it is with regret that I mark this nomination for closure. If either editor returns to editing before this is closed and responds to the above comment, then the nomination may proceed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:21, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
    • @Narutolovehinata5: I didn't see anything about Seagull's early life (at least before he started gaming). I can look, but...
1) There's absolutely nothing in the DYK criteria that says an article has to be "complete". In fact, by focusing on new articles, there's an implicit expectation that the articles won't be perfect when they hit DYK.
2) There's no shortage of biography articles that are missing early life information.
So, I don't see why you would be failing this nomination. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 01:19, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
@The Squirrel Conspiracy: Please read WP:DYKSG#D7. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:33, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
I am not sure that a biography missing information about a subject's life before he/she became notable would automatically disqualify on D7. If there is little reason to think that a subject's early life would not have received much or any coverage in reliable sources then I wouldn't a Wikipedia article lacking such information to be "incomplete." Rlendog (talk) 19:48, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
True. I just really need clarification from the nominators if 1. a search for early life information was attempted, and 2. if such information exists at least online. Once these issues are clarified the nomination can still proceed. If no early life information is known, there's nothing that can be done about that. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:13, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Yes, I did perform a search for the basic bibliographic information. The only thing I came up with that isn't in the article is that he grew up in the "pacific northwest" (this is from an Overwatch League promotional video). There's several sites with his birthday, but none are reliable sources (pro player settings sites, other wikis), and there's nothing else about early childhood, even city of birth, from a any source. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 17:22, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
I see. Would it be fine to at least include the Pacific Northwest mention in the article then? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:33, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 30[edit]

Topaz War Relocation Center

  • ... that sixty-five percent of internees at the Topaz War Relocation Center were American-born citizens of Japanese immigrants? Source: "Sixty-five percent of the population [of Topaz] had been born in the United States, which is a higher proportion than in many Utah cities during the nineteenth century" Price of Prejudice by Leonard Arrington and others.
    • ALT1:... that an absence of normal family life contributed to teenage delinquency in the Topaz War Relocation Center? Source: "Part of the "delinquency" was a result of the breakdown of family life in camp. Parents whose roles were undercut by the internment were unable to control their children, who left the small rooms early in the morning and returned only to sleep. Almost everyone ate at long tables in the mess halls, and teenagers often sat with their friends; even the semblance of normal family life disappeared. The lack of privacy also made disciplining difficult." Jewel of the Desert

Improved to Good Article status by Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 21:16, 30 August 2018 (UTC).

Symbol confirmed.svg Article was elevated to GA on 29 August. Article appears to meet criteria stated at WP:DYKRULES and meets specifically criteria 1F. Suggested hooks are cited to reliable sources. Article appears to be within policy. QPQ has been met.
I suggest that the original hook be used but that a link to Nisei#American Nisei be included as well, thus reading
ALT2: "... that sixty-five percent of internees at the Topaz War Relocation Center were American-born citizens of Japanese immigrants? Source: "Sixty-five percent of the population [of Topaz] had been born in the United States, which is a higher proportion than in many Utah cities during the nineteenth century" Price of Prejudice by Leonard Arrington and others.
Utilizing the same source may I also suggest the following hook:
ALT3 "... that the majority of the interned Japanese Americans at Topaz War Relocation Center, in Utah, were from the San Francisco Bay Area? Source: "A similar distribution as made in the Bay area of California, where most inhabitants of Topaz resided before and after the war." Price of Prejudice by Leonard Arrington and others.
--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:40, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks for the review! I think a link to Nisei is helpful. I think we need a separate reviewer for ALT3, since RightCowLeftCoast proposed it. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 17:58, 5 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Honestly I find ALT3 to be rather bland, or at the very least inferior to the other proposed hooks. Taking this into account, let's stick with ALT2. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:35, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Rachel Helps (BYU): Actually, though ALT2 is my preference, I'm not sure about the wording: "American-born citizens of Japanese immigrants"? It sounds off to me. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:26, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
What would you suggest instead? "American citizens born to Japanese immigrants" is another possible wording. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:54, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Sounds better but still kind of reads awkwardly. Is simply "Japanese Americans" not accurate? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:28, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
The distinction is important because official citizenship at the time wasn't sufficient proof of a person's "Americanness." Internees took questionairres about their level of Americanization, and despite the fact that they were American citizens, they were not treated like citizens. Some Japanese immigrants still held their allegiance to the Japanese emperor and would not have considered themselves American. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia categorization suggests "American-born citizens of Japanese descent". Yoninah (talk) 18:44, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Battle of Meligalas

The cemetery for those executed at Meligalas.
The cemetery for those executed at Meligalas.
  • ... that, in the aftermath of the German withdrawal from the Peloponnese, Greek left-wing partisans defeated and summarily executed some 700 to 1,100 Nazi collaborators in the town of Meligalas? Source: This is a summary of the article's key points -- please see the lead section.
    • ALT1:... that until 1982, Greek government officials organized and participated in a commemoration service in Meligalas for Nazi collaborators who had been defeated and summarily executed in 1944? Source: "το 1982, όταν το υπ. Εσωτερικών γνωστοποιεί στο δήμο τον τερματισμό της συμμετοχής των επίσημων κρατικών αρχών" (English: "in 1982, when the Ministry of Internal Affairs communicated to the municipality the cessation of the participation of official state authorities" -- link)
    • ALT2:... that the bloody events of 1944 in Meligalas resurfaced in Greek political discourse as a rallying cry for anti-fascists against the far right? Source: "ο Μελιγαλάς αρχίζει έτσι μέσα στη δεκαετία του 2000 να διεκδικείται ρητά σαν συμβολικό θετικό υπόδειγμα μιας αποφασιστικής στάσης απέναντι στον ντόπιο φασισμό" (English: "starting in the mid-2000s Meligalas is explicitly reclaimed as a symbolic model of a decisive stance against local fascism" -- link)

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Nominated by Ashmedai 119 (talk) at 14:10, 6 September 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Suggesting two variations on your primary hook below. I'm not enthusiastic about any of the proposed images and suggest that the hook be run without them. It looks like a very good quality article, and you might consider a GA nomination. Catrìona (talk) 04:47, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Dear Catrìona, many thanks for your review of my nomination and for being very kind in the execution of your duties as a reviewer (For the record, this is my second DYK nomination, my first being this one). I understand your lack of enthusiasm for any of the proposed images and I also see where you 're coming from in suggesting the rephrasing of the primary hook of the nomination. It seems to me that the latter variation (i.e. ALT4) is to be preferred, in the sense that it provides (if only in the form of a hint) valuable information to its reader regarding the approximate time and the military and political context of this fierce confrontation between the ELAS partisans and the Battalionists. Ashmedai 119 (talk) 14:27, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed for ALTs 3 and 4. Catrìona (talk) 16:09, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Symbol question.svgQuery: Sorry for the delay. Article was new enough at time of nomination, is long enough, well sourced (AGF for offline sources; checked Google translate for online sources), and neutral. Earwig does not detect copyvio from online sources, and attribution is made to the Greek wikipedia article in the page history and on the talk page. Hooks 0–4 are all short enough, formatted well and supported in the article with inline citations. I personally feel that ALT1 and ALT2 are the more-interesting hooks. QPQ waived for nominator's second DYK. Images are appropriately licensed (public domain and CCA-SA). I don't feel that the graffiti in the third image displays well at 100px. I feel the first image fits the topic best and is just discernible at 100px. Something like (pictured, graves of victims) should be added to the hook(s) if you want this image to accompany them. – Reidgreg (talk) 00:54, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 31[edit]

Shannon Evans

Shannon Evans
Shannon Evans

Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Nominated by Runningibis (talk) at 16:13, 31 August 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article created on 30 August, submitted one day later. Long enough. Neutral & no copyright issues. Fact from hook is included in source but is not immediately followed by an in-line citation. Otherwise sourced appropriately. QPQ completed. Suggest hook has boarderline appeal to a broad audience (who might not understand the significance of playing for a prep school). Fact isn't currently in article but the fact that mother liquidated (cashed out) her 401k might help spice this up and/or make clear why attending prep school was important (to qualify for NCAA scholarships). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:30, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Suggestion, you could also make note of the prep school being a Christian and Military institution. Flibirigit (talk) 01:40, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Suggest as ALT2 ... that Shannon Evans left Buffalo to follow basketball coach Bobby Hurley to Arizona State
This puts the spotlight back on Evans whom the highlighted article is really about. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:09, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 1[edit]

Phạm Thận Duật


5x expanded by Amyclam (talk). Nominated by Seazzy (talk) at 18:23, 3 September 2018 (UTC).

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Appears to be the nominator's first DYK nomination. Catrìona (talk) 05:46, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

As I stated, the only thing needed here is correct tagging of the image on Commons. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about Asian copyright law to tell you what the correct PD-Art tag is. Catrìona (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Amyclam can you figure out the copyright issue? -Seazzy (talk) 22:02, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Symbol voting keep.svg As this has been stuck for a while and the only problem appears to be the image, I think this should be good to go, albeit the hook shouldn't be in the image slot. Note though that the nominator hasn't edited in some time and help does not appear to be incoming (despite my two requests on Discord), so I think this should just move forward pic-less. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:25, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Symbol question.svg I came by to promote this, but added several "citation needed" tags, one of which involves the hook fact. Yoninah (talk) 19:37, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
PhamThanDuat School
PhamThanDuat School
I've been in touch with the page author but I'm not sure they know how to resolve the image issue. There is another image that is free on the page if that helps. - Seazzy (talk) 14:03, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Seazzy: it would help more if you could resolve the citations issue. Otherwise this nomination will be rejected. Yoninah (talk) 18:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah:Could you clarify why the hook citation was removed in the first place? Seazzy (talk) 18:50, 15 October 2018‎ (UTC)
  • @Seazzy: I'm not sure what you're referring to. I only added two "citation needed" tags to information that needs to be sourced. Yoninah (talk) 19:00, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Took a closer look and saw the cite tags. Have added the citation and corrected the date (based on the source). Hook must be re-written with new date of 1975. Can this be done here, or is there another way it needs to be done? If there is anything missing, please let us know! Seazzy (talk) 15:20, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Seazzy: thank you for adding the cite and correcting the date. Every paragraph has at least one cite now. Sometimes in the course of DYK nominations, the nominator finds that information is incorrect and is able to update it. So I'm glad you did that. To change text in the hook, you can either strike out and replace the information in the original hook, or write an alt hook:
  • ALT1: ... that the tombstone of Phạm Thận Duật (pictured) was buried face down until 1975 to conceal his cultural, military and anti-colonial activities from the French?
  • However, I'd like to suggest this hook wording:
  • ALT2: ... that the tombstone of Phạm Thận Duật was buried face down for nearly a century to conceal his cultural, military, and anti-colonial activities from the French?
  • Please let me know what you think of ALT2, and then I'll promote it. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:32, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah: ALT2 is great! Let's go with that one. Seazzy (talk) 17:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Seazzy: thanks. But we have one problem. Double-checking the source with Google Translate, the source says nothing about the tombstone being buried to conceal his cultural, military, and anti-colonial activities from the French. It just says it was done to conceal the tombstone from the French. Do you have another source for this info? Yoninah (talk) 16:59, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Amyclam: If you have a source, this can move ahead. Seazzy (talk) 19:29, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Ptolemy I Soter

Sources: Pomeroy, Sarah B. (1990). Women in Hellenistic Egypt. Detroit: Wayne State University Press. p. 16. ISBN 9780814322307. while Ptolemaic Egypt was a monarchy with a Greek ruling class. Redford, Donald B., ed. (2000). The Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780195102345. Cleopatra VII was born to Ptolemy XII Auletes (80–57 BCE, ruled 55–51 BCE) and Cleopatra, both parents being Macedonian Greeks. Ptolemaic Dynasty at Ancient History Encyclopedia.

Created/expanded by Векочел (talk). Self-nominated at 19:30, 1 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New promotion to GA status verified. This appears to be the nominator's first DYK nomination, so no QPQ review of another DYK nomination is needed. Earwig found other sites that have copied from us, but no inappropriate copying in the other direction. However, to meet DYK standards (which are different from GA standards) we need a footnote giving a reliable source for the section "Fictional portrayals". Additionally, although the article hints at it (and of course it's true), it doesn't ever seem to explicitly say that he founded the Ptolemaic dynasty or that Cleopatra belonged to the same dynasty. For that matter the claim that his rank under Alexander was general, while stated explicitly in the lead, is neither sourced there nor expanded and sourced later; I'm surprised the GA review didn't complain about this, as it's a violation of MOS:LEAD (this time part of the GA rules) and in any case must also be sourced for DYK. The hook is a good one, but to use it the article needs to have a sentence or sentences containing the same claims, with a footnote on that exact sentence or sentences. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:22, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Векочел, that's great. You'll need to address the issues that David Eppstein has raised, then. Any idea how soon you might be able to do so? BlueMoonset (talk) 02:38, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I added a citation to the lead that states he was the founder of the Ptolemaic dynasty. Векочел (talk) 02:39, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • You did this a while back, right? The reason I haven't responded is that we are still missing a citation that he was a general and in fact the citation you added contradicts this: "Although his role is unclear, most historical accounts are in agreement that Ptolemy was with Alexander" — unclear role ≠ general. Also, I thought the connection to Cleopatra added interest to the hook (otherwise: king was founder of his own family: ho hum, isn't that what everyone does?) so I think it would be better to source and keep rather than just removing. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:39, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I do not see any section of the article that claims Ptolemy was a general. As for Cleopatra, I can add a citation showing that she was a member of Ptolemy's dynasty. Векочел (talk) 22:08, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @David Eppstein: I see that you are referring to the hook. The word "general" can be changed to "companion". Векочел (talk) 22:37, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I am also referring to the article. It uses the word "general" in the first sentence, once again in the lead, and twice later, none with adequate sourcing. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:47, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I have also done some rewording here. It is uncertain that he was a general, but it is certain that he was a companion of Alexander. Векочел (talk) 11:56, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Letter of Ali ibn Abi Talib to Malik al-Ashtar

  • ... that the letter authored by Ali, the first Shia Imam, to Malik al-Ashtar, governor of Egypt, includes a model for governing based on justice for every place and every time? [4][5][6]

Created by Saff V. (talk). Self-nominated at 08:21, 1 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Comment: Symbol question.svg The article is long and new enough. However, I prefer to ask you resolve the grammatical issues and do the required technical edits (mostly removing extra spaces and adding them where ever needed), before making any further comments. Let me know when you're finished with it. --Mhhossein talk 14:21, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
@Mhhossein: thanks for review the DYK. As you nominated to grammatical issues, I asked GorgeCustersSabre help me and he do the copy edit.I think during this time I get oppurtunity to remove other issues. Regards! Saff V. (talk) 11:44, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: I have systematically copy-edited this article and checked the citations to ensure that they are accurate. I'm now content that this article is strong enough to remain on Wikipedia without any distinct concerns. Best regards,George Custer's Sabre (talk) 01:52, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. However, I think the article still needs to be checked against accuracy of the materials. For instance, I doubt if "In his letter, Ali asked the people of Egypt to follow the direction of Malik." Check the source once again. --Mhhossein talk 17:16, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
@Mhhossein: You are right! I campare this two sources (1 and 2) a part of the adventure has been missed!Imam wrote two letter, one for Malic and another for other commander and the sentence that you nominated it is seen in the letter that Imam wrote to another commander, but the exact name of the commander is unknown. All in all I prefer to remove such as challenging sentence.Also I check the article with refrecences and try to solve such as problem. Saff V. (talk) 11:46, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 3[edit]


Created by Mhhossein (talk). Self-nominated at 18:50, 10 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Is this a neologism? Yoninah (talk) 22:17, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Yoninah: A neologism whose product is utilized by the multiple reliable sources. So what? --Mhhossein talk 08:11, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Needs work: New enough, long enough. Some citations under section European Court of Justice appear to be misplaced (I think the sources cover everything, you just need the inline citations in the right places). I'd prefer if a better source were found for the first reference which is an undergraduate thesis (its bibliography lists 50–60 sources). After that's taken care of, there is some close paraphrasing and quotes that could be paraphrased. I think there are some tone/neutrality issues as well, since the article is essentially accusing governments and organizations of being Islamophobic; their point of view should be adequately covered. (I'll try to help with that after the citations are fixed.) Hook is short enough, formatted, cited in article, and interesting. (I think you could probably strike "at work" as being assumed.) QPQ checks out. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:08, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Reidgreg: Many thanks for the precise review and for your edits in the article. I've fixed some of the citation-related issues you mentioned. See if it's alright. By the way, can you elaborate on POV issue? --Mhhossein talk 12:51, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
    • I did some more work on the article and added two sources to replace some of the "thesis" material. Feel free to revert any parts you don't like. I feel pretty happy with it but I'm sure it needs some copy edit and maybe a little expansion of the lead. I will try to give it another look tomorrow, I haven't any more time today. – Reidgreg (talk) 22:54, 13 October 2018 (UTC) Additional: I probably over-reacted about the POV, it's good, especially with the new sources. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:35, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
    • Symbol confirmed.svg Approved ALT0 and ALT1: Picking up, article is well-sourced, neutral, and free of copyvio (the one high Earwig score is from a quote of a court ruling). Still long enough after some material was trimmed. Some inline cleanup tags have been placed by another editor but these do not affect DYK. I personally feel ALT0 is hookier, but either is good. – Reidgreg (talk) 15:35, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

───────────────────────── Symbol possible vote.svg This article is covered in tags. I've pulled it from the queue. Please resolve the lead issues, as well as the in-line tags. Cheers, Anarchyte (talk | work) 11:14, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Anarchyte: Oh, it was pulled in the last minutes...Anyway, I tried to resolve the those tags. Is it alright? --Mhhossein talk 16:03, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
There is still a speculation tag (and the sentence is strange as-is, too). @Mhhossein: Anarchyte (talk | work) 22:57, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Are we engaged in a GA process? Having done a dozens of DYKs, I'm seeing an unprecedented tough review. @Anarchyte: Can you help with the speculation tag? --Mhhossein talk 03:09, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
If it is going on the main page, it should at least be understandable. DYK is a terrible vetting process. Take a look at WP:ERRORS or WP:TRM for a demonstration of how much stuff gets passed here that really shouldn't (282+ on WP:TRM). I've removed the sentence as the author of the book shows no proof of this and there are no other sources presented. Anarchyte (talk | work) 06:22, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
@Anarchyte: my apologies for approving something that wasn't ready. Should I verify that the changes are good, or would a new reviewer be appropriate? – Reidgreg (talk) 19:03, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 4[edit]


  • ... that a sociophonetic study found young boys lower the pitch of their voice even before puberty to seem more masculine? It's in Holmes and Wilson Chapter 7, I was viewing the Ebook on google books which doesn't have page numbers (it can be verified there), but I will look at the hard copy once I'm back at work in a week or so.

Created by Wugapodes (talk). Self-nominated at 07:47, 11 September 2018 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Article just barely made the 7-day requirement for nominating time, and is of an appropriate length. All sources are offline so they are accepted in good faith. The hook is interesting and cited inline. As all sources are offline, I was unable to check for close paraphrasing. A QPQ has been provided. My only concern is that the last sentence of the first paragraph of the "Development of the field" section lacks a footnote. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:51, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Footnote added; it was the same as the preceding sentence. Thanks for the review, and sorry for the delay, it's been a busy week. Wugapodes [thɑk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɹɪbz] 06:16, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Puisand Lai

Puisand Lai
Puisand Lai
  • ... that Canadian national wheelchair basketball player Puisand Lai (pictured) was rated number seven in the world in girls' wheelchair tennis in 2017? Source: [7]

Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:12, 4 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new, long enough, and within policy... hook size is fine, but its content should be more interesting... QPQ done and image is licensed correctly. Runningibis (talk) 22:26, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Hawkeye7: I have struck the hook as I don't see how being ranked #7 in the world is interesting to a broad audience. Perhaps something else more interesting abpout her life can be said? I see she's also participated in other sports: perhaps a hook about that could work instead? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:38, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I thought it was unusual because she's primarily a basketball player. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:57, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I have unstruck the hook (diff), because I think it's adequately appealing to a broad enough audience. North America1000 13:38, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
ALT1:... that Puisand Lai (pictured) represented the Canada women's national wheelchair basketball team in 2018, and was also rated the world's seventh overall in girls' wheelchair tennis in 2017?
  • I like ALT1. I usually remove "also" when copyediting but here, with a single sentence, the "also" gives a clear signal that it's talking about something new, that basketball and tennis are dissimilar sports. It looks to be just under 200 characters. @Runningibis: can you review ALT1? – Reidgreg (talk) 18:37, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 5[edit]

Cecilia García Arocha

  • Reviewed: (4th nom, but have reviewed some)
  • Comment: I'm trying to improve the references on the page. Hopefully by the time this is reviewed.

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 22:46, 5 September 2018 (UTC).

Symbol delete vote.svg While the article meets length and newness requirements, the DYK nom fails for several reasons:
  • The article currently fails DYK nom guidelines which require "a minimum of one citation per paragraph."
  • The reference used to support the nom is not found in the article.
  • In addition, the domain for the first references is not online and the second is 404. Even if the links were working, I wonder if they might be primary instead of secondary sources.
  • If the article otherwise qualified, the hook is not very interesting -- it could be improved by including mention of the university's history, founding, or prominence in the country.
  • The nominator, despite having added the article to DYK on September 5, has not yet named per QPQ another DYK nom they have reviewed. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 03:31, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg @Btphelps: I think this was only the nominator's fourth nomination so no QPQ was needed at the time. With that said, I'll leave a message on their talk page informing them of your comments. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:55, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, I was not aware of the requirement for QPQ not applying to new editors. The other issues still remain however. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 19:56, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
  • I do have to note that the nominator has not edited in over a week, and did not respond to a request for comment that I left on their talk page. I will leave them another message requesting them to return as soon as possible; if there's no response within the next few days, I will mark this for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:53, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • When I saw the fail sign I just assumed that it didn’t warrant response, no question mark means don’t work on the nom, right? I’ve been having trouble with WiFi since mid September and can edit on mobile but it’s not very easy. Kingsif (talk) 23:19, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Kingsif, you're welcome to work on the article, whether or not it currently qualifies for DYK. If you could add current citations, that would be awesome, thanks. Because if you can fix the citation issue, it might be reappraised for DYK. — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 00:07, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 6[edit]

O clap your hands (Rutter)

  • ... that a reviewer came to like John Rutter's anthem O clap your hands better decades after he first found the jollity of its beginning "a bit relentless"? Source: [8]

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:23, 13 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. The hook is fine but I would suggest a slight rewording of the hook by putting "better" before "like" than before "decades". QPQ was fulfilled as well. Other than my suggestion for the hook I think this is good to go. --Sky Harbor (talk) 05:15, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
You mean this?
ALT1: * ... that a reviewer came to better like John Rutter's anthem O clap your hands decades after he first found the jollity of its beginning "a bit relentless"?
Precisely. :) --Sky Harbor (talk) 00:59, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Reviewer needed to check ALT1, and also to check for neutrality and close paraphrasing/copyvio, which doesn't seem to have been done as part of the initial review. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:42, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I suggest this rewording:
  • ALT1a: ... that a reviewer came to like John Rutter's anthem O clap your hands better 40 years after he first found the jollity of its beginning "a bit relentless"? Yoninah (talk) 02:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Do you think "decades" is much weaker than 40 years? - The years also would have to be in the article, which at present just says "many years", - and perhaps we should use that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
  • It's not that it's "weaker", but "better decades" doesn't flow well in English. Adding another word before "years" helps the cadence of the sentence. A comma also helps to improve comprehension. I like your idea of "many":
  • ALT1b: ... that a reviewer came to like John Rutter's anthem O clap your hands better, many years after he first found the jollity of its beginning "a bit relentless"? Yoninah (talk) 14:57, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks. More complete review of nomination and of ALT1b needed. Yoninah (talk) 15:34, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg Needs work for some issues with sources: (1) Much of the material cited to OUP I'm simply not finding at the linked page. If referring to this pdf of the 3-page music score sample at the Oxford site, you should make a separate citation for it. (2) Analysis of the score sample (ie: "grouping the eighth notes in a measure 3 + 3 + 2") may be considered original research since such analysis is not obvious to the average person with non-specialized knowledge. You really need a reference which gives the analysis. That goes for the OUP citations in the second paragraph of History and music. (3) I didn't find a source for the Hebrew original (ie: the translation of shofar) or the Psalm's association with the Feast of the Ascension. There appear to be sources for these in the article on Psalm 47, if you could check and add them. (4) Need a citation for the album Gloria. (5) The source uses the spelling Heikki Liimola instead of Hekki Limola. (Not sure if that's a typo.) I hope I'm not being too picky. Please let me know when the citations are in order, or if you have any questions. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:57, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for looking. Sorry for being too tired, just short reply: I will add the pdf extra if you think that's needed. - Saying 3+3+2 is like saying a dress is blue on a painting, - it takes no research, just observation. - The psalm translation is on wikisourece, and in the Vaughan Willams piece, will copy. - Will look for Gloria, remeber seeing it, but perhaps failed to add. - Probably typo. - Will ping you when done, no rush. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Reidgreg, (1) I now split the OUP pdf, and (2) used the Dickey ref a bit more. I avoided to use his description, because I always have trouble to say these same things in other words, therefore I stayed more with the score which everybody looking can verify. I didn't say anything such as "This means ...", only things one can see. (3) I added a Hebrew - English ref. (4) Gloria is the first of the listed recordings, saying so on the pictured cover. Do you want that to be split as well? (5) my tapo.
You made a nice disambiguation page. There are 150 psalms, all have an incipit in Hebrew, Latin, English, German ... - ,many more chances for such things ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:36, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Mufti Nemat

  • ... that Afghan militant Mufti Nemat has claimed that he wants others to accept his ideology "with their hearts, not by force" despite having previously waged a violent insurgency and possibly committed numerous war crimes? Source: "At their peak, the ISIS fighters in northern Afghanistan numbered as many as 500 followers of Qari Hekmatullah, until he was killed in an American airstrike in April. Mr. Rahman and Mr. Nemat, who are brothers-in-law, then emerged as the leaders of the group. [...] 'We want other people to accept our ideas with their hearts, not by force,' Mr. Nemat said. 'There is no need to force people to accept us.' [...] Many of the Islamic State's crimes are well documented in their own Facebook and WhatsApp posts, with videos of them burning opponents alive, stoning people to death, training children as fighters, and shooting bound prisoners." (Source: Are ISIS Fighters Prisoners or Honored Guests of the Afghan Government?)

Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 08:25, 13 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Oh, sorry! I did not notice that I had already used that QPQ. I will add a new one tomorrow. Applodion (talk) 20:47, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
  • I have added a new QPQ. Applodion (talk) 20:07, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

─────────────────────────Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thank you. Ready for full review. Yoninah (talk) 20:14, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure this hook is acceptable under the content rules, since it focuses primarily on negative aspects of a living person. To be clear, I'm not defending Nemat or his actions, or suggesting that the cited source is not accurate, only noting that the hook as written doesn't appear to confirm to the DYK rules. ♠PMC(talk) 15:52, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
  • We could leave out the part about the war crimes, as he denies them. The rest of the hook, namely that he waged an insurgency despite claming be be peaceful, is undisputable, however, and is not necessarily negative. Applodion (talk) 17:21, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review still needed. I've struck the original hook per PMC and am listing an ALT1 that simply removes the final clause of the original, so the sourcing should be the same.BlueMoonset (talk) 16:34, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that Afghan militant Mufti Nemat has claimed that he wants others to accept his ideology "with their hearts, not by force" despite having previously waged a violent insurgency?

Articles created/expanded on September 12[edit]

Timeline of Cluj-Napoca

1617 engraving of Cluj/Kolozsvár/Klausenburg by Joris Hoefnagel.
1617 engraving of Cluj/Kolozsvár/Klausenburg by Joris Hoefnagel.

5x expanded by Codrinb (talk). Self-nominated at 20:00, 12 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Not eligible. List articles must have at least 1,500 characters of readable prose in order to qualify for DYK. Catrìona (talk) 05:44, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg This appears to be only the nominator's fifth nomination, and given that the article itself is long (the problem is that the content is presented as a list while DYK's length requirement only applies to prose), this could still work as a hook. @Codrinb: I would suggest you expand the lede section to be a summary of the whole article, ensuring that it is at least 1,500 characters. Once this is done, this can become DYK eligible. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:00, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi all. Thank you for the feedback. I put a lot of work into this article and I will be happy to make anything that is necessary to make it eligible. Thank you for giving me a chance, @Narutolovehinata5:. The main reason for not expanding the lead more is to keep it "in sync" and consistent with all the other articles in Category:Timelines of cities in Europe. If you look at Timeline of London or Timeline of Frankfurt, they have a similar lead. If you think that I should deviate from this, in order to achieve DYK, I will do it. I will also ping @M2545: and other users involved with such lists, perhaps there are other examples of DYK or longer leads. Thanks! Codrin.B (talk) 10:32, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi again, I have added a new lead as requested. Please let me know if this works. Thanks. Codrin.B (talk) 12:38, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - The grammar in the hook is weird. Roman Empire needs a definite article, as do some of the others.

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Is this one of your first five DYK noms? Catrìona (talk) 06:40, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

@Catrìona: This is the nominator's fifth nomination so no QPQ is necessary yet; however, their next DYK and beyond will require a QPQ. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:30, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. What is QPQ? ;-) How about this text and new image:
Cluj coat of arms, awarded in 1377.

Codrin.B: I would accept that if the caption were significantly shorter. 8 lines is too many. Catrìona (talk) 04:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Catrìona:. I removed less important aspects from the lead and kept the core ideas. The lead is now around 1800 characters. I hope this is acceptable. Thanks.Codrin.B (talk) 06:25, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Ah, you were talking about the image caption... I never intended it to be so long. I just added the image previously with the caption I used elsewhere. To goal was to check if this image is better. I trimmed down the caption as well now. Codrin.B (talk) 06:30, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg I recommend the wording "throughout its long history" rather than "throughout its long timeline". Catrìona (talk) 06:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The reason I used "timeline" is to differentiate from the History of Cluj-Napoca article, which I might also work on to get it to a DYK, and also to be inline with the article title: "Timeline of Cluj-Napoca". But certainly "history" sounds better. I am fine if it has to be changed for the DYK. Thanks. Codrin.B (talk) 10:04, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svgI'm a little concerned at the amount of unsourced content here. An entry about Hadrian becoming Emperor may not need a source, but an entry about a redlinked individual such as Flavius Italicus does, I'm afraid. Vanamonde (talk) 23:02, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Bill Hines (customizer)

Created/expanded by Trekphiler (talk). Self-nominated at 07:34, 15 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, adequately referenced. I'm unable to check for close paraphrasing because the sources aren't properly formatted. I formatted the first one for you, using WP:Citation templates. There are several "page needed" tags on the sources, and also some "citation needed" tags in the text. Please address those so this nomination can proceed. The hook is definitely interesting and hook ref is verified and cited inline. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. Yoninah (talk) 23:19, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
  • BTW you seem to have the same problem with insufficient citations over at Panthermobile (show car). Please also expand the citations there so that page can be linked on the main page. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:23, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 13[edit]

Isosceles triangle

  • ... that in Flatland, isosceles triangles represented the working class? (Source: Barnes, John (2012), _Gems of Geometry_ (2nd, illustrated ed.), Springer, p. 27)
    • ALT1:... that decorative patterns using isosceles triangles date back to the Early Neolithic? (Source: Washburn, Dorothy K. (July 1984), "A study of the red on cream and cream on red designs on Early Neolithic ceramics from Nea Nikomedeia", American Journal of Archaeology, 88 (3): 305, doi:10.2307/504554)
    • ALT2:... that Lewis Carroll learned that all triangles are isosceles from W. W. Rouse Ball? (Source: Ball, W. W. Rouse; Coxeter, H. S. M. (1987) [1892], Mathematical Recreations and Essays (13th ed.), Dover, footnote, p. 77)

Improved to Good Article status by David Eppstein (talk). Self-nominated at 17:56, 13 September 2018 (UTC).

  • ☑Y Article is long enough, nominated in time (became GA on 13 September, nominated on the same day), and article is within policy.
  • ☑Y Hooks are all short enough and interesting. AGF on the offline sources. I prefer ALT1, as I think it appeals to a wider audience.
  • ☑Y QPQ done.
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Overall this nomination passes (with AGF on the offline sources for the hook). Congratulations. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:41, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
  • @Vanamonde93 and Joe Roe: The "original research" tag was added by Joe Roe, who beyond this drive-by tag has done no editing work on the article and who seems to believe that the sentence is OR because it implies that these patterns were not used even earlier. I don't think the sentence makes any such implication, so I disagree with the tag, and the source for the claim clearly indicates that they were in fact used in the early neolithic. It's a very specific source but I wanted to avoid citation overkill. The issue is made more complicated by the fact that searching for terms like paleolithic and isosceles finds many irrelevant hits (descriptions of shapes of arrow and spear points, not decorative uses, or as in doi:10.2753/AAE1061-1959160236 the use of "isosceles triangle" to describe shapes that are more humanoid than triangular and only approximately symmetrical). Essentially, Joe is asking me to prove a negative, and blocking the article from DYK until I do so. I think this is extremely unfair, and that the tag should be removed unless Joe can provide actual evidence of these patterns being used earlier, rather than his own vague suspicion (which, to me, seems more to meet the definition of original research). But now that this has brought the DYK nomination into question, I suspect that removing it unilaterally would only inflame the situation. Joe, do you want to weigh in here? —David Eppstein (talk) 23:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I don't see an issue with the hook. If Joe Roe doesn't mention specifically what their issue is, then I think this hook should be used. It doesn't have an implication that it wasn't used prior to that period. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:59, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I agree with respect to the substance, but not the procedure. The tag is only justified if the source doesn't support the material in question; the article cannot be expected to prove a negative. A suggestion that there have been earlier uses needs a source to back it up. However, If the tag is unjustified, it should be removed, preferably after a discussion; at which point this can be placed back in a prep set. I'm not going to run it while the tag is present. Vanamonde (talk) 15:28, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
    • I did already remove the tag. But we can wait a few days for Joe Roe to defend himself. We've already waited a month anyway, so a few more days won't hurt. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:13, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 14[edit]

Washington State Route 546

5x expanded by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 07:35, 14 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article was expanded 5x on Sept 14, prose is plenty long enough, and the article is within policy. The hook is under 200 characters and is interesting to a broad audience. SounderBruce, just let me know when the QPQ is done. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:03, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg @SounderBruce: Honestly I don't really see how this hook is interesting: is it considered unusual for a discontinued highway route to be restored later on? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:18, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, it's an 8 mile long highway, I don't know how much more interesting it can get. Do you have an alt you want to propose? If not, as the reviewer, I believe that the hook meets the guidelines and the green check mark should be restored. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@Gonzo fan2007 and SounderBruce: Perhaps some discussion as to why it was first deleted and then why it was later restored could make for a better hook? Without context it just doesn't seem that interesting in my opinion. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:08, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
The "why" isn't all that interesting (basically being a component of a relocated route, then given its own branch designation later). I won't be able to write up a new hook for a day or two, as I'm in the middle of traveling. SounderBruce 12:06, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Willie Borsch

Created/expanded by Trekphiler (talk). Self-nominated at 07:02, 15 September 2018 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg created 14 Sep 2018, expanded 19 Sep 2018, 1674 characters (302 words) "readable prose size" at 19 Sep 2018, no longer a stub. Earwig's copyvio fine, AGF with offline source. I am not caught by the hook. It seems to me his one-armed driving style & false arm would be interesting to a broader audience, see suggestions below Find bruce (talk) 12:14, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

♠I don't disagree, the one-armed style & the fake arm are catchy, but IMO more kitch. For me, the appeal is in the irony of winning a title in a non-existent class (which is kind of a neat trick, like a dead guy narrating a movie).
♠What I'm hoping to get with the class hook is more "throughput": from the Main Page DYK to Borsch (where you find the fake arm), to the AA/FAs (for why there's no class to win), & from there (maybe) to a named car page, or maybe one of the driver pages, or maybe TF/FC. (And with any luck, drag racing fans will notice, & fill some of the redlinks along the way. ;p )
♠If a DYK got attention for Borche, & the AA/FAs, whatever the hook, tho, it'd suit me.
♠As an aside, since it's a named car, Winged Express should be italicized. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 12:53, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Raúl Meza Ontiveros

  • ... that when Mexican suspected drug lord Raúl Meza Ontiveros was arrested, the police discovered he was storing 384 kilograms (847 lb) of cocaine?

Source: [Spanish]: El 27 de mayo de 1997, Torres Félix fue aprehendido en un operativo conjunto por el Ejército y agentes de la Policía Judicial Federal, en posesión de 348 kilos de cocaína, los cuales almacenaban en una bodega que servía de centro de avituallamiento para los recorridos de lanchas rápidas participantes del trasiego del alcaloide desde Colombia ... fue capturado en aquella fecha junto con sus cómplices: Manuel Meza Zamudio, Ramón López Serrano y Raúl Meza Ontiveros..." / [English]: On May 27, 1997, Torres Felix was apprehended in a joint operation by the Army and agents of the Federal Judicial Police, in possession of 348 kilos of cocaine, which were stored in a warehouse that served as a refreshment center for the tours of fast boats participating in the transfer of the alkaloid from Colombia ... He was captured on that date along with his accomplices: Manuel Meza Zamudio, Ramón López Serrano and Raúl Meza Ontiveros ..." (Proceso)

  • Template:Did you know nominations/Long March (South Sudan)
  • Comment: Subject is dead, BLP does not apply. Though subject was released from prison, the court did not deny the cocaine seizure happened. He was released due to the government's inability to correctly present the case without inconsistencies. Alternate hooks are welcomed. Most sources are in Spanish.

Moved to mainspace by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 03:15, 15 September 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Recommending ALT1, below. Catrìona (talk) 23:35, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I'm cool with that. New reviewer requested for the hook tweak. MX () 00:02, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 15[edit]

Bill Golden

Created/expanded by Trekphiler (talk). Self-nominated at 07:01, 16 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Trekphiler: This article is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral, I have removed the only bit of close paraphrasing I observed and have spent nearly an hour cleaning up the referencing. No QPQ is needed here as the nominator has one previous DYK. Neither hook will do, ALT1 because it mentions Chrysler's "only AHRA win in 1962" while the article mentions "Chrysler's only Nationals win" and the source states "only Chrysler driver to win a class at the Winternationals that year". I prefer the original hook as being more interesting, but the source does not state that the vehicle was "drag racing's first wheelstanding truck". And did the vehicle actually race, or did it become a demonstration vehicle? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:19, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
Little Red Wagon was drag racing's first wheelstanding anything, so the first hook is accurate; the trouble appears to be all the sources presume the readers know this already. If the hook is reworded to remove that specific claim, would that do it? Since it appears I overstated the Nationals claim, I've removed it. And yes, only an exhibition racer, as you'd expect. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 10:50, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
To confirm "first wheelstander", see here. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 15:13, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Dorsey Crowe

Dorsey Crowe
Dorsey Crowe

Moved to mainspace by John M Wolfson (talk). Self-nominated at 03:59, 15 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Comment: I don't know why it isn't linking to the page. In case I shouldn't added any Wiki formatting the page is here. My great apologies John M Wolfson (talk) 04:30, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Formatting fixed. — Maile (talk) 23:44, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
  • (Not reviewing; just a casual observation.) With just a quick glance at the article, ALT2 does not appear to be supported. It mentions just one plane crash, and does not say where he landed. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 19:06, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
There was only one plane crash, I meant that he survived both a plane crash and a car accident. However, the source I gave didn't specifically mention that he was thrown through the roof of the car, but this http://www.newspapers.com/image/355150741/ does. Hope that helps! John M Wolfson (talk) 19:38, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
Ah. I read it as saying that he had the extraordinarily unlikely experience of being in two plane crashes, both times landing through a car roof. Maybe it's just me. I'll leave it to you and the reviewer to decide if and how it should be reworded. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 20:12, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
  • I would accept AL2, but I'd like a second opinion since I'm not a DYK regular. L293D ( • ) 14:08, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
    • Thank you for your feedback. I noticed you marked this as reviewed. Does this mean that there won't be more people coming in to review this? (This is my first DYK). -John M Wolfson (talk) 15:32, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I agree with Mandarax; ALT2 is literally false. How do you feel about ALT3? You will need to add reference in the article to being thrown through the roof of the car per the DYK criteria. Catrìona (talk) 04:43, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
ALT3:... that Chicago alderman Dorsey Crowe (pictured) survived an 800-foot fall from a plane and being thrown through the roof of a car?
I think that would be fine given a conversion to metric per below. I believe this supports his being thrown through the automobile roof. EDIT: It's also cited inline in the article. --John M Wolfson (talk) 19:46, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
ALT4:... that Chicago alderman Dorsey Crowe (pictured) survived falling 800 feet (240 m) from a plane and being thrown through the roof of a car?
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review still needed; striking ALT2 per prior comments. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:41, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 16[edit]

Roberta Leighton (drag racer)

Created/expanded by Trekphiler (talk). Self-nominated at 20:11, 16 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is new enough at the time of the nomination, and meets the length requirements. The hook is interesting and cited inline. No copyright violations were found. However, I have several concerns about the article. Firstly, the article appears to only use a single source ([9]), which is repeated 16 times (multiple uses of one source are allowed, but there are better ways to do it, such as with named references to prevent redundancy). Secondly, the article's paragraphs are too short; I'd suggest combining several of the paragraphs into just a few, perhaps grouping them according to periods in her life. Finally, as the nominator already had more than 5 DYK credits at the time of this nomination, a QPQ is required. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:43, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Paragraphs are short because they have to be, by the rule of paragraphs: if you change the subject, you need a new paragraph. I used one source because there aren't many articles online about 40yr old drag racing events, & I don't have 40yr old back issues of National Dragster, or I'd have used them in the first place. I'd merge the footnotes, but I am so bad at it, I'm bound to screw it up. And I have looked at a couple of nominated DYKs, & commented; if that doesn't qualify as a formal review, or meet the QPQ standard, do what you want with this; if it doesn't make the Main Page, I won't miss it. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 11:05, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Doing a QPQ is really easy; all you have to do is link one of those reviews you commented here. That's pretty much it. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:17, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
I have cleaned up the citation issue and added a couple more. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 22:19, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

CadZZilla (custom car)

Created/expanded by Trekphiler (talk). Self-nominated at 10:38, 16 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough at the time of the nomination and appears to be adequately sourced. This was among the nominator's first five nominations so no QPQ was necessary for this one. No copyright violations were found. The hook itself is borderline interesting since I'm not sure if our readers would be very familiar with either Gibbons or ZZ Top, but I think the article name itself should be enough to interest readers. My main concern is that there are too many one or two-sentence paragraphs; it might be a better idea to combine some of the sentences into a few long paragraphs instead of several short ones. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:46, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm gambling on interest based on ZZTop, or Gibbons, as much as the car's name. (It's also been around awhile, so there's some "heard of but never seen", which makes me wish we had a pic.) Short paragraphs are a product of the rule of paragraphs: new idea, new 'graph. I couldn't find enough about the underpinnings to say more (I don't have access to the issue of --what was it, HR or CC?--detailing the construction). And putting the exterior color before the suspension & wheels seemed a bit misplaced. If you can come up with a better approach, I'd be happy to see it. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 00:47, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
For organization, one method I can suggest is to combine the first, second, and third paragraphs into a single one, with the remaining paragraphs combined into another paragraph. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:26, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Dick Megugorac

Created/expanded by Trekphiler (talk). Self-nominated at 10:31, 16 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I've fixed the formatting on your nomination. However, the hook is not interesting (lots of people have nicknames) and the subject may not be notable—in fact, I've nominated it for deletion. Catrìona (talk) 08:01, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
  • "the subject may not be notable" You really are clueless, aren't you? Magoo was doing custom jobs before Boyd was even born, & he has a page. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 13:01, 17 September 2018 (UTC)
I would like to remind you of the no personal attacks policy. Calling other editors "clueless" is not kosher, and the reason you cited above is actually not a valid argument for the notability of an article. If sufficient sources are added to the article to demonstrate notability, I would be happy to withdraw my nomination. Catrìona (talk) 22:12, 18 September 2018 (UTC)
The AfD has closed as "no consensus", but a new hook will be needed, as the one proposed is indeed not interesting, and has been struck. Trekphiler, can you please propose an alternate hook, so the review can proceed? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:46, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
As this is your 6th nomination at WP:DYKN, please provide a QPQ. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:33, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Since I'm getting complaints about not doing formal reviews, go ahead & withdraw this. I won't be nominating any other pages. Ever. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 02:13, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
@Trekphiler: Please reconsider your withdrawal. WP:QPQ is not a punishment, it's merely a practice that's intended to help lessen the backlog here at DYK. It's not difficult to do a DYK review; all you need to do is to check if a nominated article folows the rules and the supplementary guidelines. If you're having trouble with reviewing, you can always ask for help from other editors who can mentor you on such things. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:28, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 17[edit]

Dave Roller

Created/expanded by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Self-nominated at 14:54, 23 September 2018 (UTC).

  • @Gonzo fan2007: The statement "He was well known in Green Bay for his positive interactions with fans, often showing up early or staying late to sign autographs." does not have a reference. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

List of Germans convicted of war crimes committed in Italy during World War II

  • ... that Germany refuses to extradite Germans who committed war crimes in Italy during World War II? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that, due to Germany's refusal to extradite war criminals, Italy has tried several in absentia? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT2:... that former Nazis in the West German government helped war criminals evade justice for massacres in Italy during World War II?
    • ALT3:... that Italy has avoided prosecuting Germans for war crimes in Italy during World War II due to fears that its own citizens would be charged with war crimes?
    • ALT4:... that most Germans who committed war crimes in Italy during World War II never faced justice?
    • ALT5: ... that Germany refuses to extradite war criminals to Italy?

Created by Turismond (talk). Nominated by Catrìona (talk) at 09:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Umm ... you need to quote and link the sources per the instructions you left in. Daniel Case (talk) 02:36, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 18[edit]

Ed McCulloch

Created/expanded by Trekphiler (talk). Self-nominated at 05:34, 30 September 2018 (UTC).

  • As this is your 7th nomination at WP:DYKN, please provide a QPQ. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:35, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
I've looked at a couple. And if I'd known there were so many hoops to jump through, I'd never have bothered nominating anything to begin with. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 00:51, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Mark Judge (writer)

Created by E.M.Gregory (talk) and Sagecandor (talk). Nominated by Sagecandor (talk) at 22:51, 23 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article has been nominated by a topic-banned and blocked user. Pending discussion here. --Pudeo (talk) 07:00, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg This is a well-written interesting article, meticulously sources, and I think It's good for DYK. The original hook is a bit boring to readers who don't already know the writer, also it's not clearly stated that way in the article, or did I miss something? The ALT would be better if it also said that he wrote a book about that grandfather. E.M.Gregory, are you willing to work on hooks and article? Or anybody else? - In the article, I think the court incident has too much weight in both lead and article. More lead about other things, please, or less about the incident. His articles: they are formatted with template citation, which expects them to be used as references. Please find a way to avoid the ugly error messages that they are not used. Please never use "Selected" without giving the criteria. I just removed it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Second thought, catchy title:
ALT2: ... that Mark Judge wrote the book A Tremor of Bliss: Sex, Catholicism, and Rock 'n' Roll, published in 2010? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Adipati Dolken

  • ... that the Indonesian actor Adipati Dolken adopted his stage name from the villa where he stayed while on vacation in Puncak? Source: [Roughly translated] "[W]ouldn't you know it, [...] Adipati Dolken is not Adipati's real name[...]! There is a unique origin behind that name. Adipati's real name is Adipati Koesmadji. In his early career, [...] he was considering assuming a new name. It so happened then that Adipati was staying at a villa in Puncak. 'Dolken is a Dutch surname. [The Dolken person] owns the villa where I stayed. Somehow, I'm fond of that name, so I adopt it,' recounts the German-descended [?] guy." (Gadis by Femina Group)
    • ALT1:... that despite his Dutch last name, Indonesian actor Adipati Dolken is actually of German descent?
  • ALT2: ... that at the age of 22, Indonesian actor Adipati Dolken won the Piala Citra (Citra Award) for Best Supporting Actor at the 2013 Indonesian Film Festival?
  • Comment: This is my first self-nomination, so... I'm open to any opinions/suggestions.

Created/expanded by Angga (talk). Self-nominated at 20:00, 18 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Doing... beginning review for nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 16:32, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - ?
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg No copyvios detected with Earwig tool. User has less than five DYK credits, therefore QPQ is not required. ALT0 and ALT2 are both catchy, whereas ALT1 is not. There are many statements in the career section without a citation. I'm unsure if some citations apply to multiple paragraphs or not. I suggest either adding more citations, or combining short paragraphs. ALT2 is cited in the article, but it also needs to be copied into this nomination for clarity. Flibirigit (talk) 16:49, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Here are some other suggestions for the article, but they are not critical to the DYK process:

  1. An IPA or phoenetic pronunciation of his name would be helpful to English readers
  2. Article should be added to more categories
  3. I question if his height is relevant in the infobox, and his most notable awards should in the infobox

Thanks. Flibirigit (talk) 16:49, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 19[edit]

Ryder Jackson

  • ... that some Home and Away viewers praised the heterosexual character Ryder Jackson for his positive reaction to a gay kiss? Source: "Viewers turned to social media after the episode aired to express their reactions to the emotional moment. Many were supportive of Williams' portrayal of Ty and the way Ryder (Lukas Radovich) reacted on-screen." [13]
    • ALT1:... that Home and Away actor Lukas Radovich found his character's sensitive side interesting to play? Source: "Showing a bit of his sensitive side and a bit of his caring side has been really interesting for me to play." [14]

Created by Raintheone (talk). Self-nominated at 17:52, 22 September 2018 (UTC).

Carol Cox

Created/expanded by Trekphiler (talk). Self-nominated at 00:36, 20 September 2018 (UTC).


Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - The first hook fact doesn't seem to be stated clearly in the main source. The second hook fact, ALT1, looks best but I'm not seeing a clear inline citation and I'd like to be sure that we're getting the claim right – is winning a class the same as winning a trophy?
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Andrew D. (talk) 21:32, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

"The first hook fact doesn't seem to be stated clearly in the main source." It is: "Just a year before Cox’s breakthrough, women weren’t even allowed to compete at NHRA national events." The second is a bit less clear, since AFAIK, there wasn't an actual trophy awarded in the class, but: "first woman to ever win a trophy of any kind at an NHRA national event" & "Cox won her class, S/SA". Both are cited to the NHRA.com link; all 3 quotes are from there. Clearer? (Personally, I prefer the first hook: it's a bigger deal, & it's less ambiguous. The second has a cool factor, tho: she drove the winning car to the track.) TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 02:26 & 02:41, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg As this is your 8th nomination at WP:DYKN, please provide a QPQ. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:39, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
I've offered comment on 2 already. If that doesn't meet a formal standard, you can do what you want with the 8 noms. I won't miss it. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 00:20, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
@Trekphiler: As I was scrolling down the WP:DYKN page, I noticed you had started some reviews. Please list the template of one of them here and one of them on another of your nominations. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 14:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
This whole process is so complicated, the nominations begin not to be worth it. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 00:50, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@Trekphiler: it's true, DYK does have too many rules. But we instituted the QPQ rule so nominations like yours would be reviewed in a timely manner. Please just note here the template that you started to review. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 15:39, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 20[edit]

Chalfont Viaduct

The bridge over the M25
The bridge over the M25

Created by Cnbrb (talk). Self-nominated at 12:22, 21 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article had been created in the time specified by the nominator and, while very bare-bones and short, it has an adequate number of characters to satisfy the criteria; about 2,470. The nominator, Cnbrb, has had only four DYK credits as of writing, so a QPQ is not needed. There seems to be a lack of a consistent citation style, however, from bare URLs to Harvard citations. Some citations lack basic information, such as {{Cite web}} authors and {{Cite book}} page numbers. I like the premise of the latter part of the first proposed hook, and stress that we don't need two premises in one hook; we can cut out the subjectively less interesting factoid about who designed the bridge and when it was built, and instead focus on the fame and graffiti aspects. My proposal would be as follows,
ALT2: ... that the Chalfont Viaduct over the M25 motorway in England is famous for its graffiti? – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 15:45, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your input. The bare URL citation was added subsequently by another editor, now fixed, along with some other references. BBC News articles never provide a byline, hence lack of author info. Cnbrb (talk) 15:59, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
The nomination meets the criteria as specified by Philip; however, I'd prefer to actually mention the tagline itself ie: ALT3: ... that the Chalfont Viaduct on the M25 motorway was famous for its graffiti slogan "Give Peas A Chance"? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:17, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

List of Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS divisions involved in war crimes in Italy

Created by Turismond (talk). Nominated by Catrìona (talk) at 03:28, 21 September 2018 (UTC).

Exhibition of Australian Art in London

‘The purple noon's transparent might’
‘The purple noon's transparent might’
  • ... that Arthur Streeton's 1896 painting 'The purple noon's transparent might' (pictured) won critical acclaim at the 1898 Exhibition of Australian Art in London? Source: "Such a landscape as Mr. Arthur Streeton's 'Purple Noon's Transparent Light,' with its admirable drawing and aerial perspective, and its splendid force of colour, would hold its own in any London gallery" The Argus, quoting The Studio.

Created by HappyWaldo (talk). Self-nominated at 02:04, 20 September 2018 (UTC).

  • HappyWaldo, I corrected the painting title to remove apostrophes and be in uppercase—can you confirm that is correct? Also, is there a reason for "might" vs "light" there? Did the newspaper run a typo? (I want to confirm that there's not a second similarly named painting before we all get egg on our faces!) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:59, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
The correct title is ‘The purple noon's transparent might’, with the apostrophes, as the painting takes its title from Percy Bysshe Shelley's "Stanzas Written in Dejection, Near Naples". See the National Gallery of Victoria's page for the painting. It is certainly an error on the part of the newspaper. - HappyWaldo (talk) 02:17, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
@HappyWaldo: Fascinating! Thanks for the confirmation, and I've re-re-corrected the painting title above. One more query: would you consider this alternate hook? "... that no other "major survey" of Australian art in London has come close to reaching the level of female representation achieved by the 1898 Exhibition of Australian Art in London?" Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:57, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
No worries. I did consider going with a hook about the level of female representation, but since it's an art page, it seemed fitting to have an accompanying image. I went with the Streeton because many critics called it a highlight of the show. - HappyWaldo (talk) 05:12, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
@HappyWaldo: Gotcha—I totally get that motivation. Although I don't think it's necessarily the best hook in the article, I'm happy to Symbol confirmed.svg approve this! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:03, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg None of the main points of WP:DYKR have been addressed in the review above: I checked and the article is new and long enough, A lone, standalone sentence was not sourced, which technically qualifies as its own paragraph. I corrected this by adding a source to verify the content (diff), so this is okay now. Is the content of the hook properly verified in the article by the source in the article? Does the article contain plagiarism or close paraphrasing? Also it appears that the nominator needs to perform a QPQ review before this can move forward, as per the results of QPQ check. North America1000 05:00, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
While it would be better to cite The Studio directly, I can't access any online British newspaper archive (from what I can tell, they all require a paid membership). The Argus was "considered to be the general Australian newspaper" of the time, so I think it's reliable and gives an accurate assessment of The Studio's review. I will review another DYK shortly. - HappyWaldo (talk) 23:19, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 22[edit]

Barbara P. McCarthy

Created by 2018 S Classics (talk) and Andrew Davidson (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 22:02, 27 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article is new enough and long enough. I am unable to find the hook facts in the article. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright/close paraphrasing issues. A QPQ has been done. I assume the "Doctor of Letters" in 1980 was an honorary degree? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:56, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I came by to try to suggest another hook, but there isn't much content to work with in the career section. The last line of this section is a sentence fragment. Yoninah (talk) 13:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Worth It (TV series)

  • ... that viewers have watched 1.5 billion minutes of BuzzFeed's Worth It in 2018 alone? Source: [15]

Created/expanded by The ed17 (talk). Self-nominated at 04:01, 22 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg New and long enough, a copyvio check reveals no problems, hook content is interesting and is verified with a citation to a reliable source in the article. Matters to be resolved: 1) The Episodes section has no sources, 2) QPQ needs to be completed. North America1000 08:49, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
  • @The ed17: I don't want to be a stickler, but Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary is an opinion essay, whereas per D2 of the DYK Supplementary guidelines states, "A rule of thumb is one inline citation per paragraph, excluding the lead, plot summaries, and paragraphs which summarize other cited content." I'm not sure that the first table in the Episodes section could be considered as a plot summary, because it's not. Rather, it's a list. Also, the airing dates in that first episodes box are not sourced anywhere else in the article. Furthermore, the external links you added to the article with all of the YouTube links could potentially violate WP:NOTDIR. North America1000 18:22, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
  • I mean, I could convert it all to citation templates, but functionally it'd be the same thing—taking airing dates and credits straight from the linked videos. That's exactly why plot summaries aren't required to have citations. (Also, I didn't add the tables, a new user did. ;-) ) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:25, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
  • (ec) Also, the Worth It: Lifestyle Episodes section has no sources as well. The problem is, when you finish your QPQ, if I were to then just say, "oh well, I guess it's fine", another user can then come along and state how 1) the review was in error and 2) that the article doesn't qualify without some sources in these sections. Seems easier just to add some sources. North America1000 18:27, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 24[edit]

Mary Paton Ramsay

  • Reviewed: To be done

Created by Philafrenzy (talk). Self-nominated at 09:04, 29 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Honestly I'm not sure if the hook works considering neither person seems to be well-known. A new hook might need to be proposed here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:31, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, I'm not sure I understand the objection on this. Very few of the people listed at DYK are household names. That's one of the attractions of DYK. I think word combination of "argue; medieval, mysticism" makes this a bit more "hooky" than the average DYK hook. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 14:09, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, Donne is one of England's most well-known poets, in a country not short of notable poets. Edwardx (talk) 15:55, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
I see. Maybe I should have said that neither appear to be well-known "outside of the U.K.". In any case, I still think the hook needs to be rephrased somewhat and it's still borderline interesting since poetry has been known to be influenced by many kinds of things. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:24, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Our own article says "He is considered the pre-eminent representative of the metaphysical poets". I have added an alt and will add the QPQ shortly so it can be reviewed. Philafrenzy (talk) 07:41, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5 John Donne is pretty well-known to all us English majors ;) Yoninah (talk) 13:19, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Mississippi Health Project

Created by Nepaxt (talk). Self-nominated at 18:59, 24 September 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - ?
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol question.svg This article is looking pretty good, but it needs to be a little better referenced before I can sign off on it. There are a few short paragraphs that do not have a single citation, and each of these needs to have at least one. Also, the hook and the alternate (which are otherwise great) need to be cited, at least in the article itself if not (ideally) also cited in this nomination page. I certainly don't mean to nitpick; once these minor referencing issues are resolved, I'll be extremely happy to pass this nomination. It is a very interesting article, and I really enjoyed reading it! Thanks for your hard work. Michael Barera (talk) 21:43, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 26[edit]

Francis Hews

  • ... that in 1800, reviewers of Francis Hews' writings weren't sure whether he should be sent to "Bridewell for correction, or to Bedlam for a cure"?
  • Reviewed: To be done
  • Comment: one day late, hope that's OK

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Tronvillain (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 08:53, 4 October 2018 (UTC).

Aus dem Leben eines Taugenichts

Charles Godfrey Leland
Charles Godfrey Leland

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:35, 3 October 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on September 27[edit]

Marienstatt Abbey

Marienstatt Abbey
Marienstatt Abbey
  • ... that the the Gothic church of Cistercian Marienstatt Abbey (pictured), consecrated in 1212, has been a parish church from 1831, escaping demolition? Source: several

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC).

Dennis Albaugh

1957 Chevrolet Bel Air Convertible
1957 Chevrolet Bel Air Convertible
  • ... that Dennis Albaugh owns "probably" the best collection of Chevy convertibles ('57 Bel Air pictured) in the US? Source: " 'He's got a fabulous collection,' said Murl Randall, 83, a Chevrolet historian and collector from Houghton Lake, Mich., who is known as Pinky. 'It's probably the best assemblage of convertible Chevys in the country.' " ([17])
  • 'Alt1 that Dennis Albaugh has rounded-up "probably" the best collection of Chevy convertibles ('57 Bel Air pictured) in the US?
  • Reviewed: not yet done

Created by Edwardx (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 22:08, 3 October 2018 (UTC).

Added Alt - he made his money from a generic version of the pesticide Roundup. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:47, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Psalm 133

Leonard Bernstein in 1971
Leonard Bernstein in 1971
  • Reviewed: to come Isaac I Komnenos
  • Comment: We'll expand Psalm 131 as well but probably will not make 5*.

5x expanded by Yoninah (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 20:38, 30 September 2018 (UTC).


fossi femurs of Vorombe
fossi femurs of Vorombe
  • ... that weighing on average around 650 kilograms (1,430 lb), the Madagascan fossil bird Vorombe (femur pictured) was the heaviest bird known? Source

Created by Extrapolaris (talk) and Achat1999 (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 09:00, 28 September 2018 (UTC).

Gilles Bouchard

Original text 1:"Originaire de Normandin, Gilles Bouchard a mis du temps avant d'aboutir derrière le banc d'une équipe de la Ligue de hockey junior majeur du Québec. Il fait sa marque depuis son arrivée avec les Huskies de Rouyn-Noranda. Mercredi soir, au gala des Rondelles d'Or, il est devenu le premier à remporter les trophées Ron-Lapointe et Maurice-Fillion comme entraîneur et directeur général de l'année, après une récolte de 113 points en saison régulière."
Google translation 1:"A native of Normandin, Gilles Bouchard took a long time to finish behind the bench of a team from the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League. He has made his mark since arriving with the Rouyn-Noranda Huskies. On Wednesday night, at the Rondelles d'Or Gala, he became the first to win the Ron-Lapointe and Maurice-Fillion Trophies as coach and general manager of the year, after a 113-point regular season crop."
Original text 2:"Soirée de rêve au gala des Rondelles d’Or pour l’entraîneur-chef des Huskies de Rouyn-Noranda, Gilles Bouchard. L’homme originaire de Normandin a reçu le titre d’entraîneur de l’année et meilleur directeur gérant, une première dans l’histoire de la Ligue de Hockey junior majeur du Québec (LHJMQ). Gilles Bouchard est le premier à recevoir ces deux prix au cours d’une même saison dans la LHJMQ. Pour le Normandinois, ce fut la surprise d’apprendre qu’il fait maintenant partie de l’histoire."
Google translation 2:"Dream evening at the Rondelles d'Or Gala for Rouyn-Noranda Huskies head coach Gilles Bouchard. The man from Normandin was named coach of the year and best manager, a first in the history of the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League (QMJHL). Gilles Bouchard is the first to receive these two awards in a single season in the QMJHL. For the Normandinois, it was a surprise to learn that he is now part of the story."
    • ALT1:... that Canadian ice hockey coach Gilles Bouchard was fined after he brought an injured played with a bloody nose to a post-game press conference? Source (in french)
Original text:"L'entraîneur-chef et directeur général des Huskies de Rouyn-Noranda, Gilles Bouchard, a reçu une amende de 1000 $ pour ses propos tenus lors du point de presse suivant le match de dimanche contre le Phoenix de Sherbrooke. Rappelons que le match avait terminé dans la controverse, alors que Raphaël Harvey-Pinard a reçu un coup de bâton en plein visage lors de la prolongation du 6e match de cette première ronde des séries éliminatoires. Voilà que la Ligue de hockey junior majeur du Québec (LHJMQ) le met à l'amende pour une « déclaration médiatique inappropriée ». Il avait amené avec lui le joueur au nez ensanglanté."
Google translation:"Rouyn-Noranda Huskies head coach and general manager Gilles Bouchard was fined $ 1,000 for his remarks at the press briefing following Sunday's game against the Sherbrooke Phoenix. Recall that the match ended in controversy, while Raphael Harvey-Pinard was hit in the face in the extension of the 6th game of this first round of the playoffs. Now the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League (QMJHL) is fining him for an "inappropriate media statement." He had brought with him the player with a bloody nose."
  • Comment: Note to reviewer, I am willing to provide more insight into the French sources and a translation if needed. Thank you!
  • Reviewed: Indigenous Peoples Atlas of Canada

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 02:25, 28 September 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on September 28[edit]

Ignaz Kirchner

Ignaz Kirchner acting in 2015
Ignaz Kirchner acting in 2015
  • Reviewed: Maya Krishna Roa
  • Comment: recent death, please handle soon

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 08:32, 2 October 2018 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: ????
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg @Gerda Arendt: I'm not sure the proposed hook is interesting. Catrìona (talk) 02:32, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

We have only 200 chars. They played more pairs (Jago and Othelle, and those in Waiting for Godot), and they won a prize for doing so, twice. (I don't know if any other male couple did, even once.) Perhaps we should first have an article on the Tabori play in which he is crucified? [19] But I would hesitate to bring that wording to the Main page, same as for "sadomasochistisches Männerpaar". - We could say that his speaking role became the sensation in an opera at the Salzburg Festival, but it's so far off what he normally does. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 29[edit]

Thorne miniature rooms

Thorne miniature rooms chandelier detail
Thorne miniature rooms chandelier detail

Moved to mainspace by Michael Barera (talk). Self-nominated at 15:53, 29 September 2018 (UTC).

Fencepost limestone

Cathedral of the Plains
Cathedral of the Plains
Stone Post
Stone Post
  • Comment: I created a "Fencepost limestone" stub in the article namespace so that there would be no red links in the many articles, Commons categories, and images that I wanted linked to the future article. I then wrote the main article off line, only loading it into my sandbox a couple weeks ago so I could show it to my farming family at a reunion. I continued with some minor cleanups until I copied it into the article namespace. Really, today, it is a new article, replacing a stub, but, technically, it is an expanded article. The ALT1 hook would use the present Infobox image, File:Endpost20150718.jpg.

5x expanded by IveGoneAway (talk). Self-nominated at 14:52, 29 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Comment Seems to meet all the criteria. Long enough, cited, NPOV, hook (first one) is broadly interesting (2d, IMO, not so much). TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 05:52, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
@Trekphiler: please use one of the icons located above the edit window to complete your review. If you're approving a hook for which you can verify the fact, use a green icon. If it's an offline or foreign-language source, use a gray icon. If you're calling for more work on the hook or nomination, use a question mark icon. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 13:23, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Greg Fitzgerald

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 07:43, 29 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Date, size, refs, neutrality, copyvio spotcheck, all good. I do however have some concerns about the subject's notability - some references used in the article are of low quality, essentially press releases or reprints of. There is an article about him in FT ([20]), through it essentially has 2-3 paragraphs of information, and then one more decent in-depth article in Standard ([21]). Hmmm. this is probably borderline but ok, but I will leave this review for now in 'maybe' - I would appreciate another DYK reviewer commenting here on the topic of notability. If they think this topic is notable enough, I am fine with this being green-ticked as GTG. If not, ping me and we can take it to AfD for a different type of a review... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:22, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks for the review Piotrus. I think the subject passes WP:GNG due to the coverage in reliable sources and being head of a £1.4 billion company, but happy to discuss at AfD if you like. I have added the symbol to attract a second reviewer - Dumelow (talk) 11:49, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

Ecclesia Athletic Association

  • ... that the Ecclesia Athletic Association, who promoted its children being able to do 1,000 to 5,00 continuous jumping jacks, had 53 children removed from its care in 1988? Source: a pamphlet that also noted that the youths "can do between 1,000 and 5,000 continuous jumping jacks & 42 of the 53 quiet and well-behaved youngsters who stayed there were subjected to ritualistic floggings that sometimes numbered as many as 800 strokes. The children, ranging in age from 6 weeks to 16 years, were removed from the home are from [22]

Created by Barkeep49 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:39, 1 October 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 2[edit]


  • ... that EXAI offers website conversion to make mobile friendly websites for Google's Mobile First Indexing? Source: "Since google announced Mobile First Indexing in November 2016, EXAI started working on a solution that will provide millions of business around the world with a mobile friendly version of their website." ([23])

Created by Lihaas (talk). Self-nominated at 23:43, 2 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Personally, I do not consider this sufficiently interesting for DYK. Catrìona (talk) 00:29, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Suggest an altu blurb?Lihaas (talk) 03:01, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
  • A drive by comment, and not wishing to give offense, although I probably will: I am not convinced that the grammar and use of English in this article is up to being in Wikipedia's "shop window". I stopped by to see if I could come up with a hookier hook, but in several places I was honestly unsure what was being communicated.
Could I suggest a thorough copy edit. A possibility re this is a GOCE Request. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:56, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
@Gog the Mild: What part, by example, can you suggest is deficient?Lihaas (talk) 04:42, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Marcel Comeau

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 23:05, 2 October 2018 (UTC).

The Nature of Prejudice

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 11:25, 2 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg -- there is work to do here. For starters, it would be nice to have sections. And the book cover. Second, it needs a copy edit; I made a few obvious ones, but I note that the third paragraph starts with a grammatical error. In the second note the book title needs to be italicized; etc. Oh, the claim in the last sentence needs to be ascribed to someone; we can't be saying it I suppose a summary of the book isn't mandatory, but it would be nice--it's what we expect from a book article. Now, the hook is verified, the article is new enough and long enough and I smell no plagiarism, but it needs serious cleanup. Drmies (talk) 21:56, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Why I don't disagree with you, the issues you are raising are IMHO irrelevant to the DYK (now, if this was a WP:GAN, you'd be dead right). Quality issues like this are not part of the DYK requirements. I am of course happy if people would like to expand things, but I don't believe it is necessary. Btw, I don't see the grammar error. Also, I don't see the need for attribution (the sentence is cited, after all). Lastly, academic books don't have plot summary sections, the content of the book is already summarized. I guess we could add a chapter list? PS. I did add an infobox (through again, it is not required for a DYK; it's not like I am self-assessing this article any higher than start, maybe C-class...). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:35, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Piotrus, we've danced this dance before. I'm happy you wrote this up, it's important, but if we're putting it on the front page it should be representative of our quality. The grammar error is in "Describing the book significance"--needs to have a genitive for "book". I didn't say "plot summary", I said summary, and the only thing the article says about the book is the one sentence about some scale. The rest is all caught up inside reviewers' remarks. Having a summary is a Good Thing. I don't care about the infobox, BTW, though lots of people do. And the attribution, that is necessary. That it's cited is beside the point: what matters is that an opinion is cited ("One of the reasons for its success"), and it may be a very reasonable and well-argued opinion, but it's not a fact. Thus, attribution. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:16, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Drmies Yes, we danced this indeed, and as I am sure I said it before, your standards are too high for DYK. If you see a grammar error, please fix it. I am not a native speaker and occasionally I don't see them. I stand by what I said - all your other requests, while all beneficial to the article (except the attribution, which I say is not needed through harmless) are not required for this to be on the front page. If you have a problem with that, try changing DYK requirements/guidelines. Ping User:BlueMoonset for 3O. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:34, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
    Well, I am not a native speaker either, and I'm not your copyeditor. Yngvadottir, thank you so much for looking over the article, and for the attribution--which of course is necessary, given NPOV. Good day Piotrus. Drmies (talk) 13:50, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

2018 National League Central tie-breaker game, 2018 National League West tie-breaker game

Created by Muboshgu (talk), Spanneraol (talk), Mdumas43073 (talk), and Eposty (talk). Nominated by Muboshgu (talk) at 03:17, 2 October 2018 (UTC).

  • The above noms have redundant highlighted links and WP:EASTEREGGs. I think we should use informative links for the readers as suggested below. Any comments?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:51, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
  • The editing seems to be winding down and limited to the aftermath at this point. However, we now know the aftermath will not conclude until the season is over. I am actually quite shocked that the article is being presented without any mention that the Rockies were going for their first ever NL West title, which is as important as the Dodgers being 5x defending champs.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:14, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I realize that there is a whole featured topic of these to be modeled after, but I think each article should say Team A was going for their Xth National League Division title and Yth National League Foo Division title (if the team has moved divisions like the Cubs) for each team.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:31, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • The above are suggestions. However, here is the review:
Both articles are long enough and new enough.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:34, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
I prefer the ALT2 that I have nominated to the other noms and consider this an interesting, well-formed hook.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:38, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Content is within policy.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:38, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
There are still no QPQ reviews presented.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:41, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Although I am not sure why, there are no images. It would seem to me that some biographical photos could be included, but I realize there are probably no photos from the game to include.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:43, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
Can we get a citation for "This game was also in fact the first National League divisional tiebreaker ever to not involve the Dodgers."-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:50, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't know who added that sentence, and can't find a source saying that, so I deleted it. I'll do qpq shortly. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:47, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Isn't there a page somewhere on the internet that lists all NL tie-breaker results historically?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:08, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
The best appears to be this. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:02, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Which points out to me that the statement I removed was false, because the Dodgers were not involved in 1998 National League Wild Card tie-breaker game. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:03, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
I thought divisional tie-breakers and Wild Card tie-breakers were different things. Why would a Wild Card tie-breaker invalidate the prior statement?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:34, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Hina Kino

  • ... that Hina Kino was inspired to become a voice actress after watching a talk show produced by the gaming magazine Famitsu? Source: [24] (木野:中学3年生の時にいろんな出来事が重なったんです。まず、「ファミ通TV」を観たことで声優さんという存在を知って、たまたま同時期に公開されていた映画「ONE PIECE THE MOVIE エピソードオブチョッパー+ 冬に咲く、奇跡の桜」を観て、アニメってこんなに面白いんだ…と。あと、当時通っていた塾の塾長が、会うたびに「声がいいねぇ」と言ってくださったこともあって、高校に入る頃には、声優になろう!って。)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Windscale Piles
  • Comment: Additional hook suggestions welcomed; the source I linked above has quite a bit of information about her that could work as hook materials, for example her calling anime "funny" or her being nervous and "practicing furiously" during her first role.

Created by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:31, 2 October 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 3[edit]

Solo 66

A Skat pack with French-suited cards
A Skat pack with French-suited cards
  • ... that Solo 66 is a trick-taking card game for 5 players, played with a French-suited Skat pack, that is considered "an entertaining game for a larger group"? Source: "Geeignet als unterhaltsames Spiel in größerer Runde." Claus D. Grupp: Kartenspiele. Falken-Verlag Erich Sicker, Wiesbaden 1975; pp. 63–64. ISBN 3-8068-2001-5, and "Solo 66. Für 5 Spieler. Zum Spiel gehören: 1 Skatspiel, franz. Bild ohne 7 und 8" Spielesammlung - ASS gaming rules.

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 19:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC).

Der Schuhu und die fliegende Prinzessin

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 13:53, 10 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg New enough ☑Y. Long enough ☑Y. Well referenced ☑Y. Structure and style ☑Y. My only query is the hook: it's a good one, but the sources I can see don't mention 2 empires and make such scant reference to 2 orchestras that I'm left wondering what they really mean (e.g. 2 choirs?). Gerda, if the sources are offline, are you able to cite the words that support the hook along with the source info? If you can, I'm willing to accept that in good faith as it does seem to chime with the information I can see. MfG. Bermicourt (talk) 19:56, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you, will see. I was a bit in a rush to get this going before the maintenance. I reviewed now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Found a ref which says "... daB das Orchester in zwei gleichmäßig besetzte Gruppen zerfällt, die einander gegenüberstehen, und zwar aus dramaturgischem Grunde: Sie symbolisieren die zwei Reiche, die einander bekriegen". Will put that in the article but some other things need to be done first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:56, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  • That's great, let me know when you're ready and I'll do a final review. Bermicourt (talk) 19:54, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Bermicourt, I took some over. There could be more, but I guess I'll put that to the composer's article eventually. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Elizabeth Byrd

Created by Julia W (talk). Self-nominated at 13:22, 5 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Julia W: Can you just make sure all paragraphs end in a citation and that there are no remaining BLP concerns? I removed or amended some passages that I could not find sources for, or where the sources did not cover the full extent of what is written in the article. HTH. Looks good otherwise. Samsara 08:18, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Samsara: Good call, thank you, I've added in references where indicated. One of the parts you took out I agree with leaving out. Please check over? Julia\talk 13:18, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Lapa do Santo

View from the rockshelter entrance
View from the rockshelter entrance
  • ALT1 that Lapa do Santo, in Minas Gerais, Brazil, has evidence of human occupation around 12,000 years ago, as well as the oldest recorded case of decapitation in the Americas? Source: [26] [27]
Reviewed The Sensorites

Created by Strauss MAE-USP (talk). Nominated by Mike Peel (talk) at 21:51, 3 October 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg epicgenius (talk) 01:15, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

@Epicgenius: Thanks for the review. Can you have another look? I've proposed a longer hook, ALT1, above. @Strauss MAE-USP: has added references. The similar phrases look minimal to me, are there particular ones you think need rewriting? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:58, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
@Strauss MAE-USP and Mike Peel: ALT1 looks much better. I definitely might be interested by the first recorded decapitation in the Americas. So you have my thumbs up for that one. I really only have three concerns with copyvios, and here they are:
  • "the reduction of the body by means of mutilation, defleshing, tooth removal, exposure to fire and possibly cannibalism, followed by the secondary burial of the remains according to strict rules" - possibly unattributed direct quote
  • "the oldest case of decapitation in the New World" and "were filled with disarticulated bones of a single" - these phrases are too close to the quoted text, even a paraphrase would be good.
  • "three distinct periods of human occupation" - same as above from this source.
That's all of the phrases I was concerned about. Now for the sourcing:
  • "The rockshelter and the archaeological site" doesn't have any sources. A general rule of thumb is to aim for at least one source per paragraph.
  • "Mobility" still doesn't have any sources.
  • The ends of many paragraphs don't have sources. In some cases only the first sentence has a source. On the other hand, all of the references look reliable and authoritative. My issue is with the placement of the sources. Could you move them to the end of the paragraph?
That's all of the outstanding DYK issues. Now going off on a few personal style nitpicks:
  • Although not necessary, I'd also suggest cleaning up this article to comply with some MOS guidelines. For instance, putting the periods before the references.
  • I'm concerned that there are way too many images in this article (there are 231 in total, but only about 4 thumbnail images, the rest are in galleries). WP:NOTGALLERY. Have you considered creating a gallery on Commons?
Sorry to bother you with all these issues. I know it sounds like a lot, but from the looks of it, this article probably does not need that many modifications to get it into good shape for DYK. On a personal note, I am impressed by Strauss MAE-USP's work on this article with over 25 kB of prose size. Maybe this can be nominated as a good article later. epicgenius (talk) 17:59, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
@Epicgenius: sorry for the delay in following this up. I've sorted out the copyvio issues, and quickly checked through the style formatting. I don't think that a gallery on commons would be useful (they fell out of style on Commons quite a while back now), although I'd agree that there are too many pictures here right now. I started this nom after seeing @Strauss MAE-USP's work here, I don't know the subject myself, so I can't help with improving the referencing so much. Maybe @Joalpe: can help there? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:51, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Oswald Boelcke

  • ... that Oswald Boelcke is considered "the father of air combat"? Source: "Oswald Boelcke did not invent air-to-air tactics, the squadron organizational system, or the German Air Force. Still, his contributions to air warfare are so profound, he is considered the father of all three."

  • ALT1: ... that Oswald Boelcke is considered the father of air combat tactics, the organization of squadrons, and the German Air Force?

Source: "Oswald Boelcke did not invent air-to-air tactics, the squadron organizational system, or the German Air Force. Still, his contributions to air warfare are so profound, he is considered the father of all three." The title of the major source for this article is "Oswald Boelcke: Germany's First Fighter Ace and Father of Air Combat", and the entirety of the book is devoted toward proving this point.

Improved to Good Article status by Georgejdorner (talk) and Peacemaker67 (talk). Nominated by Georgejdorner (talk) at 13:35, 3 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The source provided does not actually include the quote "the father of air combat". Catrìona (talk) 06:49, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
    • The title of the major source for this article is "Oswald Boelcke: Germany's First Fighter Ace and Father of Air Combat", and the entirety of the book is devoted toward proving this point.Georgejdorner (talk) 15:21, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 4[edit]

Iran's 2018 lawsuit at ICJ against United States

  • Reviewed: not done yet

Created by Mhhossein (talk). Self-nominated at 20:11, 11 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New article; created within 7 days before nomination; prose is longer than 1500 characters; supported by inline citations; no copyvios detected; neutrally written; hook verified by English-language source.
I do have a question about the hook: the AJ article states that the order was "interim" and that it was "not binding". So I wonder if the hook may be overstating things. I would appreciate a second opinion. K.e.coffman (talk) 17:22, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you K.e.coffman for the review. I've noticed your ping and I should thank Serial Number 54129 for his suggestion. I think the following hook would more accurate:
ALT1:...that the U.S. was ordered by the World Court to lift some of Iran sanctions related to "humanitarian goods and civil aviation"? NYTimes
How's it? --Mhhossein talk 20:53, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Renate Behle

Renate Behle in 2010
Renate Behle in 2010

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 14:55, 11 October 2018 (UTC).

German torpedo boat T23

Alsterufer burning after a RAF bomber attack
Alsterufer burning after a RAF bomber attack
  • ... that when the blockade runner MV Alsterufer (pictured) the German torpedo boat T23 had orders to protect was sunk by a Royal Air Force bomber, the German ship continued to the rendezvous point where two British cruisers were instead? Source: page 98 of Hervieux, Pierre (1986). "The Elbing Class Torpedo Boats at War". In Lambert, Andrew. Warship X. London: Conway Maritime Press. pp. 95–102. ISBN 0-85177-449-0.
    • ALT1:... that instead of meeting the blockade runner MV Alsterufer (pictured) at a fixed rendezvous point in the Atlantic Ocean, the German torpedo boat T23 encountered two British cruisers, Alsterufer having been sunk by a Royal Air Force bomber? Source: page 98 of Hervieux, Pierre (1986). "The Elbing Class Torpedo Boats at War". In Lambert, Andrew. Warship X. London: Conway Maritime Press. pp. 95–102. ISBN 0-85177-449-0.
  • Reviewed: 4th DYK, not needed

Created by L293D (talk). Self-nominated at 03:06, 10 October 2018 (UTC).

Marcy Tigner

  • ... that Little Marcy was made by the same company who made Charlie McCarthy? Source: Bullock, page 52.
    • ALT1:... that Marcy Tigner sold more than 2 million albums using her child-like voice? Source: Statesman Journal. Salem, Oregon. February 20, 1982. p. 20: "She has made 40 Christian albums for children during the past 20 years, and more than 2 million copies have been sold."

Created by 78.26 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:29, 9 October 2018 (UTC).

Andrew Steiner, Karol Hochberg

  • Comment: It's appropriate to call him "Andrej Steiner" here, since that is how he is referred to in all of the sources relating to his role in Holocaust resistance, and he did not change his name to Andrew until he moved to the US.
  • Reviewed: Soviet partisans in Finland, Donald Liebenberg

Created/expanded by Catrìona (talk). Self-nominated at 01:44, 7 October 2018 (UTC).

Memoriale della Shoah

Source: A Wall of Indifference: Italy's Shoah Memorial" & "'We could not remain indifferent': Milan's Holocaust Museum now a shelter for African refugees"
  • Comment: The option also exists to hold this until 6 December, the 75th anniversary of the first train from Milan to Auschwitz, and use the below, rather sombre, hook, as long as people don't feel putting it on the main page like this trivialises the events.
Source: Timeline – from 1922 to 1945 (in Italian, mostly)

Created by Turismond (talk). Self-nominated at 12:56, 4 October 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol voting keep.svg I was about to create this page and suggest ALT2 (below). However, I really like ALT1 or its variation, ALT3, below—some might take exception to the fact that some deportees might have been removed from Auschwitz and died in other concentration camps. I recommend that the hook is held until 6 December. You have a very minor close paraphrasing issue according to Earwig.

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg for ALT2 and ALT3. Catrìona (talk) 21:10, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

  • I have rephrased that sentence, the Earwig score has now come down to 2.9%. In regards to Auschwitz you do have a point there. The translation of the source states The first convoy of Jewish deportees to Auschwitz-Birkenau departs from an underground railway of the Milan Central Station. It includes 169 people, of which 5 will survive, which doesn't quite support that they were actually killed there. I think your Alt 3 addresses that issue of uncertainty. Turismond (talk) 08:07, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 5[edit]

German torpedo boat T24

T24 (foreground) and Z24 under attack
T24 (foreground) and Z24 under attack
  • ... that after being damaged twice while escorting blockade runners and hitting two mines, the German torpedo boat T24 (pictured) was sunk by air-launched rockets? Source: page 347 of Rohwer, Jürgen (2005). Chronology of the War at Sea 1939-1945: The Naval History of World War Two (Third Revised ed.). Annapolis, Maryland: Naval Institute Press. ISBN 1-59114-119-2.

Created by L293D (talk). Self-nominated at 14:42, 11 October 2018 (UTC).

Wen Fong

  • ... that Wen Fong co-founded the first Ph.D. program in Chinese art and archaeology in the United States, at Princeton University? Source: refs 1 & 2

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 07:09, 11 October 2018 (UTC).

Xia Chao

Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 19:57, 10 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, neutral, and well referenced. I find ALT1 more interesting, and it's supported by reliable sources, although I have to AGF as Google books does not let me read them. QPQ is done. No copyvio found. I'd suggest a slightly modified ALT1 for conciseness and better grammar:
  • ALT1a:... that following his failed rebellion in 1926, governor Xia Chao was executed and his severed head was displayed on a spike?
-Zanhe (talk) 23:02, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Muhammad Tapar's anti-Nizari campaign

  • ... that Seljuk sultan Muhammad Tapar's campaign against the outnumbered Nizari Ismailis (the Assassins) eventually failed after a decade of war? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by ZxxZxxZ (talk). Self-nominated at 18:25, 9 October 2018 (UTC).


Violet Friend

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 17:41, 5 October 2018 (UTC).

General eligiblity:

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Red XN - Not done
Overall: Symbol question.svg Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:34, 6 October 2018 (UTC)


  • ... that a small group of besieged Nizari Ismailis (the Assassins) in Shahdiz fortress refused offer of a safe withdrawal and fought against the Seljuk army from tower to tower in a last stand? Source: "Aḥmad and his small band of Nezārīs fought the Saljuqs gallantly from tower to tower" [28]

Created by ZxxZxxZ (talk). Self-nominated at 17:20, 5 October 2018 (UTC).

Ratna Ani Lestari

Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 13:01, 5 October 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 6[edit]

Brennan's Criterion Bar

Created by Leitirlad (talk). Self-nominated at 01:11, 7 October 2018 (UTC).

Sheng Zhongguo

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 07:32, 11 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg New enough, long enough, well written, and properly sourced. QPQ done. But Earwig found what looks to me like too much close paraphrasing from http://www.thestrad.com/chinese-violinist-zhongguo-sheng-dies-aged-77/8174.article (e.g. source for the hook claim "In 1980 the Australian Broadcasting Corporation listed him as one of ‘the world’s greatest artists" vs our article changed only from active to passive "In 1980, he was listed by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation as one of the world's greatest artists.") and from http://en.chinaculture.org/library/2008-01/11/content_43033.htm (source: "His father, Sheng Xue, was a famous violinist and professor who taught at the Central Conservatory of Music and Nanjing Arts Institute. His mother, Zhu Bing, majored in vocal music."; our article, "His father, Sheng Xue, was a well known violinist and professor of Central Conservatory of Music and Nanjing Arts Institute. His mother Zhu Bing was a vocalist.") And the incredibly boring hook conveys no useful information about the subject and probably violates WP:PEACOCK. Can't we find something more distinctive to say about him than "he played really well"? —David Eppstein (talk) 20:31, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
@David Eppstein: Thanks for your review. The close paraphrasing is mainly of proper names and set phrases. I've put "one of the world's greatest artists" in quotation marks and edited the other sentence as well, please check again. I disagree with your "peacock" comment. WP:PEACOCK refers to "Words such as these are often used without attribution" while the hook is clearly attributed. In fact, WP:PEACOCK uses the sentence "Dylan was included in Time's 100: The Most Important People of the Century" as an example of factual statements. And there's a huge difference between playing well and being named by a major broadcaster as one of the world's greatest artists, an honour that is prominently mentioned by most of his obituaries. I can't imagine how you can treat them as the same. -Zanhe (talk) 23:03, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
So you disagree that the close paraphrasing that I specifically identified is a problem and that the bad hook is bad. I suppose that's a response, but it's not one that's going to lead me to pass your hook. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:08, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
I thought I addressed the close paraphrasing issue with edits including putting the set phrase in quotes. I disagreed with your assessment of the hook as uninteresting/peacock. Please read my reasoning and reconsider. -Zanhe (talk) 23:20, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
The problem is not the set phrase, it is that you are constructing the article by taking sentences from the source and making minor changes to individual words while repeating the same concepts in the same order. That is close paraphrasing and it is not ok. You need to internalize the concepts involved and then present them in your own order, in your own language, not merely by making cosmetic changes to someone else's writing. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:15, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
The sentences highlighted by Earwig were made of long proper names and phrases strung together with simple words. I've further edited the article and deleted some info ("professor of Central Conservatory of Music and Nanjing Arts Institute") which I don't think I can paraphrase further without making it sound unnatural. Earwig now reports 5.7%. Please check again. Thanks. -Zanhe (talk) 03:25, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
@David Eppstein: I've edited the article to address your concerns. Did you see my message from a week ago? -Zanhe (talk) 21:59, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
It still seems very similar to the sources to me and you still haven't proposed an interesting-enough hook. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:16, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg It appears we're in disagreement. Requesting third opinion. -Zanhe (talk) 22:25, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

German torpedo boat T22

Sister ship T35
Sister ship T35
  • ... that after crippling one British destroyer, escorting five blockade runners, and participating in two battles, the German torpedo boat T22 (sister ship pictured) was ultimately blown up by a naval mine? Source: page 211 of *Whitley, M. J. (1991). German Destroyers of World War Two. Annapolis, Maryland: Naval Institute Press. ISBN 1-55750-302-8.
    • ALT1:... that the German torpedo boat T22 (sister ship pictured), along with two other destroyers, was blown up by a naval mine while laying a minefield? Source: page 211 of *Whitley, M. J. (1991). German Destroyers of World War Two. Annapolis, Maryland: Naval Institute Press. ISBN 1-55750-302-8.

Created by L293D (talk). Self-nominated at 12:46, 8 October 2018 (UTC).

Alfred George Pither

Mark 1A Light Weight Air Warning (LW/AW) Radar.
Mark 1A Light Weight Air Warning (LW/AW) Radar.
  • ... that Wing Commander Alfred George Pither established a network of radar stations (example pictured) in Northern Australia? Source: "He established a chain of long-range radar stations throughout Australia and the Pacific." ([29])

Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:07, 6 October 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 7[edit]

Andrew B. Turnbull

Created/expanded (moved to mainspace on Oct 7) by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:45, 7 October 2018 (UTC).

John FitzWalter, 2nd Baron FitzWalter

  • ... that in 1342 John, Lord FitzWalter accused men from Colchester of invading and damaging his park at Lexden, and soon after, besieged the town for over two months?
    Source: For 1342, V. C. H. (1994). A History of the County of Essex. IX: The Borough of Colchester. London: Victoria County History; for FitzWalters accusations, Starr, C. (2004). "Fitzwalter family (per. c. 1200–c. 1500)", Oxford Dictionary of National Biography; for te damage done, Furber, E. C. (1953). Essex Sessions of the Peace, 1351, 1377-1379. Colchester: Essex Archaeological Society; for the link between the two events, Britnell, R. H. (1988). "The Fields and Pastures of Colchester, 1280–1350". Transactions of the Essex Archaeological and History Society. 3rd series. 19.; for the siege itself and its duration, V. C. H.

Created by Serial Number 54129 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:18, 7 October 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 8[edit]

Tawasa people

  • ... that "The Account of Lamhatty" was a document created by a man of the Tawasa people, named Lamhatty? Source: Bushnell, David (1908). The Account of Lamhatty.

Created/expanded by Amay1355 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:03, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Amay1355, the moment you work on that particular section a bit, you'll be able to write something more exciting. This hook generates no interest, since there is no reason to think it unusual that a man named X made a document named "the account of X". You have to start thinking about what is interesting or exciting about this--for other readers. Dr Aaij (talk) 00:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Robyn Bolam

Created by Kiromei (talk). Self-nominated at 16:44, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

Dorothy Vredenburgh Bush

  • Reviewed: This is my first article.

Created by Dgallery (talk). Self-nominated at 17:10, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

Baseball in Germany

  • ... that the first official baseball game in Germany took place under the Nazi regime at the 1936 Summer Olympics and the attendance of 125,000 was the largest in history for any baseball game? Source: Chetwynd, Josh (2008). Baseball in Europe. McFarland & Company, Inc., Publishers. pp. 109–126

Created by Germanboi87 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:56, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

Lee Brian Schrager

  • Reviewed: Don't have to do this in my first one

Created by Fabdoull (talk). Self-nominated at 16:49, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

Günther Morbach

  • Reviewed: Mark Judge

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 10:42, 15 October 2018 (UTC).


  • ... that the newscasts on television station XHTVL-TDT are considered to be the most important in the Mexican state of Tabasco? Source: "... del noticiero Notinueve, el más importante de la televisión tabasqueña ..."
    • ALT1:... that until being murdered in May 2018, Mexican journalist and radio station owner Juan Carlos Huerta anchored the late local newscast on television station XHTVL-TDT? (See above)

Converted from a redirect by Raymie (talk). Self-nominated at 21:46, 14 October 2018 (UTC).

Landsat 4

Museum model of the Landsat 4
Museum model of the Landsat 4
  • ... that the Landsat 4 (museum model pictured) was in operation even after the decommissioning of Landsat 5, which was launched earlier than scheduled to replace it?
  • Reviewed: Pending

Improved to Good Article status by Kees08 (talk). Nominated by Coffeeandcrumbs (talk) at 04:31, 11 October 2018 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Red XN - There's potential, but the hook is too long and rambling to capture interest.

Image eligibility:

  • Freely licensed: Red XN - I'm slightly concerned about the licence for this one, as it is a png file without metadata and I have seen images deleted under similar circumstances on Commons. Besides, I think the article's header pic would work better here.
  • Used in article: Green tickY
  • Clear at 100px: ????

QPQ: ????
Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Catrìona (talk) 01:39, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

  • Alt1 ... that the Landsat 4 was in operation for 19 years, exceeding its five-year life expectancy?
  • @Catrìona: How is this? We can go with no image since the primary image is actually supposed to be of the Landsat 5. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:29, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Well, according to the infobox it's a drawing of an identical satellite, so I don't think it would be dishonest to run it with a caption stating "Artist's rendition of an identical satellite". No image is also another option, but in that case one would have to add the word "satellite" to the hook for clarity. As for the hook, how about the following? Catrìona (talk) 06:35, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Artist's rendition of an identical satellite
Artist's rendition of an identical satellite
  • Alt2 ... that Landsat 4 (pictured) was in operation for 19 years, nearly four times as long as originally intended?

Slovak Three

  • ... that in June 2001, three members of the Real IRA tried to buy arms from Iraq, promising the men they thought were Iraqi Intelligence that their use against Britain would "bring a smile to your face"? Source: For the RIRA negotiating with Iraq, Barrett, R.; Parker, P. (2018) "Acting Ethically in the Shadows: Intelligence Gathering and Human Rights", in Nowak M. Using Human Rights to Counter Terrorism, Cheltenham: Edward Elgar Publishing; for MI5 impersonating Iraqi Intelligence, Clarke, L. (25 June 2006) "Sting by security services foils renewed Real IRA campaign", The Times; for the quote, Steele, J. (8 May 2002) "Real IRA men snared by MI5 given 30 years", The Daily Telegraph.
    • ALT1:... that in 2001, members of the Real IRA attempted to buy arms from MI5 agents, believing them to be Iraqi gunrunners, and wrote their list on a napkin which an agent blew his nose on before pocketing? For the gunrunning &Iraqi connection, Barrett & Parker, and Clarke, per ALT0; for the nose-blowing, etc, Johnston, P. (3 May 2002) "Tip-off that set up Real IRA 'Arab sting'", The Daily Telegraph.

Created by Serial Number 54129 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:57, 8 October 2018 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Green tickY
  • Other problems: Red XN - I think shorter hooks would be more effective. Just my 2c.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Well written, well over required length, excellent DYK material. Catrìona (talk) 02:05, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Einsatzgruppe H, Hlinka Guard Emergency Divisions, Kremnička and Nemecká massacres

* ... that Einsatzkommando 14 and local collaborators committed the two most notorious massacres in the history of Slovakia? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

    • ALT1:... that Einsatzkommando 14 and local collaborators committed the two largest massacres in the history of Slovakia?
    • In case three articles in one hook is too many, we could also go with:
      • ALT2a: ... that "Slovaks killed Slovaks" during the two largest massacres in the history of Slovakia? Source: Title of this article, Schön, Jozef (16 March 2017). "Keď Slovák vraždil Slováka". Hnonline (in Slovak). "When Slovaks killed Slovaks"
      • ALT2b: ... that along with murdering or deporting thousands of Jews and Romani people, Einsatzgruppe H targeted German soldiers suspected of defeatism and homosexuality?

Created by Catrìona (talk). Self-nominated at 08:39, 8 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Comment I'm fairly sure for three bolded links you need 3 reviews, or am I wrong? Juxlos (talk) 13:49, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment Where are the source texts for hooks requested in the nomination form?Georgejdorner (talk) 18:36, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
@Juxlos: You're correct, that's in the supplementary rules and I wasn't aware of it. plus Added. @Georgejdorner: It is not actually a requirement to quote sources, as long as they are cited in the article (which these are, see then end of Kremnička and Nemecká massacres). The reason why I commented on your hook is that it was odd to include a quote that did not actually support the proposed hook. There is actually no source describing the massacres as "notorious" simply because almost all sources are non-English, but being described as the "Slovak Katyn" and similar means that it's reasonable to conclude that this is the general view on the massacres in Slovakia. Catrìona (talk) 01:55, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the comment on my nom. It aided me in writing an improved hook.
I made the comments above about sourcing so you might correct the problems before you are reviewed. As your own nomination form states above (where you failed to give a source), "Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)" Hooks ALT1 and ALT2b have no sourcing whatsoever. A lenient reviewer might let you slide on ALT2a.
And, yes, I recall when mentioning your cite without a link or quote was acceptable here in DYK, but times have changed.
Best regards.Georgejdorner (talk) 02:00, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: I haven't seen a link to somewhere in the middle of a bolded article, and think it's not a good idea, - found it confusing. - And yes, 3 qpq reviews please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Thanks for your comment. There are 3 qpqs listed above. How about:
      • ALT3a: ... that Slovak collaborators participated in the two largest massacres in Slovakia during World War II? Rajcan, Vanda; Vadkerty, Madeline; Hlavinka, Ján (2018). "Slovakia". In Megargee, Geoffrey P.; White, Joseph R.; Hecker, Mel. Camps and Ghettos under European Regimes Aligned with Nazi Germany. Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos. 3. United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. ISBN 978-0-253-02373-5. p.
      • ALT3b: ... that along with murdering or deporting thousands of Jews and Romani people, Einsatzgruppe H targeted German soldiers suspected of defeatism and homosexuality? Šindelářová, Lenka (2013). "Einsatzgruppe H na povstaleckém Slovensku". Soudobé dějiny (in Czech). Prague. XX (4): 582–603. ISSN 1210-7050. p. 588

The Hexer (film)

5x expanded by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 11:23, 8 October 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 9[edit]

Requiem (Saint-Saëns)

Camille Saint-Saëns in 1875
Camille Saint-Saëns in 1875

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:23, 16 October 2018 (UTC).

Super League XXIV

  • ... that the London Broncos will play in rugby league's Super League XXIV in a rugby union stadium smaller than RFL standards? Source: Sky Sports

Created by L1amw90 (talk) and The C of E (talk). Nominated by The C of E (talk) at 07:17, 11 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @The C of E: I don't see how this hook is interesting to a broad audience. It's not that uncommon for sports teams to play games in smaller-than-normal stadiums (like DC United's occasional home games in Maryland, Seattle Sounders FC sometimes playing in its training ground, or the Los Angeles Chargers playing at a soccer-specific stadium). In addition, I feel that the hook is not interesting to non-rugby fans, and as far as I am aware, it's not uncommon for stadiums to host both union and league, and in any case the hook feels rambling. How about something simply something like "the London Broncos will play their rugby league game at a rugby union stadium?" or something to that effect? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:09, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: No, I think that this hook has sufficient interest and I don't see any reason to change it. I think the general public might find it interesting in that there will be a club that has allowed to play their matches in a stadium smaller than the league's regulations. indeed your proposed alt is basically the same as my original just without the mention of that fact so I am happy to stick with the one I have proposed. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:15, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm afraid your proposed hook is not interesting to a broad audience. Like audiences wouldn't really care about stadium sizes and the like; I'm pretty sure we've discussed something similar to this before. And in many parts of the world, smaller stadiums are the norm, not the exception. Perhaps if the RFL was a well-known league worldwide like the NFL, the Premiere League, or the IPL, but the RFL is much more niche. As such, I've gone ahead and struck the hook. Also, I'd also like to ask the opinions of fellow sports article contributor Hawkeye7 on their thoughts on both the article and the hook. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
I disagree, I think the hook is fine as it is and as I mentioned above your proposal is exactly the same as the original (less the reference to size) so what is the difference. I'm not prepared to change it at this so have unstruck it for another reviewer. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 05:32, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Once a hook has been struck, it can't normally be unstruck by the nominator, only by a reviewer; I have re-struck the hook, please do not unstrike unless me, Hawkeye7, or another editor says so. I'd wait for a second opinion here on whether or not it's appropriate, but for now, a new hook is needed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:16, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
I think you'll find that under WP:DYKRULES, there is no such rule that says that. As such, I am unstriking and prepared to wait for a new reviewer. It is certainly appropriate as it is accurate and sourced inline in the article. Subjective opinions on if it is interesting are irrelevant. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:12, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
You may wish to read the comment left by BlueMoonset on Template:Did you know nominations/Sun of Unclouded Righteousness, specifically the quote he certainly should not be unstriking any hook struck by a reviewer. With that said, I will request a second review over a WT:DYK on hook interest and will leave the hook unstruck for now while waiting for other opinions. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:38, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Boring hook. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:32, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Adding an icon reflective of a nomination without an unstruck hook. If The C of E doesn't wish to provide a new hook, then they can always withdraw the nomination. No one gets to insist on keeping their hook in the face of reviewer agreement that there are problems with it. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:25, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
  • The issue here is that it is going to be very difficult to find an interesting hook when there is so little information in the article other than the utterly routine stuff such as the format of the league and the teams in it - hardly surprising as the season hasn’t even started yet. Pawnkingthree (talk) 01:31, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset and Pawnkingthree: Per discussions on Discord and reading through the article again, would this work?
ALT1 ... that rugby league's Super League XXIV will feature a top five play-offs system?" Apparently such systems aren't actually unusual in rugby (given that the format has an article), but as a non-rugby fan, I kind of found that fact interesting since most playoff formats involve an even number of teams. Thoughts? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:42, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Let's go with ALT1. Top five playoffs are fairly common in Australia, but unusual elsewhere. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:01, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, Hawkeye7, source 3 appears to be talking about the top five playoffs system being reintroduced for promotion of one Championship League team to the Super League at the end of a season (taking the place of the Super League team with the worst record, which is relegated to the Championship League). So ALT1 is not properly sourced. The Championship League had an eight-team playoff through 2018; Super League abandoned their eight-team playoff in 2015 for a four-team playoff system if one is to believe the Super League play-offs article. That same article notes that the top five system was used from 1998 through 2001, and that fact, if it can be supported (no sourcing in the article), might make a good hook:
Reading between the lines of the Super League play-offs article, 1998 was the year of Super League III, the first year there were playoffs in Super League, and it was the top-five version that's being used anew in 2019. Again, if sourcing can be found (the only source used for Super League III is behind a paywall, and I can't check it), an even more interesting hook would be possible:
Would someone know where to find the necessary sourcing and be able to make the necessary additions to the article for these hooks to be supported, assuming they're deemed interesting enough? BlueMoonset (talk) 02:41, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
So the playing in another club's ground with permission is more boring than the playoff format? I'd have thought that would have had even less of a "broad" reach plus I find them boring therefore I do not accept these proposals so I am striking them. I am prepared to amend my hook by adding a geographical indicator to make it more "interesting":
ALT4 ... that the London Broncos will play in rugby league's predominately Northern England based Super League XXIV in a rugby union stadium smaller than RFL standards? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 12:48, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
  • That does not make the hook any more interesting in my opinion. The ALT2 and ALT3 are marginally better. Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:59, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
The C of E, I am very aware that you really want to stick with your proposal on stadium size, but multiple reviewers here have already stated that it is not a good option. ALT4 is just as bland as the original and arguably even more inaccessible, because let's face it, the average reader is unlikely to be one that cares about RFL standards or Northern England. I am unstriking ALT2 and ALT3 and have struck ALT4 as not addressing reviewer concerns; please do not revert unless told to by a reviewer, as this is considered going against reviewer consensus. Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I will also make a request at WT:DYK for an uninvolved editor to make the full review here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:35, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
ALT5 ... that London Broncos defeated Toronto Wolfpack to earn promotion to the mostly Northern England based Super League XXIV? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 15:51, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm afraid that's not really a good hook either, although it's probably a better option than ALT0 and ALT4. The problem is that promotion and relegation isn't unusual at all and most readers would be unfamiliar with either team. With that said, the opinions of previous reviewers @Pawnkingthree, BlueMoonset, Hawkeye7, and The Rambling Man: would still be appreciated here, since this is a new proposal. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:55, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Fail. There's nothing interesting in a league that's yet to start, no matter how contrived anyone tries to make it. Send in Vanamonde93 to find something here given he's solely in charge of what is and what is not interesting, despite allowing dozens of hooks go through to the main page, including those which are on the main page today, apart from just one that I was involved with. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:51, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
    This is getting rather tiresome: there was absolutely no cause to ping me here. I have pulled hooks for reasons of interest on several occasions. I do so typically when I promote a prep to queue, or promote a special occasion hook, which is what brought me to your hook. If you think I'm giving you special attention, I'm flattered, but I don't have that sort of time. FTR, the original hook is not interesting to a broad audience. Vanamonde (talk) 21:56, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
    Yet this so-called admin who has seen "more football than most" deems other hooks instantly boring? Wow. This may be tiresome, but this is the lot you have chosen. Fail this, and I will continually question Vanamonde93 as to why every boring hook that gets through hasn't been pulled. That's reasonable given the short shrift the hook I proposed was given, yet pulled and then replaced with a bunch of shit, without any kind of apology. Even now. So, that's your lot Vanamonde, deal with it. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:01, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
    That makes no sense. I will pull hooks only when I review them at some stage of the process. If you think I ought to check every hook posted to the main page, please think again. Vanamonde (talk) 22:06, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
    No, of course, you only check the hooks you read. Revelation. So this hook falls squarely, more squarely, into Vanamonde's "not interesting" loop, and certainly mine too. Fail this nomination, move on. Looking forward to the next revelation from this admin. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
    So you didn't have a good reason to ping me, because I was uninvolved, and you were not asking for my input. Please don't ping me under those circumstances again. Vanamonde (talk) 22:22, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
    Please don't act unilaterally against consensus and introduce errors at the last moment. Please approach DYK consistently. Please try harder. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:44, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I agree with TRM that there is fundamentally nothing interesting that can be said about a league that has yet to start. I don't find the fact that there's one London based team and the rest are northern interesting enough for a broad audience. Not every new article is suitable for DYK and I think this should be failed.Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:05, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
@Pawnkingthree: I disagree. Just because something is new doesn't mean that it can't be suitable for DYK. Yes the league has yet to begin, that doesn't mean something can't be said about it. For example, I actually like the part about that Top 5 playoffs; as mentioned above, it appears to be common in Australia but not elsewhere, and as a sports fan I found it unusual that their playoffs system had an odd number of teams. With that said, I'd like to hear your thoughts on ALT2 and ALT3; if you don't like them, I'd like to hear The C of E's thoughts one more time, and if we can't get into an agreement, I'm willing to fail this. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:03, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Neil Matthews (footballer, born 1967)

  • ... that footballer Neil Matthews was the first Rochdale player to win an international cap at any level? Source: NIFG The Who's Who of Cardiff City by Dean Hayes "he did manage the honour of being Dale's first international representative of any kind"

Created by Kosack (talk). Self-nominated at 18:45, 9 October 2018 (UTC).

LeCompte maneuver

  • ... that the LeCompte maneuver helps surgeons switch a baby's aorta and pulmonary artery? Source: "Anterior translocation of the pulmonary arteries (PAs) in relation to the aorta was first described by LeCompte in 1981 in his description of a new technique of the arterial switch operation (ASO) for d-transposition of great arteries (TGA)."

5x expanded by Keilana (talk). Self-nominated at 15:24, 9 October 2018 (UTC).

  • General eligiblity:
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg I'm afraid it's a bit too short for a DYK nomination, but should be salvageable with some more work.

Content-wise, the sentence "cutting the main pulmonary artery and moving it anterior to the aorta before continuing the reconstruction of the great vessels" is not clear. Firstly, the verb "moving" is confusing - does the procedure involve simply pushing the cut end of the main pulmonary artery around or attaching it anterior to the aorta? I'm assuming it's the latter, but the mental image persists. Secondly, this sentence mentions reconstruction of the great vessels, while the next one talks about reconstruction of the right ventricular outflow tract (part of the heart itself, not the vessels). Might be good to clarify.

Other aspects ok. — Yerpo Eh? 12:19, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Karel František Koch

Created by Catrìona (talk). Self-nominated at 06:51, 9 October 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 10[edit]

Zamira Hajiyeva

Harrods at night
Harrods at night
  • ... that Zamira Hajiyeva spent £16 million at London department store Harrods (pictured) over ten years? Source: "A woman who spent £16m at Harrods in a decade can now be identified as Zamira Hajiyeva" (and [32] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: not yet done

Created by Edwardx (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 22:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I've read about her case on BBC. Article is new enough, long enough, neutrally written, and well referenced. Hook is interesting and verified with inline references. No copyvio detected. Image is freely licensed. Awaiting QPQ. -Zanhe (talk) 22:37, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Martin Hellinger

Martin Hellinger
Martin Hellinger
  • ... that Nazi dentist Martin Hellinger (pictured) was sentenced to 15 years jail for removing dental gold from those killed at Ravensbrück, but released in 1955 and received a grant to establish a dental practice?
  • ALT1 ... that following sentencing in 1947 and early release in 1955, Nazi dentist Martin Hellinger (pictured) received a special grant to re-establish his dental practice?

Created by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Self-nominated at 16:39, 16 October 2018 (UTC).

Whose Boat Is This Boat?

  • ... that Donald Trump accidentally wrote a children's book? Source: "Now the children’s book is actually going to be published, and will be out Nov. 6 (midterm election day), Colbert announced on his show Thursday and on Twitter. The author is 'Donald Trump (by accident).' Every quote was actually said by Trump." The Huffington Post

Created by GreenMeansGo (talk). Self-nominated at 12:10, 16 October 2018 (UTC).

Edgecliff (Winnetka, Illinois)

  • ... that Edgecliff was the building with the highest residential property tax in Cook County in 2014 and 2015?
  • Comment: I realize that this is not yet 1500 characters. There is a book coming from the Chicago Public Library. I will pick up "North Shore Chicago: Houses of the Lakefront Suburbs, 1890-1940" on the 18th.

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 05:36, 16 October 2018 (UTC).

Tribulation 99: Alien Anomalies Under America, Spectres of the Spectrum, Mock Up on Mu

Craig Baldwin with his collection of films
Craig Baldwin with his collection of films

Created by Hinnk (talk). Self-nominated at 03:49, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

Kevin Beattie

Beattie in 2007
Beattie in 2007
  • ... that the footballer Kevin Beattie was described by former England manager Bobby Robson as the best England player he had ever seen? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that despite being described as the best England player Bobby Robson had ever seen, Kevin Beattie made just nine appearances for England? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Improved to Good Article status by The Rambling Man (talk). Self-nominated at 19:33, 14 October 2018 (UTC).

Lucas van Foreest

  • Reviewed: Less than five DYK credits.

Created by Hrodvarsson (talk). Self-nominated at 23:02, 10 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. Unable to check for close paraphrasing as most sources are foreign-language. Most of the references are pretty bare URLs; please format them using WP:Citation templates. Image is freely licensed. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits.
  • The hook is okay, but I'm wondering if you would mind condensing some of the names for international readers who probably won't recognize them?
  • ALT1: ... that 17-year-old Dutch chess grandmaster Lucas van Foreest has a brother, great-great grandfather, and great-great uncle who are all Dutch Chess Champions? Yoninah (talk) 17:40, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Pachara Chirathivat

Pachara Chirathivat
Pachara Chirathivat
  • ... that while shooting a strangling scene from the 2012 film Countdown, Pachara Chirathivat (pictured) was already suffocating while the crew continued shooting?

5x expanded by 001Jrm (talk). Self-nominated at 21:20, 10 October 2018 (UTC).

Saphir-class submarine (1928)

Scale model of Saphir
Scale model of Saphir

Created by L293D (talk). Self-nominated at 16:19, 10 October 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 11[edit]

Wolfgang Rennert

  • Reviewed: to come Black-collared starling
  • Comment: Confession: we are late, I forgot that LouisAlain created this already on 11 October. There would be enough material for more expansion, but it seems a bit unfair to other great conductors. IRA, please?

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 13:53, 20 October 2018 (UTC).

Toshio Hosokawa

  • ... that Toshio Hosokawa composed an oratorio Voiceless Voice in Hiroshima? Source: several
    • ALT1:... that Toshio Hosokawa composed several operas based on Japanese Noh theatre, including Visions of Lear after Shakespeare? Source: several

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 13:49, 18 October 2018 (UTC).

Helen Hays (ornithologist)

Helen Hays on Great Gull Island
Helen Hays on Great Gull Island
  • ... that since 1969, ornithologist Helen Hays (pictured) has lived half the year on an island owned by American Museum of Natural History? Source: "[T]he American Museum of Natural History bought the old fort and asked [Hays] to pay a visit...Working out of the old barracks, she and a handful of volunteers are the only ones living here six months a year." CBS News "Ms. Hays, who since 1969 has lived on the island six months a year" NYT
    • ALT1:... that in the half-century of ornithologist Helen Hays's (pictured) conservation work, the near-extinct tern population of Great Gull Island increased tenfold? Source: "The terns were on the verge of extinction. Hunters seeking their beautiful feathers for hats decimated the population in the early 20th century. As few as 2,500 birds remained...Today their numbers are thriving: some 26,000 terns are on the island" CBS News
  • Reviewed: TK

Created by The lorax (talk) and Innisfree987 (talk). Nominated by Innisfree987 (talk) at 05:11, 18 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Interesting life, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. The image is licensed, but a little "restless" in small size, it also shows no island but interior. I'd prefer ALT1 (not just living somewhere but results!), but please reword it in a way without possessive followed by the pictured-clause, best no possessive at all but her active ;) - Also waiting for qpq. - Suggestions for the article: find a way to have the link to Island before the committee, and mention what ALT1 says in the lead. Try to avoid one-sentence paragraphs, and merge the Manhattan sence to somewhere else, - doesn't deserve its own para ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Please do not include the word "extinct" when describing historical population statuses of either common terns or roseate terns. Terms such as "near-extinct" and "verge of extinction" are factually incorrect and result only from hyperbole/misunderstanding by the CBS journalist. North American roseate tern populations were indeed devastated by the millinery trade in the nineteenth century and were saved only by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918. North-eastern US populations rebounded until 1930, when the rising presence of humans increased predation by racoons and other animals. While regionally the terns were certainly threatened with extirpation, as a species with a global distribution, their survival has never been threatened. The IUCN Red List assessments only date back to 1988, where roseate terns were listed as "near threatened". Common terns are much more abundant and have never been at risk. Loopy30 (talk) 12:35, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Could we simply drop the term? A tenfold increase seems impressive enough to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Certainly! I had already corrected the article text to remove the term and did not want the DYK to be published with the same error. A tenfold increase (locally though, not globally!) is especially impressive because it occurred at a time when other regional breeding pair populations were still in decline. Loopy30 (talk) 12:57, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Edmonds, Washington

The Edmonds, Washington gazebo
The Edmonds, Washington gazebo
  • Reviewed: TBD

Improved to Good Article status by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 06:59, 12 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article was promoted to GA status on October 10, the prose is long enough, and the article is within policy. The hook is under 200 characters and is interesting to a broad audience. I like the original alt over alt1. If alt1 is selected though, the photo is freely licensed and properly tagged. SounderBruce, just let me know when the QPQ is done. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 17:04, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Chawne Kimber

  • ... that mathematician Chawne Kimber was inspired to politicize her quilting by racist graffiti on her college campus, and by George Carlin's seven dirty words? Source: Chicago Tribune, "When Kimber began making quilts meant to question the use of language and boundaries, she started with a simple idea: George Carlin's well-known "Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television" monologue. ... Kimber's pain and frustration were more than she could contain. Racist graffiti had appeared at her workplace"

Created by David Eppstein (talk). Self-nominated at 20:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC).

Miluj blížneho svojho

  • ... that an antisemitic and antiziganistic statement had to be censored from a Slovak documentary about a post-Holocaust pogrom? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that Dušan Hudec criticized the removal of an antisemitic and antiziganistic statement from his film, which connected a post-Holocaust pogrom to modern-day Slovak racism?
    • ALT2:... that Slovak Jewish leaders criticized the removal of an antisemitic statement from a documentary about a post-Holocaust pogrom?
    • ALT3 ... that during the filming of a documentary about the 1945 Topoľčany pogrom, a local man stated that "Jews and Gypsies are the worst scum under the sun"?

Created by Catrìona (talk). Self-nominated at 15:52, 11 October 2018 (UTC).

Peter Bielik

Created/expanded by Catrìona (talk). Self-nominated at 13:51, 11 October 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 12[edit]

Fernando Albán Salazar

  • ... that the devout Catholic faith of Fernando Albán Salazar is primary evidence cited by family, friends, colleagues, and bishops, as a reason to not believe the story of his apparent suicide? Source: "Also expressing concern was Venezuela’s Catholic bishops’ conference and Luis Almagro, the head of the Organization of American States and a sharp critic of Venezuela’s government. [...]Friends said the councilman was a family man and devout Catholic. “Albán is a very Christian person, with deep spiritual convictions that go contrary to a decision to take one’s life,” said Joel Garcia, a lawyer who met with Mr. Albán the night before in the tribunal, and said he seemed calm." (New York Times)

Created by Jamez42 (talk) and Kingsif (talk). Nominated by Kingsif (talk) at 22:17, 20 October 2018 (UTC).

Henri Hinrichsen

Office of Edition Peters
Office of Edition Peters

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 14:17, 19 October 2018 (UTC).

Friedrich Entress

  • ... that Nazi doctor Friedrich Entress introduced the practice at Auschwitz of killing prisoners by injecting lethal doses of phenol directly into the heart?

5x expanded by Whispyhistory (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 22:48, 18 October 2018 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Recommend a slight streamlining of the hook, see below Catrìona (talk) 05:00, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

    • ALT1:... that Nazi doctor Friedrich Entress introduced the practice of killing Auschwitz prisoners with phenol injections?
    • ALT2:... that Nazi doctor Friedrich Entress introduced the practice of killing prisoners at Auschwitz by injecting phenol into the heart? (not sure he was the first to kill with phenol) Philafrenzy (talk) 10:59, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Entress introduced the method in Auschwitz. It was being performed at other camps by other Nazi physicians.[34]. Whispyhistory (talk) 07:16, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I saw that but the source says he was the first to inject directly into the heart, not the first to kill there by phenol, although he might have been that too. Philafrenzy (talk) 09:56, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
@Philafrenzy:. Correct. Phenol was already being used by injection into veins.
    • ALT3:... that Nazi doctor Friedrich Entress organised and administered phenol injections directly into the hearts of Auschwitz prisoners?

Whispyhistory (talk) 14:53, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Ernst Klink

Improved to Good Article status by K.e.coffman (talk). Self-nominated at 02:40, 18 October 2018 (UTC).

Chang Chun-Yen

  • ... that Chang Chun-Yen, a pioneer of Taiwan's hi-tech industry, was forbidden from going abroad to study because his father had been sentenced to death? Source: Refs 1 & 2

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 04:32, 17 October 2018 (UTC).


The permanent trumps in Ramsen
The permanent trumps in Ramsen
  • ... that Ramsen is a traditional Austrian and Bavarian card game that has four permanent trumps – the 7 of Bells, 9 of Bells, Ober of Acorns and Unter of Acorns – ranking just below the trump Sow? Source: "Trümpfe: Reihenfolge: Trumpf-Sau, Schell-9er (Dallmutz), Schell-7er (Belli), Eichel-Ober (großer Bube), Eichel-Unter (kleiner Bube)…" Sirch, Walter (2008). Vom Alten zum Zwanzger - Bayerische Kartenspiele für Kinder und Erwachsene - neu entdeckt. Bayerischer Trachtenverband, pp. 59/60.

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:55, 12 October 2018 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Another decent card game article, on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. The hook, and to some extent the article, have many terms that are Chinese for people unfamiliar with Bavarian card games. How about stopping the hook after "trumps"? - Suggestions for the article: please define Sich as a ref for harv citation. (I get all these ugly error messages.) Ref 3 is missing a title. You don't need a reference in the lead, as long as facts are referenced in the body. Explain "schlecken / geschleckt" to someone who doesn't know German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 13[edit]

Government of NCT of Delhi v. Union of India

Building of the Supreme Court of India
Building of the Supreme Court of India
  • Reviewed: I don't think it's needed now; less than five DYK credits (four three).
  • Comment: Created in userspace on 26 September 2018 and moved to mainspace on 13 October 2018.

Created by SshibumXZ (talk). Self-nominated at 00:52, 18 October 2018 (UTC); edited 01:01, 18 October 2018 (UTC), 20:37, 20 October 2018 (UTC), 20:38, 20 October 2018 (UTC), 22:53, 21 October 2018 (UTC) and 22:55, 21 October 2018 (UTC).


Bavarian playing cards used in Wallachen
Bavarian playing cards used in Wallachen
  • ... that, after Schafkopf and Watten, Wallachen is probably the most widely played card game in Old Bavaria and an indispensable part of Bavarian pub culture? Source: direct translation from page 2 of Rohrmayer, Erich (2015). Lerne Wallachen: Eine Spielanleitung für Anfänger, 1st edition. Amberg, Buch & Kunstverlag Oberpfalz. ISBN 9 783955 870232

Created/expanded by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 07:12, 5 September 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Length, date and neutrality checked, all good. The source is off line but accepted in good faith. In any case the online interview with Erich Rohrmayer, linked as a source in the article, also confirms most of what the hook states. If the hook isn't seen as interesting enough to a broad audience (I personally find it interesting as I have played a number of traditional Bavarian card games, also not Wallachen) an alternative hook could easily be found from the interview along the lines of Wallachen being threatened by extinction alongside the Bavarian village pups and their culture. Good to go from my side. Turismond (talk) 14:35, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg @Bermicourt: @Turismond: apologies for this, but I've had too pull the hook from the queue because there is some confusion about an apparent contradiction in the article text. The hook, and a statement in the article, say that it's the third most popular game in Old Bavaria, but that contradicts the part of the article which says it's rarely played today (although that assertion is uncited). Please could you clarify what the situation is here? Is the game still played and the third most popular? If so, perhaps amend the article text accordingly. Ping me once the issue is sorted out, and I can speed it back to the queues! Regards  — Amakuru (talk) 21:48, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

  • I've checked the sources again and tightened up the translation. Basically in 2012, Rauch and Schwarz reported that it had been very popular, but was then rare at pub tables. Rohrmayer, a Bavarian card expert, however, said in 2015 that it was still "probably" or "doubtless" (wohl can be translated either way) the 3rd most popular game in that region, which is not necessarily at odds with Rauch and Schwarz, especially as there has been a revival in traditional card games. I've added the word "probably" to the hook and tweaked the article text. Bermicourt (talk) 22:31, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure whether anything else is required from me as the original reviewer but I'm happy with the changes made by Bermicourt. Turismond (talk) 08:45, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 14[edit]

Juma Butabika

  • ... that Juma Butabika was appointed to high-ranking military positions in the government of Ugandan dictator Idi Amin despite being illiterate and considered insane even by his colleagues? (Source: Allen, Peter Jeremy (1987). Days of judgment: a judge in Idi Amin's Uganda. Kimber, p. 129)
  • Reviewed: TBD

Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 22:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC).

Dixit Dominus (Vivaldi)

  • ... that Antonio Vivaldi composed Dixit Dominus three times, each an extended setting of the vespers psalm for five soloists, choir and orchestra, and one even for double choir? Source: several
    • ALT1:... that Antonio Vivaldi composed Dixit Dominus three times, each an extended setting of the vespers psalm for five soloists, choir and orchestra, and one identified as his work in 2005?? Source: several

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:31, 21 October 2018 (UTC).

Sophie Koch

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 11:18, 21 October 2018 (UTC).

Gorgonorhynchus repens

  • ... that Gorgonorhynchus repens has an unusual sticky, branched proboscis with which it snares suitable prey? Source: "That milky goo is actually the worm’s hunting gear: a very rare branching proboscis that this aggressive predator shoots out from a specialized port to net prey, including mollusks, snails, and even other sea worms. It then drags the captured prey into its mouth and swallows it whole."

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 09:15, 21 October 2018 (UTC).

Lü Junchang‎

Darwinopterus modularis
Darwinopterus modularis

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 08:13, 18 October 2018 (UTC).

Fireworks (1947 film)

  • ... that the California Supreme Court reversed an obscenity charge for screening Kenneth Anger's Fireworks? Source: "The charge was contested, and the lawsuit made its way to the California Supreme Court, which upheld Rohauer's right to screen Fireworks" [35]
  • Reviewed: TBD

5x expanded by Hinnk (talk). Self-nominated at 20:09, 17 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is neutral, meets the required length, and is sufficiently referenced. Article 5x expanded within seven days of this nomination. Hook is interesting and sourced. Once QPQ is done, this should be good to go. – Rhain 23:39, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

Theresienstadt (1944 film)

Shooting the film
Shooting the film

5x expanded by Catrìona (talk). Self-nominated at 12:02, 17 October 2018 (UTC).

David Bennett (opera director)

  • ... that David Bennett was hired as general director of the San Diego Opera after his predecessor tried unsuccessfully to shut the opera company down? Source: In March 2015 the San Diego Opera announced his hiring as general director, replacing Ian Campbell, who left in May 2014 after unsuccessfully proposing a controversial shutdown of the opera company.[36]

Moved to mainspace by MelanieN (talk). Self-nominated at 20:26, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Interesting career, on good sources, no copyvio obvious. The hook is just fine! Suggestions for the article: Can you bring "baritone" to lead and infobox? Some frown when they read "known-for", - you might replace that by "organizations". Just for curiosity: do we know a role or two that he performed as a singer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Crown: An Ode to the Fresh Cut

  • ... that the narrator and main character of Crown: An Ode to the Fresh Cut is the author's son? Source: "It also was cool because I was able to use Derrick’s son Silas as the main character in the book." link

Created/expanded by Barkeep49 (talk). Self-nominated at 01:59, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

Edgemere Landfill

  • ... that the Edgemere Landfill in New York City was claimed to be "the longest continuously operating dump in the United States", accepting waste from 1938 to 1991? Source: NY Times 1991. "Opened in 1938, Edgemere was the longest continuously operating dump in the United States and perhaps the oldest, the Sanitation Department says."
    • ALT1:... that food waste at New York City's Edgemere Landfill was shredded and poisoned to prevent birds from interfering with operations from nearby JFK Airport? Source: NY Times 1975. "Intensifying their campaign to minimize the bird‐strike hazard at Kennedy International Airport, local authorities have applied for permission to conduct a limited food‐poisoning experiment at a nearby garbage dump. They also are erecting a grid of horizontal wires over the disposal area, which is located at Edgemere in the Rockaways."
    • ALT2:... that the Edgemere Landfill was created because New York City parks commissioner Robert Moses wanted to develop the landfill as parkland? Source: Rockaway Wave. "An extensive landscape waterfront park is planned eventually for the property now being filled by the Department of Sanitation in Edgemere on the Jamaica Bay shore. The site is between Norton and Somerfleld basins north of Almeda avenue and was originally a part of the former state lands under the jurisdiction of the Department of Marine and Aviation.""

Created by Tdorante10 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 15:36, 14 October 2018 (UTC).

Gern Nagler

  • ... that Gern Nagler successfully petitioned NFL Commissioner Bert Bell to create the league's first player pension during his only season with the Pittsburgh Steelers? Source: "Nagler was involved with the early efforts to organize a players' union, and was a key figure in the creation of the first players' pension. Nagler and Cleveland Browns end Billy Howton presented NFL Commissioner Bert Bell with a draft anti-trust lawsuit, threatening to file if the NFL did not immediately establish a pension for its players. The gambit worked, and the pension was formally established three years later." (source: The Oregonian article)
    • ALT1:... that Chicago Cardinals end Gern Nagler helped coach the Fort Sill base football team to a perfect record and a Poinsettia Bowl victory in 1954? Source: "Nagler missed the 1954 NFL season due to military service. While posted at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, Nagler helped coach the base football team to the All-Service Championship, winning the 1954 Poinsettia Bowl (source: Lawton Constitution article)

5x expanded by Caknuck (talk). Self-nominated at 09:37, 14 October 2018 (UTC).

Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on October 15[edit]

Black-collared starling

Black-collared starling
Black-collared starling

5x expanded by Gulumeemee (talk). Self-nominated at 03:37, 18 October 2018 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Solid article on good sources, no copyvio obvious. - What I don't like in both hooks is the placement of pictured in the middle of a phrase. I am not sure the grammar of "pairs run or fly after each other" works. I didn't know "preening", so the link to allopreening didn't help me much. What do you think of avoiding all this by using the sounds they make? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
The image is licensed and a good illustration. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:42, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

University of Reading War Memorial

The University of Reading War Memorial
The University of Reading War Memorial
  • ... that Herbert Maryon's University of Reading War Memorial (pictured) was originally designed to be 120 feet (37 m) tall? Source: From the University of Reading: "Herbert Maryon, a member of staff in the Fine Arts department, prepared a design for a tower 120 feet tall. Requiring an estimated sum between £5,000 and £10,000, an appeal for funds was launched in 1919. Subsequently, it became clear that it would not be possible to raise the amount needed for so ambitious a project, and in 1923 Maryon produced a design for a more modest structure."
    • ALT1:... that decades after designing the University of Reading War Memorial (pictured), Herbert Maryon conserved the finds from "the most important single discovery in British archaeology"? Source: The Times, 1965: "He had, in effect, two careers, his main life's work in the field of industrial arts and sculpture ... and, after his retirement, his work at the British Museum ... He was invited by the trustees, at the instigation of the then Keeper of British and Medieval Antiquities, later Sir Thomas Kendrick, specifically to work on the highly important and extremely difficult task of restoration of the damaged objects from the Anglo-Saxon royal ship-burial, discovered in 1939 at Sutton Hoo, the most important single discovery in British archaeology."

Created by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 14:44, 16 October 2018 (UTC).

Ridder Arena, Robert Ridder, Kathleen Ridder

Ridder Arena during the 2013 Frozen Four
Ridder Arena during the 2013 Frozen Four
  • Reviewed: Beautiful in White, Franz Schubert & Leander Dendoncker
  • Comment: This my first attempt at a hook with more than one eligible article. Ridder Arena article was expanded fivefold. Article for both Robert and Kathleen Ridder are new, less than seven days old.

5x expanded by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 01:14, 16 October 2018 (UTC).

Rhythm Inside (Loïc Nottet song)

Improved to Good Article status by Cartoon network freak (talk). Self-nominated at 14:37, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

Enclave law

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 09:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Comment:This clearly not true as it applies to Palestinians as well for example minimum wage. --Shrike (talk) 10:08, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Your statement is incorrect. Per the source provided by Icewhiz below, "a 2008 high court ruling that Israeli labor laws apply to relations between Palestinian workers and Israeli employers in settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem". So Palestinians are not covered by these laws unless they are within the Israeli settlement enclaves. Onceinawhile (talk) 13:21, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • (ec) Hook issues - there are three issues with the hook. The first is that "Enclave law" is an informal term always or almost always scare-quoted in sources (including the source cited above) - there is no single "enclave law" - it is a very large amalgamation of legislation (that applies Israeli code, e.g. the income tax, on Israeli residents of the Area) and military orders (that extends Israeli legislation to areas under the military commander). Second - saying this "applies only to Israeli settlers" is incorrect - even per the simplistic source cited this also applies to Israeli settlements. For instance, Israeli labour law applies to Palestinian workers in settlements and industrial zones - e.g. And for the roughly 3,300 Palestinians who work in Barkan, the appeal is clear. They are treated equally in the workplace, earning the same salaries and benefits as their Israeli counterparts under Israeli law.NYT or Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2011. Third - not all Israeli civil law applies - but large portions - see this source, for examples see - this and this for examples of legislation that do not apply. Icewhiz (talk) 10:17, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
See amended version below, reflecting Icewhiz’s points. Onceinawhile (talk) 13:24, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
I would suggest -
The stmt of "only within Israeli settlements" is incorrect - e.g. Amira Hass who resides in Ramallah is liable for Israeli income tax (as well as other legislation (usually - obligations) applied to Israeli citizens in the area) as it applies to any income of an Israeli citizen in the Area (is also explicitly includes area A) - income tax code, clause 3A. Icewhiz (talk) 13:39, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
This is a good improvement, thanks. Two points:
(1) Under your revised formulation of both Israeli residents and settlements, the word “only” can now be correctly added back.
(2) I haven’t seen a source for the word “process” here, unless applied to the “pipelining” method discussed in the article. So we could say “through a process of pipelining of Enclave law...”
Onceinawhile (talk) 14:09, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Point 1 - I would avoid "only", as it may be imprecise in other regards (e.g. some possible aspects of roads in area C come to mind) and I don't think it would clear with such wording that portions of Israeli law applies to Palestinians when they are in israeli settlements/zones. As for point 2 - I am not married to "process" (which is also somewhat imprecise) - however I do take issue with "Enclave laws" or "Enclave law" as an entity - there is no such entity at present and hasn't been - what there is (and one of the sources used "pipelining" for only one aspect of this - the military ordinances) is a hodgepodge of Israeli legislation applying obligations to Israeli citizens/residents in the area as well as military ordinances ("pipelines") applying copies of the Israeli law to areas under the authority of the military commander. Rubenstein (who is the original for this quote) described the resulting situation as "enclave law". "enclave law" refers to the situation created by the amalgamation of legislation - but not to the legislation itself (e.g. see the example I linked to from the tax law [37] - at a random point in 1978 the Knesset applied this specific bill to Israeli residents/citizens in the Area by adding a very small clause to bill (they then fixed this in 1994 to clarify the situation due to Oslo, and also updated following unrelated tax changes (e.g. the move from territorial taxation to worldwide personal taxation in 2002). On the VAT bill - [38] - they added a similar clause - but at a different random point in 1986 (and again, updated in 1994 due to Oslo). We could perhaps refer to a resulted in a situation of "Enclave Law" ? Icewhiz (talk) 14:43, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Lest I be accused of OR above - per Israeli police traffic enforcement guide (page 3 in the PDF) - enforcement in Area C vs. Palestinian citizens is exactly the same as in Israel with the exception of changing the law/ordinance name (פקודת התעבורה turns into צו בדבר התעבורה (יהודה ושומרון) - and "תקנות התעבורה" turns into "תקנות התעבורה (יהודה ושומרון)" - however clause numbering is the same. Icewhiz (talk) 15:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
OK. Your “resulted in” formulation would require a restructuring of the sentence - do you have something in mind? Onceinawhile (talk) 17:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
How about -
ALT1 ... that Amnon Rubinstein coined the term "Enclave law" to describe the application of large portions of Israeli civil law to Israeli settlements in the Occupied Palestinian territories?
ALT2 ... that the term "Enclave law" has heen used to describe the application of large portions of Israeli civil law to Israelis and Israeli settlements in the West Bank?
The first follows the description in ACRI of what Rubenstein wrote in 87. The second is more contemporary.Icewhiz (talk) 18:53, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Either fine with me. It would be nice to end ALT1 with "in place of the word apartheid", using the two sources at the bottom of the article, but something tells me you might object to that!
A DYK reviewer is best placed to decide between the two options. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:20, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Tying in Jeff Halper's or Jonathan Cook's opinions onto Rubenstein would be a BLP issue vs. Rubenstein. Both are probably undue in the article regardless. But I'm happy we're at agreement regarding the hook.Icewhiz (talk) 21:17, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer requested. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:23, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg Currently, there is an outstanding merge proposal and multiple cleanup tags in the article. Given the sensitivity of the topic, strongly recommend resolving them before asking for another review. Catrìona (talk) 20:32, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 16[edit]

Kirkhaugh cairns

Gold hair tress from the Kirkhaugh cairns
Gold hair tress from the Kirkhaugh cairns
  • ... that 79 years after Herbert Maryon and Joseph Alderson discovered one of Britain's earliest known metal objects in the Kirkhaugh cairns, Alderson's grandsons discovered its pair (pictured)? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "In an unlikely turn of events, two of the young boys who found the treasure – brothers, Sebastian and Luca Alderson – are the great-great grandsons of Joseph William Alderson who was part of the 1935 team."

Created by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 16:19, 22 October 2018 (UTC).

Joseph Jagger

Joseph Jagger
Joseph Jagger
  • ... that Joseph Jagger (pictured) "broke the bank at Monte Carlo"?
    • ALT1:... that ...?
  • Reviewed: To be done

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk) and Edwardx (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 21:29, 20 October 2018 (UTC).

Ismail Amat

5x expanded by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 23:37, 19 October 2018 (UTC).

Jack Brooksbank

  • ... that Jack Brooksbank, husband of Princess Eugenie, was not given a title following his marriage as there is no precident for a commoner to be given a peerage on marriage to a princess? Source: Town & Country

Converted from a redirect by Richiepip (talk), Martinevans123 (talk), and The C of E (talk). Nominated by The C of E (talk) at 09:58, 18 October 2018 (UTC).


Created/expanded by Turismond (talk). Self-nominated at 04:51, 18 October 2018 (UTC).

Rue du Tapis-Vert

  • Reviewed: Bob Jones
  • Comment: Translated from French articles, but still eligible as per 1e of the eligibility criteria

Created/expanded by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:58, 17 October 2018 (UTC).

Herman Pines

  • ... that after leaving his Polish home because of anti-semitism, Herman Pines helped develop high-octane aviation fuels that enabled the Royal Air Force to win the Battle of Britain during World War II? Source: The New York Times: (a) "Herman Pines left Poland as a young man to seek the scientific career he might have been denied in his homeland as a Jew." (b) "Herman Pines, a chemist whose contributions laid the groundwork for the production of high-octane fuels, ... helped fuel the Spitfires and Hurricanes that foiled the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain in 1940... the Government declared the formula top secret but supplied the Royal Air Force with the new, more powerful fuel."
  • Reviewed: Lamaria (in progress)
  • Comment: Suitable for display on November 11, Remembrance Day which honors war dead (not just WWI)

Created by Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk). Self-nominated at 16:47, 17 October 2018 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg Suggest rewording hook, see ALT1 below. Also please edit your article for WP:Words to watch in order to ensure neutrality and encyclopedic tone. Catrìona (talk) 04:31, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

  • ... that Herman Pines, who left Poland to avoid Jewish quotas, helped develop high-octane aviation fuels that enabled the Royal Air Force to win the Battle of Britain?
    • I disagree. Please note that anti-semitism is defined by Wikipedia itself as "hostility to, prejudice, or discrimination against Jews", all of which are factually supported by sources quoted in the Herman Pines article, which discuss conditions for Jews at Polish universities in the 1920s and 1930s. Furthermore, anti-semitism is not included in WP:Words to watch. I would therefore prefer the original. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 02:15, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
      • @Mary Mark Ockerbloom: I think you may have misinterpreted me. Some issues with Words to Watch in the article:
        • important scientific contributions
        • productive 22-year scientific collaboration
        • next major discovery
        • important war-time accomplishment
        • He has made important contributions
        • Pines' pioneering work on the catalysis of hydrocarbon reactions has been essential to the oil refining and chemical industries.
      • All of these accomplishments can (and should) be described in a more encyclopedic tone. (See WP:Words to watch). As for "antisemitism" vs. "Jewish quota", the latter is a subset of the former and since the article states that he left because of prohibitions restricting Jewish students from attending university it is more specific to say that he emigrated because of Jewish quotas rather than antisemitism, although either would be correct. Catrìona (talk) 18:24, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
        • Thank you for being clearer about your concerns, it generally makes it easier to address if you are specific. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 16:05, 22 October 2018 (UTC)


5x expanded by Maplestrip (talk). Self-nominated at 14:00, 16 October 2018 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 17[edit]

Ann Shelton

Created by SaturdayLibrarian (talk). Nominated by SL93 (talk) at 19:25, 21 October 2018 (UTC).

Ethnographic group

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 03:07, 19 October 2018 (UTC).

Haifan Lin

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 21:20, 18 October 2018 (UTC).

Lyle Wright

  • Reviewed: United States Lake Survey
  • Comment: ALT0 is meant to be short and somewhat vague while making use of alliteration. I prefer ALT0 or some variation, before going to ALT1. Thanks.

Created by Flibirigit (talk). Self-nominated at 14:34, 18 October 2018 (UTC).

Ray Evrard

Moved to mainspace by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:57, 17 October 2018 (UTC).

Aurélia Truel

  • Reviewed: Lonely Tree (2/2)
  • Comment: Translated from French, but eligible under section 1e of the DYK rules

Created by Joseph2302 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:35, 17 October 2018 (UTC).


Created by Scope creep (talk). Self-nominated at 03:41, 17 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg--
  • Plagiarisation and Close paraphrasing is very-evident.
  • semi-acoustic instrument, with the sound being generated in the traditional way by striking strings is copied in toto from the source.
  • Although having no sound board, it was much lighter is copied in toto from the source.
  • Original research
  • Usage of the words:-- micro-hammer, eighteen microphones et cetera.
  • Many lines are un-sourced. They are (probably) sourced in some of the references but as much as inline cites are not required, it's optimum to use them.
  • Prose form is quite poor.
  • The Construction section starts with:--The was semi-acoustic instrument which is meaningless.
  • The Marketing section again starts with:-- Bechstein reportedly built 150 copies of which exist today which is meaningless.The same can be said about the last line:-- and was restored in 2007 at the technical Museum Vienna ready to play and is used for concert purposes.
  • The entire paragraph reads like a marketing brochure of the piano (viz The stop has been refined by the micro pounding...., This avoids the knocking noise...... et al).A lot trivial details ( that typically hit the string at a force of 5%....) are noted.
  • Additionally, the term neo-petrof is used out of nowhere and is not even wiki-linked/ explained at a foot-note.
  • I have no idea about the 4th source.
  • This can be improved, quite a lot.Use the press-reviews and exploit the many rigorous sources which mention it, without getting bogged down into trivialities.And above all, copy-edit whatever you have written till now. (I will try to invest my own efforts, if possible:-) )
  • On a note, I have not even bothered to find out about QPQ:-)WBGconverse 07:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks WBG. That was bit of a wake up call. I never realised it was so bad. Thanks. Is it possible to take each in turn,
  • I can get rid of the plagiarism by rewording.
  • Regarding mirco hammer, I took this from the image, No. 5, mikrohammer. I thought that would be self evident. I have explained mechanics.
  • The stop has been refined by the micro pounding, technical detail of the first electric piano.
  • 5% was what made it unique, and its mentioned in a few sources. Explained.
  • I have reordered it and tried to address the points raised. scope_creep (talk) 08:36, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
  • QPQ doesnt seem to apply, as this is my first DYK. scope_creep (talk) 13:44, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

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Federal Court of Bankruptcy

Converted from a redirect by Find bruce (talk). Self-nominated at 00:47, 19 October 2018 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Creation from redirect verified as new text, well-written and long, no copyvio picked up by Earwig's; QPQ not done, but editor appears to be on their first submission, so not required. I have verified the hook from the source, and it appears not to state what's in the hook: it says the court was superseded in 1976 (not '77), without mentioning whether this was the date when it heard its last case or anything similar. If I'm misreading the source, I do apologize, but please clarify, or specify what other source spells out that the FCB heard its last case in 1977. (The tidbit about it being dissolved in 1995 is verified, tho.) Dahn (talk) 05:51, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the review @Dahn:. I will see if I can find a source that meets your concern, otherwise I will tweak the hook slightly. It might take me a few days though. Find bruce (talk) 09:23, 22 October 2018 (UTC)