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What is deemed a reliable source?[edit]

I would like to put some valid criticisms/controversies on particular pages in the interest of intellectual fairness and transparency. I noticed my edits on a particular page were taken down due to not being considered (let us be fair and call it what it is) reliable sources.

I would genuinely like to know what sources are considered genuine in the hopes that I can find those criticisms/controversies and have them properly kept on the article. This is a step to show that there isn't a bias on Wikipedia and ALL intellectual discoveries that are factual will be kept on here. There should also be an agreement that if reliable sources of these criticisms/controversies are brought forth, that the edits will stay on the page and will show the honesty, integrity, and mature attitude that I wish to see here on Wikipedia :)

Thank you for taking the time to read this and looking forward to hearing back from you in the future. Updatewithfacts (talk) 22:50, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

@Updatewithfacts: as both of these are considered partisan sources, they're generally inappropriate for determining controversy, which makes the addition undue weight. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:08, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for responding to my message. I recognize that the sources are considered partisan but to be fair many other partisan sources are listed as reliable sources so I am hurt at the double-standard. But moving past that, they are partisan but they point out something that actually happened. The tweet was made by them, the tweet was screenshot and then the institute responded to the tweet. Where can I list both the sources and the event. I am willing to post it elsewhere on the page and not list it as controversy but it is 100% appropriate to use the sources if they document something that happened. Any additional advice pertaining to that: maybe I should create a section under "news"? Updatewithfacts (talk) 01:11, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Invitation to discuss review[edit]


I saw a notification that my user profile page is being reviewed. I am confused about why my user profile page is being reviewed, maybe you can help me understand? I do not recally any curse words, drug references, or anything of that nature on my profile so hopefully it will be seen as my information that I am allowed to post regarding myself, just as you are allowed to create a profile page about yourself.

Here is hoping we can figure out what is going on and come to a respectful consensus.

Thanks for taking the time to read this. Updatewithfacts (talk) 01:40, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@Updatewithfacts: oh, I think you have a misunderstanding. Whenever a page is created, it is by default "unreviewed", meaning that no one has checked it for issues. As I'm a reviewer, I can review pages - I saw nothing wrong with your userpage, so I marked it as reviewed, to remove it from the "unreviewed" queue. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:41, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Thank you soooo much for clearing up the misunderstanding :) I appreciate you taking the time to do that. And I also hope it is alright having addressed you as you; I am trying to be respectful of user's pronouns. I am glad to hear that there was nothing wrong; that helps me feel a ton better. Anywho, thanks again :) Updatewithfacts (talk) 01:44, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
@Updatewithfacts: totally fine, always happy to explain things. Also, feel free to refer to me with whichever pronouns you like. Elli (talk | contribs) 01:45, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
Will do; thanks again :) Updatewithfacts (talk) 03:06, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

2020 United States presidential election[edit]

Your edit summary still doesn't explain how PA was a tipping-point state for Donald Trump. He lost and his electoral margin of victory was well beyond the number of electoral votes PA has. Davejohnsan (talk) 04:18, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

@Davejohnsan: it's the tipping point state for a Donald Trump victory. If a uniform shift had occurred - enough for Trump to win Georgia, Arizona, and Wisconsin (Biden's three narrowest wins), both Trump and Biden would be at 269 electoral votes. Trump needed to also win Pennsylvania - the next closest state - to get to 270. Elli (talk | contribs) 04:19, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Gladwin photo[edit]

Thanks for adding the photo. I had found that earlier, but cam to the conclusion that we couldn't use it because of the licensing. But, we'll see if anybody objects, I guess. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:50, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@RoySmith: is there a particular concern? I figured that since the subject is dead, it would fall under the NFCC. Elli (talk | contribs) 14:51, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
Elli, I'm not an expert at NFCC, so I'll defer to your judgement. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:52, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Old congressional elections sourcing question[edit]

Do you happen to know of any acceptable source that has vote total/ percent data for old ( Pre 1900) US house elections by district? A lot of articles on US house elections are missing district level data, and the only source that I can easily find is Ourcampaigns, which is generally unreliable. There's one book I could find on it, but it's not available online AFAIK and it's not at my local library. Jackattack1597 (talk) 18:02, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jackattack1597: no, I don't, sadly. I wish I did - if you find one, please let me know, that would be very useful information. Elli (talk | contribs) 18:04, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

User page / popups anomaly[edit]

I was trying out navigation popups; among other things, it provides a preview of a user's page when their name is moused over. For some reason, yours showed up as code:

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... and so on. The page itself looks fine; it's simply the preview in popups. None of the other 30 or 40 user pages I looked at appeared this way, and it happened in both Safari and Firefox. I haven't a clue how popular the option is; it may be that few people use popups, and it's not worth tinkering with the page. In any case, I thought you might like to know. Cheers, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 07:12, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

@BlackcurrantTea: oh, this is because I changed the content model to JSON. Usually people don't do this at their userpage, I thought it was kinda funny though. Elli (talk | contribs) 12:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
Interesting; I've no experience changing content models, and wouldn't have expected the code to be exposed that way. As long as you're aware of it, and it doesn't seem to cause problems, why not? Cheers, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 13:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
@BlackcurrantTea: yeah, I just thought it looked cool - and gave some more technically-involved editors a bit of a laugh. I use popups too, though I haven't tended to hover links to my userpage. Elli (talk | contribs) 13:27, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the encouragement![edit]

Hey - just stopping by to thank you for the 'thanks' regarding the article I wrote (Capital punishment in the Gambia). Thank you for the review as well. It's always nice to get that kind of encouragement! I plan on writing other similar articles in the future, especially for African countries, although I don't know if I'll get as lucky as I did with the Gambia in finding so many sources to build such a fleshed-out article lol. Take care! :) Afddiary (talk) 16:05, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

@Afddiary: thank you for writing! I checked out your userpage and I respect what you're doing here quite a lot. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:46, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


(talk page stalker) Vaticidalprophet 22:54, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

@Vaticidalprophet: me right now Elli (talk | contribs) 22:56, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Please Help Me![edit]

Hi , @Elli: Recently You Moved My Created Article Bhartendu Era to Draft:Bharatendu Era. Only One Reference meet and Releated to this Article on Internet.I added one Reference in aarticle. Can you help me improve this Article. I Requested to you Please Help Me. Best Regards. MXX8 (talk) 04:10, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

@MXX8: hi, thanks for adding a reference. I still think the article needs more work - there's a lot of areas of the manual of style it isn't following. Once you feel confident, though, you can submit it for an AfC review, which should be able to get you some areas for improvement. I don't know much about the topic, so I can't help you much with improvement in that regard, sorry. Elli (talk | contribs) 04:12, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
@Elli: Thanks for Answering I know My Created Article meets Wikipedia Notability Policy. My Article Notable. I recently try to Improve this Article Immediately , Can you Promise to me when I Improvement This Article and Submit for Review you can reviewed my Article in future and I creating more Article in Future in draftspace.

Best Regardes MXX8 (talk) 04:23, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

@MXX8: hi, I'm not an AfC reviewer - I only review new articles that are created in the main namespace. The process for reviewing drafts is different and ensures a higher quality of article before being fully published. Elli (talk | contribs) 04:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Ok @Elli: Thanks for this Information. Best Regards.

MXX8 (talk) 04:26, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

@Elli: I Created A Article in Our Sandbox User:MXX8/sandbox. Please Review this. Best Regards.

05:29, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

1924 United States gubernatorial elections[edit]

Hi Elli, the image for 1924 United States gubernatorial elections has an error: Ohio is a republican hold when it should be a democratic hold. The original creator has had their account suspended, so I figured you would be a good person to ask given your work on the other gubernatorial elections. If you could fix it it would be much appreciated. Thanks! -Mad Mismagius (talk) 20:59, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

@Mad Mismagius: no problem. I don't want to mess with PNG maps, but when I create the SVG map for that year, I'll be sure to fix it (which I can do soon). Thanks for letting me know. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:43, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started[edit]

Hello, Elli

Thank you for creating ISIS flag.

User:Tamzin, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Huh. How was that not a redirect yet? P.S. You might wanna get Flag of ISIS too. (ISIL flag and Flag of ISIL already points to the same place as this.)

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Tamzin}}. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~ .

(Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

-- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 12:44, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

An Award for You[edit]

Flag map of Michigan.svg Promotion of the place where people describe where they live by pointing to a spot on their hands award
For all your great work promoting articles about my and your state.
P.S., it is possible to reasonably portray both Upper Peninsula and Lower Peninsula using both hands. 7&6=thirteen () 11:29, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
@7&6=thirteen: heh, thanks for the award. It's a pretty fun place, isn't it? Elli (talk | contribs) 16:22, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
I agree. Wishing you a great and plague free! summer. 7&6=thirteen () 16:41, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi, can you please help me?[edit]

Hi Elli, I was making a .svg cartogram of House seats in each state, so that every seat is clearly visible and can be identified. I intend to put them somewhere in the 2020 United States House of Representatives election page and similar pages when ready, as in the actual map version it's almost impossible to identify tiny districts and the gerrymandered ones. But here's the issue, I went through the source code of Infobox maps in 2021 United States elections, 2020 United States elections among others and it turns out that every second map uses somewhat different color scheme. So can you please help me by letting me know the actual color scheme and redirecting me to the actual color scheme template (if it exists). Thanks. Cheers! CX Zoom (talk) 18:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: hi, yes, thank you for reaching out. I've created and maintained Wikipedia:WikiProject Elections and Referendums/USA Legend Colors to explain the proper color schemes - I hope that page can answer your questions (if it's still unclear, feel free to ask me for more clarification). Elli (talk | contribs) 18:20, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@Elli: Thanks a lot. Can you please reconsider the Independent's color, as light grey is often used for states not up for election, and dark grey is also used for nonpartisan elections like here in 2020 United States gubernatorial elections.
Also, can you make a Puert Rico specific color scheme, since they don't have Dems & Reps like the rest of US, and also have a multiparty system, as in these articles, 2020 Puerto Rico gubernatorial election & 2020 United States House of Representatives election in Puerto Rico. This is further complicated by the New Progressive Party members some of whom identify as Democrats at national level (e.g., Gov. Pedro Pierluisi) and some as Republicans (e.g., Resident Commissioner Jennifer Gonzalez). Thanks. Cheers! CX Zoom (talk) 18:48, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@CX Zoom: I didn't make most of this color schemes, I was only documenting what was already in use (also, I do think grey as independent makes sense - it's different enough to be noticeable). If we were to change it we would have to change potentially thousands of maps.
As for Puerto Rico - that situation is confusing - feel free to make colors for them. Elli (talk | contribs) 19:06, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@Elli: I got this set of colors (gain/hold) for the major two parties, which are enough for national level maps, since other parties are just too small. They are at User:CX Zoom/TestPage16#PR, would you please check them to make sure that they go along with the other colors without issues. I'm pretty confused about the colors of the "Popular Democratic Party" which has a color scheme extremely close to that of Republican party. Thanks. CX Zoom (talk) 21:58, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@CX Zoom: they look OK to me - maybe make the hold ones a bit lighter? Elli (talk | contribs) 22:03, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@Elli: Agreed and made them extremely lighter since the color in the middle was vaguely similar to Republican Hold's color. Can you please check it again. Thanks! CX Zoom (talk) 22:07, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@CX Zoom: both of those look fine. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:10, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank you very much! CX Zoom (talk) 22:16, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@CX Zoom: of course, anytime. I can add the colors to the list, if you'd like. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:17, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
@Elli: Yeah sure. Please add them. CX Zoom (talk) 22:19, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
2020 United States House of Representatives election cartogram (linear).svg
2020 US House Election Results cartogram.svg
Finally, completed for 2020 results. Please check which one seems better. The first one is the linear one, i.e., all congressional districts appear as a series of numbers, with district 1 being the topmost left and then continuing from left to right, without any regard to geography. The second one roughly reflects the geography, however, as in any cartogram it doesn't really guarantee geographical accuracy. The legends and related information is in its commons page. Also I've requested a file move on the first one as you can see, that I've given completely different names to the two files. It'd be great if you could help. Thanks. Cheers! CX Zoom (talk) 15:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
@CX Zoom: I've carried out the rename - though I may try adopting them to a new naming convention in the future (I'm working on a general convention for election related stuff, though I haven't added rules for cartograms yet). I think the second one is more helpful than the first one, as it at least roughly indicates where the districts are. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:21, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for renaming it. And can you please add the cartogram to 2020 House election page where you think it is appropriate. I want it to be easily seen but I'm pretty new and don't know much about rules of such pages. So I don't want get into edit wars and stuff like that. Thanks again. Cheers! CX Zoom (talk) 15:45, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
@CX Zoom: sure, I'll do it, though I would advise you in the future to be bold and make the changes yourself - it's not an edit war if you get reverted, as long as you discuss your changes before re-implementing them. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:46, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Kindness Barnstar Hires.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For all the help you did.

With love & respect.
CX Zoom (talk) 16:38, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: thank you very much! Elli (talk | contribs) 16:39, 16 June 2021 (UTC)