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This barnstar is awarded to everyone who - whatever their opinion - contributed to the discussion about Wikipedia and SOPA. Thank you for being a part of the discussion. Presented by the Wikimedia Foundation, January 21, 2012.

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Congratulations, Tom.Reding, you've recently made your 1,000th edit to articles on English Wikipedia!

Thank you for all the great DAB work you've been doing recently, and for all your contributions to the encyclopedia. Keep it up! :) Maryana (WMF) (talk) 23:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your incredible WikiGnoming over the past few months. I am in awe. A2soup (talk) 23:25, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! :)   ~ Tom.Reding & his 200-some-odd lines of regex (talkcontribsdgaf)  02:03, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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You have nearly single-handedly eliminated the minor planet notability problem, which had stood for seven years before you decided to tackle it, because nobody wanted to do the massive amount of work required. If this doesn't deserve a barnstar, I'm not sure what does. StringTheory11 (t • c) 17:49, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For dealing with the minor planet clusterfuck as efficiently as you have! Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 04:13, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

There's nothing quite like cleaning up a good, 'ol-fashioned clusterfuck. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction :)   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  04:17, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

BTW, this isn't just for the recent banner tagging, but for the shear amount of effort involved in cleaning up the mess for the past year or so. Possibly longer. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 00:27, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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thanks for helping me with the search codes! Jennica / talk 20:10, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors![edit]

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In 2016 you were one of the top ~200 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med Foundation for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a user group whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs.

Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 18:08, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Barnstar awarded[edit]

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Your diligent work in the area of redirect categorization and improvement is duly recognized and greatly appreciated. You are truly one of the unsung heroes of Wikipedia, and we hope you continue to enjoy your improvement of this awesome encyclopedia! On behalf of your fellow editors—and the millions of readers of our work—I sincerely thank you for your contributions that have improved the encyclopedia for everyone. Senator2029 “Talk” 08:33, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you very much for helping and editing the Joe Campos Torres article, your assistance put a BIG SMILE on my face!
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My pleasure; that was a satisfying edit :)   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  16:56, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Another barnstar for you![edit]

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In recognition of your recent contributions to the Life Sciences on en:Wikipedia, analyzing and helping to improve the quality of articles, based on scientific data. Your efforts demonstrate tremendous potential into enhancing the scientific accuracy of The Free Encyclopedia.

I am tremendously appreciative of your efforts, especially on the preliminary Taxonomic analysis.

~ Mellis (talk) 23:48, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Editor of the Week[edit]

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Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week in recognition of your constant positive demeanor. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Buster7 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

I am always on the lookout for potential Editor of the Week candidates, for editors that fly under the radar, whose efforts are unknown except to a few. They don't make a splash, they don't emit a 'notice me' kind of behavior; they just quietly tackle the hard jobs. Tom.Reding is that kind of editor. A while back he "thanked me" via the Thanks Notification for awarding the Editor of the Week to a fellow editor. So, I looked into him and found an editor that does many important WP improving things. He is a working editor (535,847 live and undeleted edits) that fixes, populates, corrects, standardizes, cleans, parses, tries, peruses, adds, formats, listens, expands, updates, corrects, creates, assigns and (my favorite) "consistifies". A member of Wikiproject Astronomy and Wikiproject Tree of Life, he has recently been granted the page mover user right. He provides a human eye and understanding to "bot" problems that arise. In the area of redirect categorization he willingly puts his head together with other editors to work toward solution. A deserving recipient.

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Quietly tackles the hard jobs. 536000 live and undeleted edits. A page mover. Understands "bot" problems. A deserving recipient.
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Thanks again for your efforts! ―Buster7  20:38, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

! XD <3 TY!   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  20:56, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

The AWB Barnster[edit]

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Fixing many depreciated syntax on infobox images. Iggy (Swan) 22:14, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your excellent work in getting the bot up and running to tag biographies for the Olympic Wiki Project. Thank you! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 10:00, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, my pleasure :)   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  12:04, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors![edit]

please help translate this message into your local language via meta
Wiki Project Med Foundation logo.svg The 2016 Cure Award
In 2016 you were one of the top ~200 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med Foundation for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a user group whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs.

Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 18:08, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Congrats on joining the million edit club![edit]

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Congratulations on being the seventh editor on the English Wikipedia to do over a million non-bot edits! ϢereSpielChequers 12:14, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! I never thought I'd do so much, but I just keep finding things to fix/improve :)   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  13:12, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your astronomic contributions! For taking up so much space!

With apologies for the puns, Ira Leviton (talk) 20:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you![edit]

Dobos cake (Gerbeaud Confectionery Budapest Hungary).jpg 7&6=thirteen () has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it.

To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

7&6=thirteen () 16:09, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

You have used your gifts well, Padawan[edit]

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OCD. It's not an affliction. It is a gift, and is part of the job description for being a Wikipedia editor. See WP:wikiholic.

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

Takes one to know one. Best regards. 7&6=thirteen () 16:36, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

7&6=thirteen, thank you :) And I really should take the test, but I can't be bothered while editing...perhaps that is or should be one of the questions??   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  16:49, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors![edit]

Wiki Project Med Foundation logo.svg The 2018 Cure Award
In 2018 you were one of the top ~250 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med Foundation for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a user group whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs.

Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 17:41, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

New version of my typos tool[edit]

Hi Tom,

Thanks a lot for your efforts correcting typos on Wikipedia.

I just uploaded a new version of my tool: User:Uziel302/Typos. After adding the script to common.js, it allows correcting obvious typos in one click. This is meant for typos that occur less than 10 times in current dumps, so AWB isn't the answer. The process of uploading list of articles and settings to AWB is to hard to update. Will appreciate any feedback. Uziel302 (talk) 15:35, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

@Uziel302: I'm a bit wikioccupied elsewhere at the moment, but it looks like the limiting factor is creating the requisite custom typos list(s). Short of using WP:AWB/Typos, what you're doing seems like the easiest solution, as it/they can be updated easily to everyone using your script (I'll be using it soon enough). Making a helper script that creates typo entries for the custom/short list would be my only suggestion, but it looks like you're probably already doing that. Since there are no tools other than your own that that page has to interface with, then JSON, etc. formatting isn't necessary, and I like how you made it both human & machine readable.
A "rare" typo isn't necessarily grounds for exclusion in AWB, though, since many may have just been fixed in the meantime. If you have an older dump and find many instances of a typo, or the typo can be easily piggybacked onto an existing WP:AWB/T rule, then it would be good to add it (and keep it on your shortlist).   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  16:38, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
The lists are created automatically by a short program I wrote. It includes 600K variations of popular words, excluding real words (currently based on Wikipedia and Wiktionary titles). Out of these 600K words I can't tell which will appear on the dumps, I just search and upload some of the output. Currently I have 35K typos to fix in English. In Hebrew Wikipedia we fixed over 14K typos with this tool, I have some options to widen the list of suspect typos. Uziel302 (talk) 19:09, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
Some of the frequent suspect typos in my scan, if you want to add some to AWB:
unveilled - 9  
receving - 9  
awll - 8
teching - 7  
coveres - 7  
appearanced - 7
adiation - 7
sceni - 6
unnotated - 6
predomnantly - 6  
featureed - 6  
I just uploaded: Wikipedia:Correct typos in one click/list by occurrence. Uziel302 (talk) 18:04, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Race to grow the hottest pepper[edit]

Hello Tom, I have added zero in front of Red Savina in Race to grow the hottest pepper page table, because when you want to sort the peppers descending their SCU, this pepper appears as the hottest, but it is not true. This minor change fixes it. If you know another way to gain the same result, please implement it. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:34, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Fixed, using |data-sort-value="0,570,000"|.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  23:46, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Re: new JWB rule for Regex Lookbehinds[edit]

Hi there, I'm continuing on your talk page as a reply to this question in which you pinged me, a long time ago. I haven't been active on this wiki for a long while and only now reading up on some messages left to me. So, to answer your question, yes, it would be technically possible to do that. However, I'm not sure in what way I should implement it to be absolutely 100% sure that the modified regex is still exactly the same. Considering that usually lookbehinds do have an effect on the expression they are included in, I am a bit hesitant to modify the expression to simply remove the lookbehind. I think it's safer to simply ignore any expressions that have a lookbehind, because not doing any replacements is better than performing an incorrect replacement.

Now, regarding that link listed in question 4: I find that quite interesting to read. I could try implementing a check that determines if the browser supports lookbehinds (which not all browsers do yet) and if so, keeps the lookbehinds completely intact. Not only would that avoid the issue of performing incorrect replacements because of the script editing the expression, it is probably also a bit easier to implement.

I'm curious to hear what you think. Joeytje50 (talk) 23:14, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

@Joeytje50: thank you very much for the reply. Pings to GoingBatty & Certes who where involved too.
The reason that conversation happened was b/c the next logical step, given the typo work we were all doing, and some of the other discussions we were having, was to introduce as many 'avoid self' look-behinds as were needed. Otherwise, the rules needlessly fire and clog up the 'typos fired' history tab in AWB (edit summaries are spared from this effect, I think?). Creating 'avoid self' look-behinds en masse would only be a good idea if JWB were unaffected or the work-around were trivial, or at least easy. If look-behinds may be coming soon to JavaScript is now true (or at least not on the perpetual horizon), then that would be the ideal scenario. I could try googling it myself, but I can only feel like that we be akin to trying to google-diagnose myself. Also I want to be surprised, either way.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  00:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Oh, perhaps I misunderstood, is JWB run in your browser? I assumed it was a standalone application. I supposed if the largest # of JWB edits come from people using lookbhehind-supported browsers, then that would be acceptable? Can you run/create any user statistics to see if this is the case, if that's allowed?   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  00:53, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Yes, JWB is run entirely from the browser, but no, unfortunately I can't currently produce any usage statistics, and I fear it would be against the GDPR to start tracking usage statistics now without informing users. I'm not sure how the laws around that work, but I'm a bit hesitant to add tracking to it. If you happen to know what the rules about that are, I'd be happy to implement some tracking, and then I can let you know, but based on at least one user who posted some styling issues which I could only reproduce in Firefox, there are at least more than zero FF users, who are not supported it seems on So I could already implement supporting lookbehinds to allow Chrome users to perform more typo fixes, but I think until Firefox users are also supported, it would be unwise to include lookbehinds to every regex pattern, since that would exclude some users from performing typo fixes.
Also I'm a bit concerned this optimisation may in fact make the replacing of patterns slower as a whole. I'm not sure how exactly everything works behind the scenes, but the fact that lookbehinds are not supported universally yet, suggests to me that it's a relatively 'expensive' operation to perform. Although this may reduce the total amount of matches found and acted upon, I fear the regexes themselves may become significantly slower, undoing everything you were trying to optimise. I haven't done any research to these performance statistics though, so if you know more about this then I'm going to trust you on that. Joeytje50 (talk) 01:05, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
I've made a quick change to the Regex Typo Fixing script, which now supports lookbehinds for any browser that also supports it. So, as soon as every important browser supports lookbehinds, it is also supported by my RETF script. This also means that any expressions with lookbehinds will from now on work in up-to-date versions of Chrome and Opera. I'll add some information on the documentation page for that. Joeytje50 (talk) 01:28, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
@Smasongarrison: you've made by far the most efficiency improvements to WP:AWB/T - what are your thoughts on mass lookbehinds (only for cases where the rule could accidentally trigger on itself, not blanket-applied to all rules)?   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  01:55, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Honestly, right now I have zero thoughts on it. My new prof job has sucked up all my time. Smasongarrison (talk) 17:51, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Can we enhance AWB to simply not make or log the change if the replacement text matches the replaced text? I've not explored the code but it may be something like
if find($text, $find) { $text = substitute($text, $find, $replace); log(...) }
which could become
$newtext = substitute($text, $find, $replace); if ($newtext != $text) { $text = $newtext; log(...) }
That may even be more efficient. By the way, I use Firefox. Certes (talk) 09:52, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
...The actual code, which of course is more complex than my pseudocode, seems to start at line 251 here. Certes (talk) 10:22, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
Well, given the possibility of a JS regex upgrade and the pretty big backlog of AWB pending tasks, I figured it'd be easier & faster to to just patch JWB in the meantime. But submitting a phab ticket is a good idea regardless of JWB regex transparency, as it might run faster if it's baked into the AWB program rather than each typo rule, and would decrease the size of the typo list.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  13:07, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm not an experienced phab user but if anyone else wants to make a request, adding code to these currently blank lines of RegExTypoFix.cs should work:
256 string oldText = articleText;
258 if (oldText != articleText) {
278 }
!= may be the wrong string comparison operator (C# has four, and I've never used the language) and the formatting would need adjustment. Certes (talk) 14:09, 11 October 2019 (UTC)


I know Wikipedia is not a dating site, but you have to have the sexiest user page ever. Not sure if it was 2 master's degrees or admitting to having OCD, but you are exactly my kinda guy. >sigh< Please don't be a troll. In my head you look really hot. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SeaBeeDee (talkcontribs) 13:22, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Margaret Magennis, Viscountess Iveagh[edit]

Dear Tom, if I may call you so. I am a beginner in Wikipedia and lack your impressive track record and reputation as a top Wikipedian. I am puzzled by some of the edits you made on the article Margaret Magennis, Viscountess Iveagh on 23 October 2019, using AWB as it seems. Thank you for all the good and useful corrections, which are surely highly appreciated. I have to thank you in particual for fixing the self-link that I had introduced by copying the Family tree from another article. I will try to be more careful in the future. However, please allow me to ask you about two changes that look to me as changes not to the better but to the worse. The one is br to br/, the other the correction of a date format inside a quotation.

  1. br. In HTML4 and HTML5 the form is br. XHTML required "br /" ( It seems that at same stage in the past Wikipedia's Text Editor's syntax highlighting could not cope with br and needed a closure, but now the syntax highlighting seems to have no problem with br. So why change it. Are you not perhaps using an old version of AWB?
  2. Date format in quotation. It is of course a good idea to standardise the date formats used in Wikipedia, but surely odd formats found in quotations from sources should, I think, be left as they are. However, your intervention on the article removed a comma from the date of the Battle of Landen from a quote from a book by Lodge published in 1798. This quotation is the argument of the "ps" parameter of the "sfn" template. Look for: sfn|Lodge|1798|p=...|ps=: "Lady Honora ... Landen, 29 July, 1693, ...". The comma between July and 1698 was removed. Would you not agree that this should not have happened?

With many thanks and sorry to take so much of your time. Johannes Schade (talk) 17:09, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

@Johannes Schade: here is the edit, for easier reference.
  1. <br/>: No, the text editor's syntax highlighting does not cope with unclosed <br>s (I have highlighting active now, and have just tested it in this edit window). Regardless, this is also a lowest-priority lint error, which is why I piggyback it on more significant changes.
  2. Yes, quoted text, {{sic}}'d text, etc. should be left as-is. The commas were removed via WP:GenFixes, and was not caught by me due to the length of the quote. I'll create a {{Phab}} ticket to fix this.
Thank you for bringing it to my attention.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  17:40, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
Dear Tom, thanks a lot for your effort. Johannes Schade (talk) 17:53, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
 Tracked in T236729.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  19:18, 28 October 2019 (UTC)


Hello, Please is this draft Draft:Blerf, that I created "OK" Wiziesan (talk) 21:09, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

@Wiziesan: I ran my 'common errors' script over it and found nothing wrong, and no typos. You should rename it to Biographical Legacy and Research Foundation. For a more detailed vetting, I believe the WP:Teahouse is your best resource.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  21:17, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Ok thanks sir Wiziesan (talk) 21:20, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

CS1 author list[edit]

Hi Tom, is this ability to correct CS1 author list, as User:Tom.Bot did here a standard part of WP:AWB? As I mistakeningly added a number of 'authors=' references myself, I'd like to go back and correct my edits. I have AWB access, any information would be welcome. Regards, Sun Creator(talk) 21:44, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

@Sun Creator: unfortunately, no, and I don't see it being part of WP:AWB except for the 1 or 2 most obvious cases. Instead, over the years (~10, wow), I've created a list of ~1200 regex rules and some C# code to process the many multiple-author/editor/translator/etc. variants, wikilinks-as-authors, and other common errors, which does, still, come across new user-input-error variants. If I see enough of one, and it isn't terribly complicated to fix, I put it in. Category:CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (37,167) is at a not-too-unmanageable 31,363. Also, at the time, I didn't notice I was logged in as Tom.Bot; I should've switched before making those edits.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  22:14, 27 October 2019 (UTC)


Sorry to be a stalker but I think this change should work if you just omit $1: substitution retains text matched with (?<=). I'd do this myself but I expect you have a testbed for it set up and I don't. Certes (talk) 17:03, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: yes, it probably would, but it would make the edit summary less useful by not including the whole word, i.e. icitve → ictive, which is what I think almost all rules follow. If you don't mind this, or at least don't mind it for the slowest typo rules, in favor of the performance gain, please mention it at WT:AWB/T#The 76 slowest typos. Personally, I think it's worth it for these extremely slow 3-10 stdev rules, but I don't want to assume everyone would be ok with that.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  17:42, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Last White Christmas page issues[edit]

Hi Tom, I hope I have solved the issues on the page you reported to me. Could you re-evaluate the page? Ciao e grazie--Massimoimpulse (talk) 17:13, 31 October 2019 (UTC), Massimo

 Done, looks good.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  17:50, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Thanks! I worked a lot on it. Who can cancel the notices? I could do it, I believe according to the regulation, even personally. But it would seem to me that it was better for someone to remove it. What do you suggest me? Another question, if I can? If a page in English is correct (approved) can it be translated into another language without the risk of raising a doubt about encyclopedicity? If a page is encyclopedic for a language: is it for all? Ciao e grazie --Massimoimpulse (talk) 22:03, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
@Massimoimpulse: the quantity of sources has certainly improved (I did not check their quality). Re WP:GNG: I'm afraid this is out of my depth. I don't feel comfortable removing that notices since I don't have the time nor the interest in checking them. Please bring this up at the WP:Teahouse, where someone more willing & experienced than I can help you. Re interlanguage wiki translation: each wiki (I think) sets their own guidelines, so the WP:Teahouse again would be your best resource.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  22:22, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
@Tom.Reding:Thanks for everything! I'll do as you suggested. Ciao
@Tom.Reding: Ciao Tom I remember that the names of the bands that played at the concert had been removed. Why? Only one is still active (Raw Power). Can I put the names back? It seems to me a useful piece of information (encyclopedic) and that can favor the tracing of the page. Ciao e grazie, MassimoMassimoimpulse (talk) 21:59, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
@Massimoimpulse: as far as the text & content of this page goes, and there's a reference, sure. Those bands probably don't need to meet WP:GNG just to be mentioned; whether they should be made into red wikilinks is another matter.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  22:09, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Category:Automatic taxobox cleanup[edit]

Someone must have messed up one of the taxonomy templates high up in the 'dinosaur hierarchy', which was then corrected, but left a huge number of articles in Category:Automatic taxobox cleanup. Real problems can't be found and fixed while all of these sit in the category. A null edit removes those that shouldn't be there. Is this something you can automate? Peter coxhead (talk) 10:27, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

 Working   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  12:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
 Done!   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  13:13, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Many thanks (yet again!). Peter coxhead (talk) 14:48, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
What's the best way to do bulk null edits? They are also handy when pages still record bad links removed by a template fix. Currently I use JWB with no regex (fixing typos as I pass) but that's not ideal for more than about 100 pages. Certes (talk) 13:31, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
I use AWB to only prepend {{subst:null}} to a page, which eventually evaluates as no change, but first has to be parsed, so it triggers a page refresh. You might be able to do this with JWB, if not natively then via regex (i.e. find the first or last wikitext character and put the subst before it), but I've never used JWB so I'm just spitballing.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  13:50, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

UCLA School of Nursing[edit]

Can you explain your UCLA School of Nursing edits -- specifically why you changed apostrophe symbols to inch symbols?

I found this on Wikipedia about prime symbols: Although similar in appearance, the prime symbol should not be confused with the apostrophe ( ’ or ' ), single quotation mark ( '  or  ‘  or  ’ ), acute accent ( ´ ), or grave accent ( ` ).

thanks Rgale417 Rgale417 (talk) 23:09, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

@Rgale417: MOS:'.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  00:46, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
@Tom.Reding Ahhh...thank you very much! MOS answers a lot of questions for me. (is dgaf a message to me?) Rgale417 Rgale417 (talk) 23:58, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
@Rgale417: you're welcome. WP:Don't-give-a-fuckism is a part of my signature, and a way of life.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  00:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Category:Taxobox articles missing a taxonbar[edit]

Category:Taxobox articles missing a taxonbar has 395,749 pages in it, but my (admittedly small) attempt at sampling shows that these articles do in fact have a taxonbar. Is there something I'm not getting? Abductive (reasoning) 08:24, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

@Abductive: thank you for checking. I've undone a recent change and it's now clearing out: Category:Taxobox articles missing a taxonbar (334).   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  12:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm just glad I figured out who to ask.... Abductive (reasoning) 15:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Sir Robert de Quincy (born c.1140-died c.1197) and Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester (c. 1170 – 3 November 1219)[edit]

I was searching for the de Quincy line of my family and finally found Robert, son of Saher. I clicked on Saher and went down to Robert again. Robert has a son Saer and when I clicked on him it took me back to Robert's father. We have a circle going and it needs to be corrected but I didn't know how to tell you this until I found this section. You do great work for wikipedia and I know you know how to correct the link. Thank you, Crookedeye (Crookedeye (talk) 21:41, 12 November 2019 (UTC))

@Crookedeye: please tell me the page and the exact link that's the problem.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  14:30, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

The page would be Robert de Quincy 1st line is Sir Robert de Quincy (born c.1140-died c.1197), Justiciar of Lothian was a 12th-century English and Scottish noble. The link is for his father 1st line under Life Quincy was a son of Saher de Quincy and Matilda de Senlis.[1 AND the link for his son under Marriage and Issue 2nd line Saher de Quincy (died 1219), married Margaret de Beaumont, had issue.

Both of these links go to the same person, which is his son per birth and death dates. I'm pretty sure you probably meant some special number or ??? when you wanted the links but I'm not all that great with computer talk. Thank you, Crookedeye (talk) 09:58, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks![edit]


Google Code-In, Google-organized contest in which the Wikimedia Foundation participates, starts in a few weeks. This contest is about taking high school students into the world of opensource. I'm sending you this message because you recently edited a documentation page at the English Wikipedia.

I would like to ask you to take part in Google Code-In as a mentor. That would mean to prepare at least one task (it can be documentation related, or something else - the other categories are Code, Design, Quality Assurance and Outreach) for the participants, and help the student to complete it. Please sign up at the contest page and send us your Google account address to [email protected], so we can invite you in!

From my own experience, Google Code-In can be fun, you can make several new friends, attract new people to your wiki and make them part of your community.

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--User:Martin Urbanec (talk) 21:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

New Page - related to Helmut Veith[edit]

Hi! Jobe well done when it comes to the article on Helmut Veith. I am mapping Austrian computer science scene. I have created a new wikipedia article about Vienna Center for Logic and Algorithms, which was co-founded by Helmut Veith (1971-2019). The article is still in review, and it needs editors. Do you know someone who could review the article? Best

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Jobe well done when it comes to the article on Prof. Helmut Veith (1971-2016). Terrenus (talk) 14:48, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2010s Thai aircraft[edit]

A tag has been placed on Category:2010s Thai aircraft requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. UnitedStatesian (talk) 04:05, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Help with dead IUCN links[edit]

A number of pages have references with links of form |url= This is the backup site the IUCN created when they updated their website. They have now closed this site. However, they do now have redirects for the old urls (e.g. |url= or, more accurately, a system that creates redirects shortly after someone gets a failed link.

Anyway, there are 1435 pages using oldredlist links. Is it possible for you to change the to This would fix most of the dead links left over from the IUCN website update. It would have been easier if they'd created the redirects in the first place, instead of creating the need to changing to oldredlist and back again.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give.   Jts1882 | talk  11:54, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

@Jts1882: sure can, next day or 2 probably.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  13:54, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
@Jts1882: are you sure that simply replacing to is the correct action?
I've been spending my morning fixing {{cite iucn}} template because of this change to Module:Iucn. Because I'm doing that, I added a test probe to my script to show oldredlist urls. I found one in House sparrow § Habitat (here):
which I changed to:
Neither of these work. So, I searched and found:
which is a distinctly different url from either of the other two. This then leads me to wonder: is brute-force replacement of 'old' with 'new' a good and correct idea?
Trappist the monk (talk) 16:28, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
From Ophisternon bengalense § Sources:
[ Ophisternon bengalense]Ophisternon bengalense
[ Ophisternon bengalense]Ophisternon bengalense
Neither work but search gives this url:
Trappist the monk (talk) 17:18, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
@Trappist the monk:. I think it is the best approach. A brief summary of the changes and my reasoning.
  • The redlist website used to use url's like and The 2008 assessment for the sparrow article was added sometime in 2009 using the latter url. So this was the link added by a editor to verify the information added to the article.
  • Two or three years ago the IUCN updated their website using a new URL format, without using redirects. This cause all the links to IUCN references to be dead. The IUCN created oldredlist version at this time.
  • Unfortuately, these new urls couldn't be worked out from the id alone. However, it was possible if there was an electronic page number. I created the {{cite iucn}} at that time to try and facilitate conversion by generating the new urls from the page number. Using this template had to be done one reference at a time. Around the same time someone mass converted the old links to use the oldredlist links.
  • Earlier this year the IUCN closed the oldredlist subdomain, meaning all these converted links were now dead.
  • At some point they have put in a system that generates links from the old URLs to the new ones. We can only guess why they didn't do this at the time of the changeover. This means many of the orginal links now work again, which is why I propose changing them back.
  • The sparrow one doesn't work because it is a new assessment with a new ID number. But if you convert the link at Reindeer from (Reindeer) to (Reindeer), the latter is redirected to the new style url, (Reindeer). Curiously it didn't when I first tried it this morning but did when I retried it a few hours later. It seems the links are created after getting a failed attempt to reach the old URL.
In short, the oldredlist urls are dead. These were not the ones originally added to the article by editors, but the result of a mass conversion. The orginal urls now work in many cases, if still the latest assessment, so I think the conversion back is appropriate. Where there is a new assessment, these links will be dead but they will be the ones added by a living editor rather than a dead link to oldredlist.   Jts1882 | talk  17:21, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
I am not going to pretend that I understand all of what it is that you wrote. If the old-url and the new-versions-of-the-old-url (the new-old) are redirected to some other url (new-new), wouldn't it be better to have Module:Iucn add a maintenance category so that they can be fixed for good an all and so that there is but one kind of url pointing to the current assessment? Surely you do not believe that iucn will maintain these redirects indefinitely so isn't it prudent to know where both forms of the 'old' and 'new old' urls are and spend the time and effort to update them to the 'new new'?
Trappist the monk (talk) 18:09, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
A maintenance category for any old-style url in {{cite iucn}} is a good idea, but my request is not about {{cite iucn}} references, which can be handled by the module. Only 31 of the "oldredlist" occurences use that template. That leaves about 1400 using {{cite web}} or {{cite journal}}. The oldredlist subdomain no longer exists so all of those are dead links. A large majority of them do redirect if converted to the original url. I estimate this would fix over a thousand dead links. Ideally they would be updated to the new style urls, but that needs to be done manually or with a bot that can search the IUCN API.   Jts1882 | talk  08:45, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
So then the task is:
when iucn url of any form appears in {{cite web}} or {{cite journal}}
convert these templates to {{cite iucn}}
remove |journal= and |work= when these name the redlist
when |page=e\.T(\d+)A(\d+) or |doi=10\.2305/IUCN[^\|\}]+T(\d+)A(\d+)\.en
convert old-url to current-form-url
convert old-url to original-url
I have tweaked Module:Iucn to unconditionally add |publisher=[[IUCN]] and conditionally add |doi-access=free when |doi= is present and correct.
Trappist the monk (talk) 12:44, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I think that would be excellent and far better than my limited plan. One concern with converting all {{cite web}} and {{cite journal}} citations with a redlist url is that not all will be referencing species assessments. There is some addition technical information on the assessment process, conservation categories and conservation plans. Species assesments should have urls with "" (old style) or "" (new style).   Jts1882 | talk  13:18, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
I have a script that I think does what you want. Here are the first 10 edits:
In Acaena_exigua, this {{cite journal}} does not have |url= but does have |doi=. This type of citation should also be converted to {{cite iucn}} and I will add that functionality.
Also from Acaena_exigua the original:
{{cite journal |author=Gon, S.M. |author2=Keir, M. |author3=Kwon, J. |author4=Weisenberger, L. |author5=Sporck-Koehler, M. |author6=Chau, M. |last-author-amp=yes |title=''Acaena exigua'' |journal=[[The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species]] |volume=2016 |page=e.T44072A101442020 |publisher=[[IUCN]] |date=2016 |url= |doi=10.2305/IUCN.UK.2016-1.RLTS.T44072A78765906.en |access-date=10 November 2017}}
in the above, the identifier in |page= is different (errata version) from the identifier in |doi= (original 2016 assessment). My script uses whichever of |doi= or |page= follows |url= preferring |doi=. This may be the wrong philosophy. Since the doi appears to automatically redirect to the most current assessment, when the assessment part of the identifiers differs what to do? I think that lower assessment numbers indicate older (I have not proven that, but it seems likely) so:
doi == page; use either
doi > page; use page?
doi < page; use doi?
For now, I've instructed the script to skip when doi != page.
At present, iucn urls must be in cs1|2 or {{cite iucn}} templates and must not have |archive-url= with an assigned value. I'm wondering if such templates, where |doi= and/or |page= is present and correct, should be stripped of the archive parameters and modified as if they were not present. Because the script skips these templates, this topic can be deferred to a later date.
Tom, if you would prefer that this conversation continue elsewhere, just say so ...
Trappist the monk (talk) 18:40, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
No problem at all! I don't mind - this is all relevant for me (though I've yet to read through this due to limited time).   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  15:34, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
@Trappist the monk: Those examples all create citations with valid links where possible. The exceptions are when there is no redirect for an old style url (which seems to be for more obscure taxa) or when the taxon id has been replaced (e.g. the house sparrow which was split into two species with new numbers). But these currently give dead links anyway. A few comments and questions:
  • The electronic page number should be used to generate the new-style when both it and the doi are available. The page number goes to web page where the citation was taken (original or update), which we can assume is the page that was actually read by the editor. The doi number refers to the original version so a new-style url generated from it would link to the old version, although following the doi link takes you to the most recent version. Most updates are errata, but they could involve information that is being cited, so it’s better to use the electonic page number for the url, as that should link to the page the citation was taken from.
  • Should the bot be creating the new-style urls or should that be left to the module? If the bot just restores old style urls (removing oldredlist), the module can create the links and set tracking categories (which I see you’ve being creating).
  • There is one other option for old-style urls, using an IUCN API link (this is used by the {{taxonbar}} as that is how Wikidata is set up). In the case of Ophisternon bengalense (Bengal mud eel) this now gives a valid link, whereas the old-style url link doesn’t pick up this redirect (which is odd). However, when the taxon id has been replaced this returns an error message in JSON format, e.g. for the house sparrow before its species split. I don’t think this is appropriate, but this can be implemented later in the module if desired.
  • I chose to use the |trans-title= for |amended= because this appears after the linked title. If |type= is used it appears after the |journal= which suggests the whole redlist has been amended rather than the particular assessment.
  • If there is an electronic page number that can generate a new style url, I see no reason to keep the archive. The archive might give the wrong impression about the current validity of the reference. The archive is there due to a techical issue with the urls, not because the information was removed for some reason.
I see I have some work to do to bring myself up to date on the tracking categories. I will comment later on the module talk page.   Jts1882 | talk  08:35, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
  • My script does use |page= to create a new-form url when |page= and |doi= are both present and both the same. It is easy enough to add another case to create a new-form url from |page= when it differs from |doi=. The script creates a new-form url from |page= when |doi= is missing or empty. Similarly, when |doi= has a value but |page= is empty or missing, the script creates a new-form url from |doi=. But, I've been wondering about that last case. The script also converts |url= to |doi=10.2305/IUCN.UK... so perhaps it is better when there is old-form url and |doi= to simply remove |url=.
    • A variant of this that we haven't discussed is {{cite iucn}} templates with |id=TTTT/AAAAA. I presume that if such |id= parameters are encountered, presuming proper form, the |id= value can be used to create a new-form url in the absence or invalidity of |page=, right? Or probably best, because the module creates new-form url from |id=, when old-form url exists with properly formatted |id=, delete |url=.
  • I'm not writing a bot; 1500-ish pages isn't worth the time it would take to get through WP:BRFA. But, to answer what I think is the essence of your question, I think that some script or other should be rewriting the wikitext templates because rendered citations that differ from the source data are confusing to editors (the doi resolver for iucn dois is one such example – reader clicks on doi 1234 expecting to go to doi 1234 but ends up at doi 5678; a poor decision on the part of iucn in my opinion because a doi is supposed to be permanent link to a specific source).
  • iucn api is outside the capability of an awb script and I don't think that we should be populating |url= with api calls
  • Yeah, I get why you are misusing |trans-title=. Misuse of template parameters, no matter how well-meaning, is still misuse. We might do as iucn does and add specific text to the citation title (see house sparrow). In reading that title, Passer domesticus (amended version of 2018 assessment), I wonder if |amended= is quite the right parameter name. That tense might be misleading as in "amended in YYYY" (2019 to produce the 2019 assessment). Perhaps |amends= as in "amends YYYY assessment". So, for house sparrow one might write:
    {{cite iucn |title=''Passer domesticus'' |amends=2018 |date=2019 |id=166410/1131667}}
    "Passer domesticus (amended version of 2018 assessment)". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. 2019. 2019.
  • I'm happy to remove archives to old-form urls and will implement that.
Trappist the monk (talk) 12:51, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Getting back to |amended=, I have to wonder if we really care? Do we? At present, |amended= appears to used in only six articles.
Trappist the monk (talk) 13:00, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
You may be right about dropping |amended=. I probably added all the six uses as I was trying to follow the recommended IUCN citation style and didn't like that being part of the linked text. It's not essential to the citation (and perhaps implies major change rather than mostly errata) and is prominent on the page when anyone follows the link.
I agree with deleting the old style urls when there is a suitable id, electronic page number or doi. Is the new style URL a necessary parameter given that the electonic page number is the key parameter.
I'm not sure how often there is a new style id (i.e. taxonID/assessment). I was adding that because {{IUCN}} uses |id= (the old-style ID) to create old-style URLs, some of which work and some which don't. The reason I added the aliases for |assessor= parameters was looking towards using the module for the template. So I would favour also handling old-style IDs and using them to create old-style URLs when there is not page or doi.   Jts1882 | talk  13:30, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
I don't know what old-style IDs look like. the only ids that I can remember seeing have the form that I used above in my |amends= example: |id=166410/1131667 which is the same form as is used in the new-form url. I don't think that |url= in wikitext is necessary when there is one of |page(s)=, |id=, |doi= (all properly formatted). The module can (does) create |url= from |pages= and |id=.
I have been recently thinking about changing the module so that it will also create |url= from the identifier in |doi= so that the rendered citation title links to that specific assessment (because of iucn's peculiar notion of how dois should work). This would make the need for |url= in the wikitext unnecessary (maint cat and message for what becomes extraneous |url=). Because of that thinking, I'm also thinking about changing the script to remove |url= when there is |page(s)=, |id=, |doi= (all properly formatted).
That whole assessor-alias thing could be done better but I don't think that we should worry about that right now. First settle on getting the url-issues resolved
Trappist the monk (talk) 15:44, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
By old-style id I mean a simple ID number that is used in old-style urls of form, e.g., where the zero suffix refers to a global assessment and other numbers refer to regional assessments.
The new style IDs use the same taxon ID with the addition of an assessment element as suffix in the form, e.g.
It might have been clearer to use taxonID for the common element and refer to old style suffixes (0-9, for global and regional assessments) and new style suffixes (unique numbers for versions of assessments).   Jts1882 | talk  16:13, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Those old-style suffixes in urls are replaced with new-style suffixes when a url is converted to the new-form. Old-style suffixes are always single digit? If so then my script should not make a url from a single-digit suffix.
But, |id= is pretty rare in {{cite iucn}} templates; (this search finds 7 – of which 6 are malformed (no suffix) which is caught by the module and an error message emitted).
What I want to know is: should we migrate away from |url= in wikitext and have the module create the link to iucn from |page=, |id=, |doi= (in that order I think)? I would say yes.
Trappist the monk (talk) 17:13, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Agreed. The url is not a needed parameter. Also agree on order. The page unambiguously provides the numbers for the url, the id would be taken from the url by the editor (but see next points), while using the doi number would always point to the original version (not ideal).
Looks like those malformed ids are the taxonID part (first component) of the new-style two component ID. I checked the first three and the |id= matched the first component of both the |page= and |doi=. I suspect they are parameters left over when converting a {{IUCN}} template to {{cite iucn}}. The properly formed one is one I converted to {{cite iucn}} a few days ago and left the |id= from the {{IUCN}} template.
So on second thoughts, |id= is unnecessary in {{cite iucn}}. It should be ignored and only give an error message when they don't match with |page= and/or |doi=. The only reason for keeping it would be to convert {{IUCN}} templates in future, but for now it serves no use.   Jts1882 | talk  18:24, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Ok, module tweaked to create urls from identifiers in the order listed above. I've tweaked my script to remove old-, original, and new-form urls when there are properly formed identifiers. When properly formed identifiers are not available, old-form urls are converted to original-form urls (the module categorizes these). I am of a mind to retain support for |id= at least for the nonce and revisit when the dust settles. I think that I am ready to start running the script.
Trappist the monk (talk) 21:49, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Looking at the errors, I have a couple of comments:
  1. When there is a mismatch between the doi and url this is not necessarily an error. This is correct when the url points to an amended assessment. The url and page should, match but the doi will still have the numbers for the original version. Examples at Pardofelis (refs 8 & 9)
  2. When there is a mismatch between the page and url this is an error The correct url should match the page id numbers, so it links to the updated page.. At the moment the url is being used for the link. Example at Honey badger (ref 1).
I've also noticed that new IUCN assessments are not including the doi in the citation (e.g. leopard). This could be a sign that they realise that dois that change the destination defeat their purpose.   Jts1882 | talk  11:53, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
iucn are not doing us any favors by their peculiar handling of doi identifiers. I think that the errors are correct because only an editor can determine how the citation should be written. Because this is a mess, we should probably refine the template's documentation to better explain why the message exists and what it means. This lets editors determine for themselves the best course of action. In your Pardofelis ref 8 for example:
It is for knowledgeable editors to determine what to do when these differences occur.
I hope that you are right and that iucn do realise that dois that change the destination defeat their purpose.
Trappist the monk (talk) 13:57, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
The Pardofelis citation is written correctly. The editor must have been looking at a revised assessment, where the listed citation and the page url will have the assessment number of the revision. An amended assessment will always have a mismatch between the electronic page number (and its associated url) and the doi by design (the IUCN's peculiar design). The doi contains the assessment number of the original assessment, which can't be what the editor was looking at as it has a different page number and url. If both page and url match and differ from the doi, we can be certain that the revised assessment is the correct one.
When there is a mismatch between, the page and url parameters, then this is an editor error. If the url and doi numbers agree and the page parameter has a different value then we can be fairly sure that the page parameter contains the correct information. An editor can only get the new number from the revised assessment.
This is why I think we can rely on the page number parameter. The first case is not an error in the way the citation template was written (its due to the iucn's design). The second case is an editor error, but we can be fairly sure they have looked at an amended assessment (to get the new page number). I don't think it necessary to output the error on the page, a warning and tracking category should do.   Jts1882 | talk  14:28, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
To try and help keep track of the different numbers, I've written a background summary on at Module:Iucn/doc.   Jts1882 | talk  14:50, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
Good. I've tweaked it a bit.
Trappist the monk (talk) 15:15, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
You know that, and I know that, and editors possibly know that, but readers certainly do not know that. The error message highlights a discrepancy that editors should resolve so that readers aren't confounded when they click a doi link that lands them on the same taxon/assessment page despite the different taxon/assessment identifiers in the doi. It is for the editor to resolve the discrepancy so that the rendered iucn links go to the correct places with the least amount of confusion to the reader. If the amended version is acceptable, delete |doi=; if not, change |page= to the doi's identifiers which will link |title= to the pre-amendment assessment; delete |doi= to avoid confusion. Don't do anything that can confuse readers.
Trappist the monk (talk) 14:59, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

what about {{IUCN}} and similar?[edit]

Earlier in this discussion editor Jts1882 wrote: The only reason for keeping [|id=] would be to convert {{IUCN}} templates in future, but for now it serves no use. Since I am hip-deep in converting {{cite journal}} and {{cite web}} to {{cite iucn}}, why am I not, at the same time, converting the {{IUCN}} series to {{cite iucn}}?

Here is the current (as of this morning) count of these templates (17,321)

A spot-check of those templates indicates that they all call {{IUCN}}, create a url from |id= and support some parameters not supported by {{cite iucn}}:


This parameter is a native cs1|2 parameter; what value does it provide in the new red list scheme?


These are supported by {{cite iucn}} but should they be? All of the many {{cite web}} and {{cite journal}} templates converted to {{cite iucn}}, none use any of these because cs1|2 doesn't support these parameter names. I see no reason to continue to support these names so when / if {{IUCN}} and companions are converted, these parameters should be converted to the generic cs1|2 parameters.

|assessor= and variants

The {{IUCN}} templates default to |mode=cs1 and |def=harv. |mode=cs1 is unnecessary because the {{IUCN}} templates use {{cite web}} and {{cite iucn}} uses {{cite journal}}.

So, conversion might look like this (from Giraffe):

{{IUCN|version=2018.1|assessor=Fennessy, S.|assessor2=Fennessy, J.|assessor3=Muller, Z.|assessor4=Brown, M.|assessor5=Marais, A.|last-assessor-amp=yes|year=2018|id=174469|title=Giraffa camelopardalis ssp. rothschildi|downloaded=2019-08-25}}


{{cite iucn |author=Fennessy, S.|author2=Fennessy, J.|author3=Muller, Z.|author4=Brown, M.|author5=Marais, A.|last-author-amp=yes|year=2018|url=|title=Giraffa camelopardalis ssp. rothschildi|access-date=2019-08-25 |ref=harv}}
Fennessy, S.; Fennessy, J.; Muller, Z.; Brown, M. & Marais, A. (2018). "Giraffa camelopardalis ssp. rothschildi". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. 2018. Retrieved 2019-08-25. Cite uses deprecated parameter |last-author-amp= (help)CS1 maint: ref=harv (link)

Any reason that I should not do these kinds of conversions?

Trappist the monk (talk) 15:58, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

The template documentation says the template is now obsolete and people should use {{cite journal}}. My thinking was to convert the template to use the module function, with the appropriate aliasing of parameters. However, if the template is no longer being added to pages and all uses are from old edits then there is no need to keep multiple templates. The version templates seem to just add the |version= parameter (while still requiring the year) so were of limited value.
The |version= parameter gives the version of the redlist, which is now takes the form 2019-3 (latest version) to reflect several updates to the list each year. In the past it referred to a published list, but in the electronic age it is a bit redundant, as it overlaps with the access date. Although I habitualluy add this when I make a reference, the IUCN's recommended citation no longer includes it. Perhaps it should be kept for older citations without the electronic page number.
The |criteria-version= refers to the version of categories and criteria use to make the conservation assessment. These go back to the early days of the IUCN assessments, when the IUCN was devloping their methodology and kept changing the categories and criteria, but all assessments since 2001 have used IUCN Red List Categories and Criteria. Version 3.1. There can’t be many assessments that old so its probably obsolete, although still use as a parameter in taxoboxes. It's no longer part of the IUCN's recommended citation so I see no reason to include it.
In short, not really, unless people are still actively using the template for new citations. It makes sense to have all the IUCN citations fully compliant with the CS1/2 templates and have one place to make any future updates.   Jts1882 | talk  08:33, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
The note in {{IUCN}} documentation needs a rewrite because as we've discussed, dois do not link to the specific assessment version (as they properly should do) but get redirected to the most current assessment. Original-form urls also redirect to the most current assessment so the only way to get to an older assessment is to know that assessment's electronic page number or find an archived copy someplace. Should also recommend {{cite iucn}} instead of {{cite journal}}.
I guess I think that we should not retain the |version= and |criteria-version= parameters from these templates. The url created by these templates gets redirected to the current assessment so |version= and |criteria-version= are meaningless at best and confusing at worst. If they conveyed meaningful information that could serve to help readers locate a particular assessment then retaining them would have benefit. In the current iucn website, there doesn't appear to be a way to locate older assessments. It might be useful to document how to construct an original- or old-form url from an electronic page number for editors who wish to seek older assessments at an archival site.
I'll pick away at code to convert these {{IUCN}} templates to {{cite iucn}}.
Trappist the monk (talk) 11:51, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

editor's aid[edit]

It occurred to me that editors might want to simply copy the example citation from an iucn species page, drop it into a template that would auto-subst into a {{cite iucn}} template. So I have hacked Module:Sandbox/trappist_the_monk/make_cite_iucn and {{make cite iucn}} to do that. This tool is not extensively tested but all of the examples that I have tried work.





Trappist the monk (talk) 17:43, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

I think it is useful. Most of those I tested worked. The exception was one citaition with an ampersand after an Oxford comma, which ended up with an author name with the ampersand.
  • Jdeidi, T., Masseti, M., Nader, I., de Smet, K., & Cuzin, F. 2010. Leptailurus serval . The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species 2010: e.T11638A3299247. Downloaded on 27 December 2019.
  • Template: Jdeidi, T.; Masseti, M.; Nader, I.; de Smet, K.; & Cuzin, F. (2010). "Leptailurus serval ". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. 2010: e.T11638A3299247. Retrieved 27 December 2019.
  • Subst: Jdeidi, T.; Masseti, M.; Nader, I.; de Smet, K.; & Cuzin, F. (2010). "Leptailurus serval ". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. 2010: e.T11638A3299247. Retrieved 27 December 2019.
While it can't be expected to catch all aberrant citations by the IUCN, this one wouldn't have been obvious from the subtituted result.   Jts1882 | talk  07:31, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Yep, thanks, fixed that:
{{cite iucn |author=Jdeidi, T. |author2=Masseti, M. |author3=Nader, I. |author4=de Smet, K. |author5=Cuzin, F. |year=2010 |title=Leptailurus serval |volume=2010 |page=e.T11638A3299247 |doi= |access-date=27 December 2019}}
At some point I intend to move the code in Module:Sandbox/trappist_the_monk/make_cite_iucn to Module:Iucn. Any objections to that?
Trappist the monk (talk) 11:58, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Not at all. I'm all in favour of keeping things in one place or in subpages when the module gets too large. I've deleted the main() and cite2() functions as all I'd hoped to do with them to bring all iucn citations into one place is now done by cite(). Thanks for what you have done on this. It's a shame there still some dead links because of the IUCN's changes, but I can't see what more can be done.   Jts1882 | talk  13:36, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Right, did that; also deleted the unused data{} table.
And I found this:
Abreu-Grobois, A & Plotkin, P. (IUCN SSC Marine Turtle Specialist Group) 2008. Lepidochelys olivacea . The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species 2008: e.T11534A3292503. Downloaded on 28 December 2019.
No <dot> after first author's initial. Meh, that's fixable. But what to do about (IUCN SSC Marine Turtle Specialist Group)? Is that a collaboration so assign it to |collaboration= or is it an affiliation so ignore it because cs1|2 does not support affiliations? Or, is it the third author? But if the third author, why in parentheses? cs1|2 renders collaborations in parentheses so I am inclined to do this:
{{cite iucn |author1=Abreu-Grobois, A. |author2=Plotkin, P. |collaboration=IUCN SSC Marine Turtle Specialist Group |year=2008 |title=''Lepidochelys olivacea'' |volume=2008 |page=e.T11534A3292503 |doi=10.2305/IUCN.UK.2008.RLTS.T11534A3292503.en |access-date=28 December 2019}}
Abreu-Grobois, A.; Plotkin, P.; et al. (IUCN SSC Marine Turtle Specialist Group) (2008). "Lepidochelys olivacea". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. 2008: e.T11534A3292503. doi:10.2305/IUCN.UK.2008.RLTS.T11534A3292503.en. Retrieved 28 December 2019.
Trappist the monk (talk) 22:58, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
I think collaboration covers what the IUCN specialist groups do very well. They are groups of people from all over the world (many different affiliations) who work on conservation actions for specific groups of animals (Turtles, Cats, etc). It's very much a collaboration. The authors of the assessment will be collating information from the wider group.   Jts1882 | talk  15:44, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays[edit]

Xmastreenewyork06.jpg Merry Christmas, Tom.Reding!
Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Wikipedia. And for all the help you've thrown my way over the years. May this Holiday Season bring you nothing but joy, health and prosperity.CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 22:33, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
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Taxonbar issue[edit]

I started a discussion at Template talk:Taxonbar#Order of entries which you may not have seen (it being the holidays!).

I'm puzzled by the behaviour of the code in Module:Taxonbar.

Consider the taxonbar at Cranfillia fullagari as an example.

I want these three to appear in the taxonbar in the order Cranfillia fullagari, Blechnum fullagarii, Lomaria fullagari. If in the article I put the parameters in the order I want, i.e. {{taxonbar|from1=Q42734713|from2=Q16749980|from3=Q42853943}}, then, as I would expect from reading the code, the one linked at Wikidata moves to the top, so I get Blechnum fullagarii, Cranfillia fullagari, Lomaria fullagari. However, Jts1882 pointed out a work-around. If I swap the order of the first two to {{taxonbar|from2=Q42734713|from1=Q16749980|from3=Q42853943}}, then the order becomes the one I want. However, this isn't what I would expect from reading the code; I can't at present figure out why.

What I would really like is for the item whose taxon name is the same as the article title to be moved first. We often have to link from the 'wrong' Wikidata item to ensure that the most language links are present.


  • Can you see why the code behaves as it does? (But please don't fix it unless making the change below.)
  • How about changing to move forwards the article title?

Peter coxhead (talk) 14:54, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Possible connected issue. Go to Cranfillia fullagari and add {{Taxonbar|from=Q42734713}} – you get a single taxon in the taxonbar, namely Q42734713. The same happens if you add {{Taxonbar|from1=Q42734713}}. However, if you change the "1" to any other number, e.g. {{Taxonbar|from2=Q42734713}}, then the code adds the taxon synonym Q16749980. This may be (part of) why putting the from parameters in the 'wrong' order produces the 'right' output order. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:40, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Linking plain years[edit]

Hi, please don't. wp:overlink Tony (talk) 07:28, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

@Tony1: where did I do that?   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  15:32, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Glad to know you don't do it; and I should have linked. ... And I might have got it wrong. Tony (talk) 00:01, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Reporting vandalism of a page you edited validly[edit]

Hello! I have very recently signed up for wikipedia, but have been an extremely regular user since childhood.

I have found wikipedia to be quite the excellent resource for spiritual purposes, given the large amount of work and resources.

You have edited a a page on buddhism called 'Sahaja' some time ago. The page has since been vandalized by some individual with some inane garbage. It is an extremely significant article about an ancient tradition of buddhism, and its vandalizement by some idiotic individual may be preventing many individuals from reaching extremely valuable knowledge.

I do not really understand how to revert a page back to its previous edit. Many others and I would definitely be most obliged if you could revert the page back to your edit at the soonest.

Thank you in advance, and for the many contributions you have made in your long presence as an active wikipedia user, benefiting users like me. BlancMasque (talk) 07:39, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Ezra Bayda page update[edit]

Hi! I have updated the Ezra Bayda page with new information. I did so previously but it was removed because there was no verifiable reference given. Would you be willing to check the citation to make sure it is the correct form?

Mizeditor (talk) 23:48, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Wordinal to number[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:Wordinal to number has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. BrandonXLF (talk) 07:54, 18 February 2020 (UTC)


Hello, what was the purpose of such edits? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 18:40, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@1234qwer1234qwer4: see Template:Redirect category shell/doc.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  19:47, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors![edit]

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Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 18:35, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Discogobio dienbieni[edit]


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Why are you reverting my corrections at my own page?[edit]

Hi, Mr. Tom Reding, I am the owner of my Wikipedia page under my name Aleksander Vezuli. What is the problem?

  1. You do not own that nor any other page.
  2. Per Special:History/Aleksandër Vezuli, Bbb23 reverted your recent COI edits.
Please discuss this on a more appropriate talk page.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  15:44, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Navseasoncats with centuries below decade/sandbox[edit]

Hey, mind taking a look at Module:Navseasoncats with centuries below decade/sandbox. I've made it work for decadesBelowYear and tested it on a few pages which passed. --Gonnym (talk) 13:19, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gonnym: I was planning on overhauling Module:Navseasoncats with centuries below decade after/during Luafication of Template:Navseasoncats with decades below year in the nearish future. This may or may not include tweaks to the main Module:Navseasoncats to make these interact better/more generally (which I won't know until I start going down that rabbit hole). Any solution to these stacked navs should also be made to accommodate Category:1760s establishments in the Province of Quebec (1763–1791) type cats, which neither live nor the sandbox yet do.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  14:11, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
I see, ok. Looking at the code, that category issue does not seem to reside in the sub-module. "nextTierDateCategory" returns "18th-century establishments in the Province of Quebec (1763–1791)" (which seems to be the correct category), and this is what it passes to Navseasoncats through the expandTemplate. --Gonnym (talk) 14:25, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

"National population register" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect National population register. Since you had some involvement with the National population register redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Italawar (talk) 15:34, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Life-cycle cost analysis[edit]

Hello Tom,

It appears that you changed my information on the Life-cycle cost analysis page. Please undo. You made it completely opposite of the point of the article. The point is that the more expensive roof with the 35 year life expectancy is cheaper in the long run. That's the point of Life-cycle cost analysis. The cheapest roof @ $14,000 will need to be roofed twice plus the $4,000 cost of detaching and re-attaching the PV panels, in affect making it a $32,000 life-cycle cost.

The more expensive roof is the winner in this scenario. I will add to this page since it is not clear.

Thank you.

Jon Vaughn 760-533-5090Jon Tomas Vaughn (talk) 01:26, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Dtl[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:Dtl has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. * Pppery * it has begun... 20:36, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia page[edit]

Hello! Let me preface this by saying I'm new to all of this so I may be going about this the wrong way, but I'm trying to see if someone would be available to create a page. You did an edit on a page similar to the company I'm inquiring about. If at all interested, message me back and I can share more of the details with you. Thanks in advance for your time! UserKH (talk) 22:10, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@UserKH: sorry, I have no interest in that, but try asking at WP:Teahouse.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  14:46, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Updating Pagurus armatus Page[edit]

Hello! I am an undergraduate student at Boston University majoring in Marine Science. I was assigned to research a marine organism for one of my classes and create a Wikipedia article for it. The hermit crab Pagurus armatus was my organism. Seeing that you were the last to make edits on the page, I would like to ask for your permission to continue updating it. I have found more information on the organism. I will gladly share how I formatted/created the page. I did not change any of the information that was already on there.

Ndkara19 (talk) 01:41, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ndkara19: no permission is needed to edit Wikipedia articles, as long as they're not WP:PROTECTed. Just be mindful of the WP:BRD cycle. Also, it's useful to see how other similar pages are formatted & written, to serve as a guide.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  09:36, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Podcast Interview Proposal[edit]

Dear Tom,

My name is Breeanne and I am a choreographer, sound artist, and podcaster hoping to gain your attention. My podcast is a mix between investigative journalism and personal opinion centered around multiple historically profound moments in the timeline of performance art around the world. You are the most recent editor of the article about the first American comedy, "The Contrast" by Royall Tyler, and I am delighted to see such a well rounded profile matching someone who knows a bit about the history of said play. I would love to interview you briefly (no more than 10 minutes of your time) to gain your general perspective about the history of American theater and anything else that seems to be relevant in our conversation.

It would be my pleasure to give you any more details and answer any questions you may have. Feel free to respond to this comment or email me at [email protected]

I look forward to your response, dear friend!

All the best,

BreeanneSlaxberg (talk) 15:57, 14 April 2020 (UTC) B Slaxberg I am the niece of Rick Redewill. Tom Redding, email me [email protected] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:204:E680:9340:901D:73BB:3BF1:19B2 (talk) 01:50, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

"VW" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


A discussion is taking place to address the redirect VW. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 May 25#VW until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Logo fixer (talk) 15:08, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposal to delete category "Czech companies established in 1989"[edit]

Please see my proposal to delete or upmerge the category you amended Category:Czech companies established in 1989 Hugo999 (talk) 12:39, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Union Of Knives: New article[edit]

Hi there, I've just started a new article for Union of Knives. As you have helped with corrections to the Baby Chaos article in the past, please could I ask your thoughts on this? Any helpful suggestions or corrections welcome, I know the references aren't displayed as well as they could be but I don't know how to do this right, especially for printed articles. Many thanks VPeck (talk) 21:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

About a WP:AWB edit of yours[edit]

Hi, just letting you know that I'm partially reverting this edit of yours, as it uses "Aimen" as a proper noun (the name of a character), one that happens to be particularly common in Pakistan (e.g. actress Aiman Khan). While I haven't gone through your contributions to see if this issue may have occurred elsewhere, I just wanted to ask that you make sure a "typo" is indeed a typo before having it corrected, and note that you are responsible for the effects of any edits made via AWB. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 22:45, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Fixed   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  22:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

T236729 “Genfixes removes comma from quoted date”[edit]

Dear Tom.Reading. I refer to Phabricator T236729 "Genfixes removes comma from quoted date", which you kindly created on 28 Oct 2019 in reaction to edits you made and then reverted on the article "Margaret Magennis, Viscountess Iveagh" using AWB Genfixes. From time to time people still edit date formats in the quotations I add. I recently had an incident with someone who refuses to revert. So I looked up what is going on with T236729. The answer is: not much. Its status is "Open, Needs Triage". Is this sheer backlog? Is there anything I could do? With many thanks, Johannes Schade (talk) 17:58, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

@Johannes Schade: yep, it's all backlog since maintenance & upgrades are all volunteer driven. The simplest thing to do in the meantime is add {{Bots|deny=AWB}} to the top of the page, and perhaps <!--See Phabricator T236729--> next to it for reference.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  11:26, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata IDs[edit]

Hi; I noticed that you added the Wikidata ID to the taxon bar in the article Clythrocerus, which was already displaying Wikidata information because of the Wikidata sitelink to the article. In this sort of situation I've developed the habit of actually removing the Wikidata ID from the Wikipedia article so as to avoid the possibility of a conflict; but seeing you do otherwise makes me worry that I'm doing the wrong thing. Is there a policy or guideline or just general practice that encourages reciprocal links like this from Wikipedia back to Wikidata? Thanks, --▸₷truthiousandersnatch 05:04, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Sometimes taxa are recognised as different names by different authorities, but Wikidata only allows a one-to-one correspondence between Wikidata items and Wikipedia articles. Adding multiple Wikidata ids to the taxonbar allows people to find further information on other sites that use different names. In this case there is only one id at the moment, but hardcoding means changes at Wikidata don't remove information without an editor action. For instance, say the genus was merged into another genus and Wikidata was changed to reflect this, we would still want the taxonbar to link to sources using Clythrocerus as well those using the merged genus name. —  Jts1882 | talk  07:13, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Ah! Thank you for taking the time to explain, Jts1882. --▸₷truthiousandersnatch 07:37, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

CFD for neologisms categories[edit]

Some of the categories, which you have created or edited are proposed for renaming. You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 4 § Neologisms, words and phases introduced in time periods. —⁠andrybak (talk) 02:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

"NFT Ventures" listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

Information.svg A discussion is taking place to address the redirect NFT Ventures. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 6#NFT Ventures until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:50, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Template:Encyclopaedia of Islam, New Edition[edit]

Hi Tom, I saw your edit on the Classical period about "last-author-amp=y/yes" and I'm wondering if you know how to resolve all the error messages on Template:Encyclopaedia of Islam, New Edition that seem to be about something similar? Best - Aza24 (talk) 00:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

 Already resolved   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  12:56, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Cite format[edit]

Cleavage (breasts) has a very large citation formatting problem. Care to lend a hand? Aditya(talkcontribs) 01:25, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  12:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Wow. Face-smile.svg Thank you Aditya(talkcontribs) 16:28, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Update to name-list-style=amp[edit]

When these updates aren't done by a bot, they can't be filtered out of my watchlist (as far as I know), which is then flooded so I'm likely to miss significant changes. Can you handle these updates differently? Peter coxhead (talk) 08:37, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

@Peter coxhead: I was AFWiki for the past few months, but managed to come back (for better or worse) right before a substantial Module:Citation/CS1 update yesterday. I thought I'd clean up my favorite niches instead of looking WP-wide. From my cursory investigation, it looks like a small, but non-trivial, % of pages transcluding {{Taxonbar}} now contain one of these deprecated citation parameter errors (I'm updating almost all of them less |editors= & |ignore-isbn-error=). I'll spread a wider net of pages.
@Trappist the monk: is there a monk task in the works to handle these, or is the plan to farm the work out to the gnomes?   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  12:53, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
@Peter coxhead: for what it's worth, on my watchlist filters (which filter in, as opposed to out; the word "filter" to me is arbitrary unless qualified, which is my only quibble with the display; anyway...), I just checked the following "contribution quality predictions":
  1. May have problems
  2. Likely have problems
  3. Very likely have problems
and my edits disappeared. "Very likely good" (the only contribution-quality remaining unchecked) is "highly accurate at finding almost all problem-free edits.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  13:19, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval § Monkbot 17 is intended for |last-author-amp=. Not enough of |ignore-isbn-error= to bot so I expect that, no-one-beating-me-to-it, I'll hack an awb script to spin through Category:CS1 maint: ignored ISBN errors.
Trappist the monk (talk) 13:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Tom.Reding, edits like this fall foul of WP:AWBRULES no. 4 because all you have done is replace a perfectly-valid parameter, i.e. |authormask=1 with an alias for that same parameter, i.e. |author-mask=1 - there is zero effect on the rendered page. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:52, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
@Redrose64: incorrect; see the associated error messages prior to my edit.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  10:56, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
"Deprecated" does not mean "you must remove it forthwith", it means "don't use it in future, and if you are editing the article for any legitimate reason, you should also fix the deprecated content". --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:59, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
It's still an error.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  12:04, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
I must admit that I, too, was annoyed to find my watchlist rendered almost totally useless these last few days by Tom Redding's miniscule and seemingly pointless parameter replacements which then mask out more significant edits that might have been made. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:12, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Jonn Poker[edit]

Hi, I was wondering if you could check the page “Jonn poker Internet personality” and see if you think could be worthy of Wikipedia? Astro1995 (talk) 19:48, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


Hi! I noticed you have been doing a lot of cleaning of the CS1 errors. As I myself was recently given access to JWB, I have been trying to help as well, mostly to practice using JWB. I have a concern, however, I fixed more 1500 pages over about a day and a half and when I went back to check the category again, the number of tagged pages increased from around 10,000 to over 13,000. I am wondering, then, should we program a bot to take care of this and request it for approval? It seems like a great candidate for a bot. The edits can be fully automated, once I turned off the regex spell checking, there is no real need to proofread and the pages as it is easy to write regex to only fix the template problems. I don't know how many more hours should be spent by people working on it if it just keeps expanding beyond our control. Please let me know what you think, thanks! Footlessmouse (talk) 16:02, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

@Footlessmouse: the reason Category:CS1 errors: deprecated parameters (16) (currently @ 17,822) keeps rising is that the updated CS1 module code is only rerun when a page is edited or purged, which is kinder on the servers than rushing through every page. Yes, there is a bot that has been pending even a glace by the WP:BAG for 11 days now since October 4. It would not be unusual to take weeks until it's finally approved, which is why I choose to take small bites out of the category each day.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  17:10, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

On the topic of CS1 errors, 'name-list-style=true' results in one; the value for the parameter needs to be 'amp' instead. So rather than 'last-author-amp=true' becoming 'name-list-style=true', it should be 'name-list-style=amp'. I mention it because I noticed this edit and a few others. Perhaps one day they'll stop mucking about with the citation templates. One can hope. Cheers, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 07:34, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

 14 found & corrected.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  11:13, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, it's this again: 'name-list-style=yes' as here and here results in the page being added to Category:CS1 errors: invalid parameter value. Please change them to a valid value. Thanks. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 13:08, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

 Done, thank you. Fixed all instances, 14 of which were mine.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  13:53, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! BlackcurrantTea (talk) 13:56, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Jungle Cat[edit]

Hi, Why did you revert my mark that I added that it also lives in Israel? If for a political reason I will go full length to fight against you. Wikipedia shoudn't be political. I added a fact. Please unrevert it or I will take it to higher grounds. Tt100 (talk) 21:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

This comment is so wrong for so many reasons:
  1. First and foremost, Tom didn't revert the edit. It was another editor.
  2. Your change was unsourced. Wikipedia follows reliable sources and the given source says Palestine. Palestine is the geographical region including Israel (the wikilinked on Palestine mentions Israel in the first sentence). Without a more specific source there is no way of knowing if the cat is found in Israel or the West Bank.
  3. Making threats to other users is frowned upon on Wikipedia. You should assume good faith (WP:AGF).
If you have a reliable source for more detail on the distribution you can add the information along with the source. Alternatively you could discuss it first on the article talk page. (Talk:Jungle cat).—  Jts1882 | talk  07:40, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
I strongly endorse Jts1882's comments. Tt100: the political edit was yours, replacing a sourced geographical region widely used in the context of animal and plant distributions by a term applying only to one country in that region. If you had followed the link you removed, you would have seen the reason it was used. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:18, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Turns out this a very long & slow edit war, so I've applied {{uw-ew}} to their talk page with 4 relevant diffs.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  11:39, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
I didn't intend to threat anyone, I'm just tired of changes due to political reasons. If you read my post again you would understand (I sate that load and clear). My first edit was not fully correct and I acknowledged that, but my 2nd edit was correct (without deleting others content) and it was also reverted and that is what made me angry. Regarding a source, I will add one, nonetheless in all the other languages and especially in Hebrew it states that the Jungle Cat is a resident of the Israeli Fauna. Before deleting stuff automatically one can check, this is what I would expect from a formidable user. Tt100 (talk) 12:48, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for your helpful contributions to Superman vs. Spider-Man XXX: An Axel Braun Parody, what do you think of recent improvements to the article? Right cite (talk) 01:52, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Moving short descriptions[edit]

Hi, your edits, such as this one, often move short descriptions down from their proper position at the very top of the page. That's where they should always be, according to the MOS. Could you amend your script to avoid that please? MichaelMaggs (talk) 17:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@MichaelMaggs: thank you - I did not realize I was running an older version of AWB. The newest version moves it to the right place. I'll go back through my edits to correct where necessary.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  17:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Ah, that's interesting to know. I'll have to check whether JWB that I sometimes use on my Mac also needs updating. MichaelMaggs (talk) 17:36, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Tom.Reding: I am a fan of your gnome work, but I think that this edit violates AWB rule 4 (no change to the rendered page). Be careful out there. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:36, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
@Jonesey95: thanks for looking out. It does change the rendered page though, by swapping the order of the SD & the {{For}} text, and I'm only doubling back on my own edits for now. There might be a special user preference for showing/hiding SDs IIRC.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  20:43, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't see a change in the rendering (I have the SD gadget turned on); for me, the SD always renders at the top, regardless of where it appears in the wikitext. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:47, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
Interesting - I certainly do.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  21:09, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

My error on National Party (Ireland, 2016)[edit]

Hi Tom. I made some substantial edits to [[:National Party (Ireland, 2016}]] earlier, but one of those was a bad edit that eliminated a lot of material incorrectly. I think I may have had a couple of different tabs open and edited in the wrong one. I'm going to revert to an earlier version and rework my edits, but thought I'd give you a heads-up in case it's flagged that your subsequent edit gets reverted. I'll restore those changes too. Regards, BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 22:19, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

@Bastun: thanks, I'll rerun my script on the page later anyway, in case that's easier for you than having to manually redo my changes.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  22:24, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Module:Navseasoncats/navdecade[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgModule:Navseasoncats/navdecade has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:37, 3 December 2020 (UTC)