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Precious anniversary[edit]

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Six years!
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:48, 10 October 2020 (UTC)


Invitation to join the Fifteen Year Society[edit]

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Dear Xaosflux,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Fifteen Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for fifteen years or more. ​

Best regards, Chris Troutman (talk) 16:58, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

 Donexaosflux Talk 16:59, 16 October 2020 (UTC)


Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG Welcome to Project Spaceflight! Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. :) --Neopeius (talk) 01:55, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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This is to show appreciation for aiding me to solve my problem. Celestina007 (talk) 19:20, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Category contents query[edit]

Hello, Xaosflux,

I've been seeing an ongoing, occasional problem for years which is tagged pages not showing up in category listings. But every time I've brought the issue to the Village Pump, someone deletes my example so it is no longer evidence of a problem. So, since you reply to many technical questions, I thought I'd come directly here and hope that no friendly talk page stalkers who are admins will take action before you can give me a reply.

The page I ran into today is User_talk:Violetcries/Placebo. It was tagged as a CSD G13 last August but was not placed in the correct CSD category for stale drafts. The interesting thing is that I think the tagging is incorrect, but that's not the issue. Is this a problem with Twinkle or is there other code here interfering with the page being categorized?

The typical category problem I've been annoyed with are twofold:

  • a)There are drafts that are removed from Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions and the draft is then tagged Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions. But this G13 eligible category is always empty. Always. The drafts that were categorized as eligible soon lose that tag and are then categorized as eligible now but they do not appear as category contents. Because I use SDZeroBot's lists instead of the category, I've come across old drafts that are eligible for deletion but since they have been removed from Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions, the taggers who utilize this category don't see them because they don't reappear in the eligible now category.

The commonality is that both of these examples involve a change in status and the pages are not tagged for deletion by an editor. I've talked with ProcrastinatingReader about the maintenance category problem and he advised waiting to see if the categories eventually show up in Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion. But two or three times a year, I can go through Category:Clean-up categories and find dozens of now empty categories that were tagged months ago and never showed up where patrolling admins could see them.

It's not a huge problem as it doesn't affect any area that readers would see but it's just been an ongoing irritant. I brought it up at the Village Pump years ago and there either wasn't a solution or I was told that the engineers were "working on it". Any thoughts about any of this? Thanks in advance. Liz Read! Talk! 22:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

@Liz: there could be a couple of things at play, I may be able to at least track down the tracking bugs! In your examples is what is happening that the category a page is expected to be in changes without someone actually editing said page (such as through some sort of date magic?) — xaosflux Talk 22:53, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Oh, categories of categories, things get confusing so I'll use the Draft example. Say Draft A is now eligible for CSD G13 deletion. So the category on the Draft A changes from Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions to Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions. The categories on Draft A are changed. But Draft A doesn't appear in Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions which (always) appears to be empty. The same thing is occurring with the maintenance categories which are tagged for CSD G6 when they become empty but do not appear in Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion. The reason this stands out is when an editor physically changes categories on any page, it immediately appears in the correct category.
Since posting this message, I went to ProcrastinatingReader's talk page and he is dealing with something similar with AFC drafts not updating to the right categories. These seem to all be cases of status-based category changes. If I tagged each category myself, they would appear in the right category. But if the status of category/draft changes (from a filled category to am empty category, from "eligible soon" to "eligible", from a day old draft to a week old draft), the pages show a change in status with the category changing but the pages don't appear in the new categories. On this Phabricator ticket that was raised about the AFC problem, there is a comment that "it seems not a good idea to use the category system for time related things".
None of this really explains why this system worked before and only seems to have run into problems over the past year. Liz Read! Talk! 02:01, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
@Liz: hi again, when you say Draft A changes from Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions to Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions. How is this changing? Is it changing from an editor changing something on the page? A bot? Or is it some template that is using something like date math? — xaosflux Talk 09:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello, Xaosflux,
I am just terrible about not following up on talk page discussions that I started. My notifications flag is permanently at 99+ and I need to clear it so I see when I am pinged. A couple of things.
  • I'm not sure what happened, but a week or so ago, empty clean up categories started showing up in Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion! It was a surprise to see them pop up, a half dozen at a time. That happened for a few days but has not happened recently. Still, it was nice to see the change. Thanks if it was due to you.
  • I've started to review User:JJMC89 bot/report/Draftifications/daily recently to find any cross-namespace redirects that were created from editors moving pages from Main space to Draft space that weren't tagged for deletion. I'm finding pages that ARE tagged for deletion but they aren't showing up Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as inappropriate cross-namespace redirects which just appears empty. This problem is slightly different from the one I mention above because these pages are being physically tagged by editors moving the pages but they not appearing in a category while the clean up categories didn't show up when they changed status (going from full categories to empty categories).
  • As far as the CSD G13 drafts, the change in status is when a draft that hasn't been edited in, say, 5 months, 30 days and 23 hours becomes a draft that hasn't been edited in an exact 6 months. If you look at Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions, you can see that it contains both Drafts that have AFC tags (either drafts that haven't been submitted or drafts that were submitted & declined) as well as User sandboxes. There is no additional tagging that occurs when they reach 6 months except for observant editors who notice they are CSD G13 eligible and who tag them for deletion. But no bot tags them when they hit 6 months and there is no consistent template that is used on all of them. But they should move to Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions when they hit 6 months and they aren't.
  • I'm not sure what bot classifies the pages to appear in Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions but that might help figure this out. But, if this isn't too much information for you, you could also ask SD0001 whose SDZeroBot creates an even more comprehensive list of upcoming G13s and posts them at User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon. SDZeroBot's list contains pages that don't appear in the AFC G13 category even though they qualify for deletion. I'm not sure what criteria SDZeroBot uses to put together their very helpful lists.
I hope this helps explain what's going on currently. Liz Read! Talk! 02:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
@Liz: Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions and Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions are both populated by date math done in {{AfC submission}}; there's no bot involved. This process is inherently unreliable because it will happen only when (i) someone visits the draft page and (ii) MW doesn't have a cached version of the page. Only then would MW bother to re-parse the page causing change of categorisation (another way to make it happen is to use a bot to purge them).
Also since those cats are template-populated, they can't contain pages that don't have {{AFC submission}} on them, which is why SDZeroBot lists have more entries – SDZeroBot uses direct database queries rather than rely on the categories. – SD0001 (talk) 15:25, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
@Liz the same problems due to caching would likely occur with emptied maintaince cats that you mention. If you want to delete them, it may be better to go by a database report here too -- I wrote one just now (source) wikified output at User:SDZeroBot/Empty_monthly_maintenance_categories. None of those cats are currently being shown at category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion though they should have. As for why User talk:Violetcries/Placebo isnt' categorised, if you see the source of {{db-g13}} you'd find {{category handler | all = {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}}|Draft|User=[[Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]][[Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as abandoned drafts or AfC submissions]]}} which means that cat will only be applied if the page is in draft/user spaces – which indeed seems like sub-optimal behaviour, I'd at least expect it to populate an error category. And Xaosflux, sorry for the many talkpage edit notifications! – SD0001 (talk) 16:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Testwiki[edit]

Hey, xaosflux. Can you restore my testwiki admin bit, so I can see how the Android app displays various types of blocks? See phab:T276149 for more. Already tried on enwiki, with no success. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

 Donexaosflux Talk 20:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:26, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-21[edit]

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Please Help Me Sir[edit]

@Xaosflux: Hi, Sir Can you Protected My User Page as User namespace Because in Present I'm Not Interested editing Our page.(Allow = edting only Admin|Infinte) Best Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rm1y5cx (talkcontribs) 07:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Rm1y5cx: we generally only apply protection if there is a problem, we have a filter that automatically protects base userpages from unregistered editing as well. — xaosflux Talk 10:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: Thanks for this Information .Best Regards

Rm1y5cx (talkcontribs) 11:40 , 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Everybody falls sometimes, you gotta find the strength to rise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CameronMcDonald1234 (talkcontribs) 23:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Filepage.css[edit]

Hi Xaosflux. Regarding my edit request, can I ask how long I should expect it to be on hold for? Thanks, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 03:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

@Neveselbert: someone will get to it, it is tracked on the backlog (User:AnomieBOT/IPERTable). — xaosflux Talk 10:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
It's been a week now. Would you possibly be able to test to see if it works as intended? Thanks, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

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Invitation for Functionary consultation 2021[edit]

Greetings,

I'm letting you know in advance about a meeting I'd like to invite you to regarding the Universal Code of Conduct and the community's ownership of its future enforcement. I'm still in the process of putting together the details, but I wanted to share the date with you: 27 June, 2021. I do not have a time on this date yet, but I will let you soon. We have created a meta page with basic information. Please take a look at the meta page and sign up your name under the appropriate section.

Thank you for your time.--BAnand (WMF) 02:49, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2021-23[edit]

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Administrators' newsletter – June 2021[edit]

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Tech News: 2021-24[edit]

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Your opinion on a new criteria for removal of Edit Filter Manager[edit]

I am preparing to propose a new criteria for removal of the Edit Filter Manager user right, but I would like your opinion on if you think it has a chance at passing because I don't want it to get [[WP:SNOW]]ed, and you are one of the most experienced "technical" admins. I want to propose that any user with the Edit Filter Manager user right who is blocked for at least a month can have the right removed immediately as a breach of trust, even if it has nothing to do with the Edit Filter Manager user right, as it is a very potent user right that requires the upmost trust. ( Currently, the right can only be removed for abuse or misuse of the right )Do you think this proposal would have a chance at passing, or do you think it wouldn't be of any use and would fail. Jackattack1597 (talk) 00:59, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jackattack1597: I don't think it would pass - mostly for a bunch of nitpicky reasons. Keep in mind that almost all EFM's are also admins - so that's not going to be a good solution for them, that means we have an entire 11 other users that this could apply to -- this 'lack of need' is likely what will sink this the most. This is also the reason I probably never got around to making a proper page for WP:EFM (like the one for WP:EFH) - where this sort of stuff could have been tacked on as part of a bulk-refresh where it would likely be uncontroversial. While not explicitly written - there is precedent to review any non-admin EFM at WP:EFN for removal even without explicit "abuse" (see Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks/Procedures#Enacting_bans_and_editing_restrictions). — xaosflux Talk 01:19, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
Okay, if there is precedent to review non-admin EFM for removal then my proposal isn't really necessary. The user in particular I was thinking of is Rich Farmborough, who has EFM but was indefinitely blocked in March. Would it be worthwhile to start a discussion at EFN or would that just be seen as gravedancing? ( I feel like probably the latter, but I want a second opinion.) As a sidenote, I hope you do eventually make a proper page for EFM, as it really isn't used much less by non-admins as EFH is, especially since EFM is arguably the most "powerful" userright available to non-admins. ( 11 vs 20)Jackattack1597 (talk) 01:51, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
@Jackattack1597: honestly, I wouldn't bother unless you have seen actual misuse on that one (there is a lot of history). If the indef stays, we generally remove EFM for inactivity as well (takes a year though). — xaosflux Talk 10:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
A quick look at the log doesn't suggest any problems, and their block is not accompanied by a ban and appears to be mostly about content-style issues. — xaosflux Talk 10:24, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

About my edit request on MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist[edit]

I saw you created the appropriate title blacklist pages but I have not seen the entries be added yet?

Is there a timeline for when you or another admin will get to it? It has been almost a day and I have waited a little patiently for a reply to be added. There is consensus to block saving books to Book: namespace in the Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Aasim (talk) 00:08, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Awesome Aasim: it is enqueued, you can see the history of User:AnomieBOT/PERTable to see how long FPROT requests are normally open and how big the current backlog is. — xaosflux Talk 00:16, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Unprotect or downgrade WT:Articles for creation[edit]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation is template protected, which is not suited for WT-space. Please unprotect or downgrade its protection. dudhhrContribs 17:25, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

@Dudhhr: the redirect? It would only be upgraded, and allowing TE's to help is fine there. WP:IAR. — xaosflux Talk 21:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC)