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August 13[edit]

Adding a Youtube video as a reference.[edit]

Having trouble adding a Youtube video as a reference. According to the guide found on Wikipedia of how to add one, it still won't work? I believe it is the Reference name that is the problem, and what the error says is causing it not to be added. Could it be something else not allowing it to be used as a reference?Hallow88 (talk) 00:21, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

This doesn't address your technical concerns, but there is consensus that YouTube is not a generally reliable source, unless it's a reliable source which has a channel on YouTube (for instance, the CNN YouTube channel.) Catrìona (talk) 00:26, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
And you'll find out how to format a reference at Help:Referencing for beginners. Your attempt was malformatted and misplaced. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:36, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

The video is of a official song and has been given permission to use by the owner, along with the same song as an earlier version with a different background singer.Hallow88 (talk) 00:41, 13 August 2018 (UTC) I have read the whole HELP page, but I keep getting this error only: Cite error: A list-defined reference named "Youtube|qgz9rXS8kTQ" is not used in the content (see the help page). What am I adding wrong here, how is the name correctly added?Hallow88 (talk) 01:12, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

You could try making a new section called "External links" and adding it there, minus the <ref> tags. Catrìona (talk) 01:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Probably a better idea thanks for the help.Hallow88 (talk) 01:48, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

How to reedit item after published?[edit]

Hello, I am new here, I want to know how to reedit an item when the item has been published? Or the item could not be edited again after published? Thank you!--Belle Tong (talk) 01:42, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Belle Tong. A large majority of pages here can be edited simply by clicking the "edit" button at the top of the page, or the "edit" button for the specific section you wish to edit. A small percentage of pages are protected, usually because of persistent vandalism. If you mention a specific page, we can give you advice if that page is protected. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:51, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Is there any other language could be used when edting an item?[edit]

Hello, I am new here. I want to know besides English, is there any other language could be used when editing an item? Thanks!--Belle Tong (talk) 01:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Belle Tong. This is the English language Wikipedia and all substantive content here should be written in English. It is acceptable to use references in other languages. If you want to write encyclopedia content in other languages, we have versions of Wikipedia in almost every significant language. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:05, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Hi Belle Tong. You probably need to read WP:Your first article and WP:Referencing for beginners before you create any more articles. English uses the definite article ("the") in lots of places where you omit the word. We can help with proof-reading and correcting your English to make it encyclopaedic, but Wikipedia is based on references, and you do need to include them. You might like to create future articles in WP:Draft space where the English can be polished before going live. Dbfirs 06:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
... later ... I see that your article has been moved to draft space where you can work on the English, the references, and formatting it as an encyclopaedia article. Dbfirs 19:27, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Link: Draft:Pipe spool fabrication. --CiaPan (talk) 13:49, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
@Belle Tong: If you're interested in Wikipedias in other languages, you may find interesting the Wikipedia article on Wikipedia itself: Wikipedia, esp. the section Wikipedia#Language editions.
See also the page List of Wikipedias linked there, which lists English Wikipedia's articles about Wikipedias in other languages and provides links to those Wikipedias, too. --CiaPan (talk) 13:58, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge[edit]

After "support" consensus on the above's Talk page, I have added on the above page in a small section - "The Kate Middleton Effect" - that still has it's own page - which should now be removed. I hope I have done the correct editing here - over a month has passed since the "warning" was placed on the top of the page of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge. Please see Kate Middleton effect and please remove page as discussed. Thanks (talk) 04:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

It has already been merged and redirected to the main article. Keivan.fTalk 14:34, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Using some old photos taken in Japan via 1979[edit]

I found some photos that were taken in 1979. These involve a bank robbery incident and I'm aware that Wikipedia's public domain law is suppose to be for photos in 1970. I'm trying to see if it's fine to use them in portraying a historical event. Ominae (talk) 05:37, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

I assume by your statement that the photos are still not in public domain. So the short answer here is, no. Lourdes 16:17, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Are you in possession of the physical photos? If yes, are you the original photographer or the legal heir of the photographer? If so, you are the presumptive owner of the copyright, and you can upload it and grant a CC-BY-SA license. If you are not the owner of the copyright, then you cannot upload the photographs. -Arch dude (talk) 16:27, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
Got it. The photos are in the Mainichi in the late 70s. Ominae (talk) 01:25, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

2018-19 United states tv Schedule[edit]

Can you fix the NBA Saturday Primetime Reference I Made can you fix it please. (talk) 19:18, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Why Didn't you answer me five minutes ago. (talk) 19:26, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Can someone ban this editor from Help Desk, seriously. They seem to think it's their own personal help desk and have a number of times now asked for stuff that is WP:TOOSOON as well as comments like the second edit where they don't remain WP:CIVIL even after being told before that this is a page of volunteers and there is no rush to publish stuff in articles. They also have been told previously to link to articles they are requesting help on but continue to not provide the link, they are experienced enough to know better. NZFC(talk)
Would love to, but the user has a frequently changing IP address. So the ban would be impossible to enforce properly. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:50, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

What's the deal with the user right headers?[edit]

E.g., the ones for crats, NPRs, and pagemovers. How should I treat these — as policies, guidelines, essays, or infopages? — pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 20:28, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

pythoncoder, I have read through you question multiple times and am no closer to understanding what you are asking. Can you link to what you are talking about? ~ GB fan 21:44, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
GB fan — Sorry for the confusion. I meant, are they policies, guidelines, or something else? — pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 21:57, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
pythoncoder I'm also still not clear on what you're talking about. Do you mean topicons or userboxes, like {{new page reviewer topicon}} and {{user wikipedia/New page reviewer}} like the ones you have one your userpage? User-rights are neither policies nor guidelines. Vexations (talk) 22:07, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
The thing at the top of e.g. WP:CRAT that takes the place of a "this page is policy" message. — pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 22:16, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
pythoncoder, are you talking about the box that says; This page contains information about bureaucrats, relevant policy and guideline considerations concerning the use of the bureaucrat privilege, and details concerning the use of the bureaucrat tools on the English Wikipedia.? If you are, you should treat it as exactly what it says in that box. ~ GB fan 01:18, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
One can see how it is confusing that Wikipedia:Administrators use {{Policy}} and hence is clearly labelled as policy, but other information pages related to user rights, such as Wikipedia:CheckUser {{procedural policy}} or pages such as Wikipedia:Bureaucrats use their own header. --Vexations (talk) 01:32, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. — pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 01:41, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

How to edit references?[edit]

Sorry if this has been answered before, but I could not find it in the archives.

I found an entry listing several references that meet the Wikipedia "External link spamming" guidelines. Clicking the "Edit" link, either at the top of the page, or next to the References section, gives me the source editor but does not show any of the links on the page, only a list of categories. I tried this with another entry, just to see if this was a peculiarity of this one page, and had the same experience.

How do I edit/delete these references?

The entry is this:

You should be able to see the coding for the references if you click the "Edit" at the top of the article, or any of the article sections. You are correct, if you click "edit" at the "References" section, all you'll see is code. This article uses inline citations, as is proper. The first reference is encoded this way: "<ref>{{cite web |url= |title=False Kiva | Andre Gunther Photography | |date= |accessdate=2010-03-16 |deadurl=yes |archiveurl= |archivedate=2010-04-04 |df= }}</ref>", and appears as the first reference within the "References" section. I hope that helps. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

August 14[edit]

notwithstanding ( not comparable)[edit]

In the above subject line I show how notwithstanding is presented. I do not understand the word not, not comparable to what? What is notwithstanding not comparable to or with? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

This is Wikipedia. After some searching I guess you refer to wiktionary:notwithstanding#Adverb at our sister site Wiktionary. "comparable" is a link to wiktionary:Appendix:Glossary#comparable. "notwithstanding (not comparable)" means that the adverb "notwithstanding" is not comparable. The meaning of this is described at the link. You cannot say "more notwithstanding" or "most notwithstanding". See also Adverb#Formation and comparison. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:29, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Thomas Davis (priest)[edit]

Please help - I have added a file (photo) which SHOULD go at the top of the page. Please re-place it if you are able. Thankyou (talk) 01:29, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

I think it's better where it is. If it were moved into the Lede section, it would create too much white space. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 03:38, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
HELP PLEASE - I have accidently removed the Lede. Plesae replace if able. Thanks (talk) 03:42, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Please return the Lede sentence. I removed it accidently whilst attempting to "improve" file. thanks (talk) 04:00, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done Eagleash (talk) 04:09, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Once again, please do not create additional threads with the same heading. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 09:56, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Categorisation for people trying multiple times[edit]

Annie Aves is primarily known for having been tried multiple times for the same crime(s). Is there a categorisation for that? I'm sure there must be, but I can't find it. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:42, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Stuartyeates I didn't find a category for that but you can search yourself in SPECIAL:CATEGORIES. You can add a category also, read WP:CATEGORIZATION. Thinker78 (talk) 18:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


Question for administrator

<Wondering what else do i update to have this document accepted on Wiki> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parvez.Shine (talkcontribs) 04:59, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

As the reviewers have suggested, better sourcing to establish notability. Please read the advice given in the pink and grey box on the draft: follow the links, read the instructions, then ameliorate the draft accordingly. Sam Sailor 05:37, 14 August 2018 (UTC) (Closing {{Admin help}}, not a question that needs admin intervention.)
  • At Wikipedia, the term administrator means a very specific set of additional chores and the permissions that go with them. Almost all editorial decisions and tasks are done by editors, not administrators. Just like you and the rest of us, the reviewers are editors and can handle the acceptance or rejection of this draft without administrative action. Such decisions are made by consensus. -Arch dude (talk) 14:23, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Help ![edit]

Help ! I Forgot My Password my User Name is User:TheBigBoss3900 is there any way to change my password to a easier one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:49, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

No you can't change your password without logging in. You may register another account if you want. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 05:51, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, you can. If you entered your e-mail address when you signed up, you can have a new password generated. Click on the "Log in" link in the upper-right corner. Enter your user name, and click the button near the bottom of the page called "Mail me a new password". You should receive an e-mail message with a new random password; you can use it to log in, go to your preferences, and change your password to something you'll remember. Sam Sailor 06:14, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
But your account hasn't stored an email address. If you don't remember the password then you have to create a new account. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:26, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes that's why I said can't change the password. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 09:36, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
PrimeHunter, where do you lookup if an account has an email address stored? It is, as far as I know, perfectly possible to register with and confirm an email address and then disable WP:EMAIL. Sam Sailor 09:57, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
@Sam Sailor: "This user has not specified a valid email address." If the user blocks others from sending email, I think the message will be different. ~ Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk to me) 10:01, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Right. The quote is from Special:EmailUser/TheBigBoss3900. It can also say "This user has chosen not to receive email from other users." My user page has given my name for 12 years but I recommend only referring to users by their username, signature name or variations of them. Otherwise it can be confusing to others, and some users later remove their name for privacy reasons. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:14, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
There is a special case. If a user has set an address but not confirmed it then Special:EmailUser says the same as when no address is set but the user can still use Special:PasswordReset. At least a mail is sent. If the address isn't confirmed then it may be because they cannot receive mails. I don't know whether others can distinguish between no address and an unconfirmed address. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:21, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank yoy, PrimeHunter and Abelmoschus Esculentus, you are both right. I disabled WP:EMAIL on this account, and logged in from my alt account and went to Special:EmailUser/Sam Sailor, and it then returns "This user has chosen not to receive email from other users." @PrimeHunter: Note taken in re username. Sam Sailor 10:26, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Abelmoschus Esculentus But given that answers can be looked as reference for similar questions, I think it would have helped if you added "If you didn't provide an email" to your answer, otherwise people reading this answer might conclude that they can't get another password even if they associated an email, as Sam Sailor assumed.Cheers! Thinker78 (talk) 18:19, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Column formatting[edit]

If my browser window isn't pretty wide, I end up with just one column of films in Warren Hymer. Is there a remedy? Clarityfiend (talk) 06:29, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

{{clear}} before the filmography section will allow the columns to use space below the infobox but will create whitespace to the left of the infobox. I would prefer this option but it would look better with a longer lead or a new short section before the filmography. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:21, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I've expanded the text a bit. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:31, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

How long does it usually take to process a copyright violation on English Wikipedia?[edit]

The article Xinjiang reeducation camps was found to include copyright violation content. According to detectors, there are about 60% content from the original article being copied from other sources. SInce then, the article have been rewritten to exclude copyright-violation content at Talk:Xinjiang reeducation camps/Temp. How long would one need to wait before the content in the temp page can be copied over to replace the original copyright violation page?C933103 (talk) 09:40, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

  • @C933103: the instructions in the big copyvio notice are not completely clear. It appears to me that you are free to replace the article with a rewrite at any time. You are then supposed to add a note to the article's talk page to indicate that you have done so. If an editor who is more experienced at handling copyvio does not agree, then I hope that editor will update the instructions. I think you should just replace the article now, but if you prefer to get a better opinion, feel free to contact any of the regulars editors of Wikipedia:Copyright problems to ask for guidance. those are the guys who will deal with the problem if I'm wrong. -Arch dude (talk) 18:00, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
  • It is not clear that the temp version is copyright violation-free. I ran the Copyvio Detector: [1] and it still found problematic material. Rmhermen (talk) 22:14, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
  • You ran the Copyvio Detector based on the revision id 852694050 which is one of the version being flagged with copyright violation, instead of the temp version. I'm now moving the temp version to the main article. C933103 (talk) 04:59, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Gray box at top of history at International Congress of Mathematicians[edit]

International Congress of Mathematicians#History seems to start with a gray box that I can't figure out where it is coming from. Ideas?Naraht (talk) 13:00, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Fixed. The {{multiple image ... }} was indented by one space, causing something weird and unintended. Maproom (talk) 13:39, 14 August 2018 (UTC)


Hi guys,

In the section "Launch history" of this article, there is a graph about the launches. The figures on the left are the number of launches. It looks very strange that the numbers used are 2.5 then 5 then 7.5 and so on. There will never be 2 launches and a half so I guess it would make sense to use 2, 4, 6 and so on. I don't want to mess up the graph so if anyone is good at it, thanks for doing it! Ericdec85 (talk) 13:04, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Responding to comments[edit]

How do I respond to a comment on on a talk contribution of mine about the article PhoeniciaBeebledum (talk) 14:40, 14 August 2018 (UTC)Beebledum?

There is an "edit" link alongside the header of the section at Talk:Phoenicia#Appropriateness of predominance of names Phoenicia, Phoenician, Punic, etc. Add your comment after the one to which you wish to reply, and indent your reply by preceding it with one more colon than the message to which you are replying. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:49, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Beebledum You can also read the full instructions in Help:Talk pages. Thinker78 (talk) 19:21, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Ref date consistency in talk page[edit]

Hello, I was visiting the WP:REFBPLAIN page earlier when I saw that the publication and access dates are of different styles (the former being MMDDYY, and the latter a numerical date). It's a small detail, but it may confuse newcomers and make them ignore page date consistencies in the future (whole page using only MMDDYY, DDMMYY, or digits) when they edit. Can we change the access date to MMDDYY instead? aNode (discuss) 14:58, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

There is no requirement that access and archive dates have the same format as publication dates (which should be the same format as other dates in the article). See MOS:DATEUNIFY.
Trappist the monk (talk) 15:08, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Module mistake[edit]

I am a wikipedia user who edits in English and Malayalam wikipedia. My doubt is: Why does a module page appear like a normal page?Please check [[2]] page. Adithyak1997 03:21, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

@Adithyak1997: Page information says "Page content model wikitext". A local administrator will have a "change" link on the page I linked. The English Wikipedia version [3] says "Page content model Scribunto". I'm not sure why the Malayalam version says wikitext. The page was imported from the English Wikipedia. Your signature must link to your user page, talk page or contributions per WP:SIGLINK. The easiest way to get a valid signature is to leave the signature field blank at Special:Preferences and have no check mark at "Treat the above as wiki markup". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:16, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: Thank you for your reply. I have changed my signature as mentioned by you. Regarding the module, is there any method can I change the wikitext into a Scribunto module?Adithyak1997 (talk) 05:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
@Adithyak1997: Thanks for fixing the signature. The page content model can only be changed by a Malayalam administrator so you have to ask for it. I don't know the procedures of the Malayalam Wikipedia but here is a list of their administrators. They may not know the feature but as mentioned, they will have a "change" link on the page I linked. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Adithyak1997 (talk) 09:58, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Some articles with page images do not show with page images icons in Special:Nearby lists[edit]

The University of Colorado Boulder page has a page image listed on it's page information and there it seems to be correctly selected based on the logic documented on mediawiki's image choice algorithm. But if I'm looking at the list that appears in Special:Nearby for coordinates that would include it (e.g. 40.0140226,-105.2505826) the image icon isn't displayed next to its list entry. Is there additional criteria for page images for them to be displayed in Special:Nearby? This is the most recent example, but I see this issue often. Thanks. - Scarpy (talk) 20:04, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

@Scarpy: The page image File:University of Colorado seal.svg is non-free. Some features will only display a free page image for copyright reasons. Special:Nearby appears to be one of them. The API can show whether a page image is registered as free. Compare pilicense=any and pilicense=free when requesting a page image for University of Colorado Boulder. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:51, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: thanks! On the topic, do you know is there more documentation on Special:Nearby? I use it pretty often would be interested to see if there's a way to expand the reach beyond 10km or 50 articles (which seems to be the default). Also curious where it gets this "short description" from (e.g "public university in Boulder, Colorado, USA and flagship of the University of Colorado system" in this case). - Scarpy (talk) 02:02, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
@Scarpy: [partial answer] The "short description" comes from Wikidata. On the University of Colorado Boulder page, click "Wikidata item" in the left sidebar, and you'll end up here where the short description can be seen and edited. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:13, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
I don't know user documentation for Special:Nearby. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:54, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
@John of Reading: Thanks John! No worries, @PrimeHunter:, thanks again for all of your help! - Scarpy (talk) 13:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Changing photograph[edit]


I represent my grandmother, Lucienne Bloch, and on her Wikipedia page there is a photograph of her with a fellow she met once.

I'm hoping to switch this photograph out with one of her by herself.

Tried to see if there was any info in FAQ but couldn't find anything.

Not sure if this is a general knowledge question or not. Sorry.

Not sure how I find out if you respond to this or not. It's a little confusing.


~ Lucienne Allen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucienne1 (talkcontribs) 21:21, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

  • The person who owns the copyright to a picture can upload the picture. In general the photographer (or the photographer's heir) owns the copyright. Go to c:main page, click on the "upload" button near the top right, and follow the instructions. This uploads the picture to Wikimedia Commons, and from there your article can accesss this new picture by using the filename you gave it. If you have problems, please come back here again and we'll try to help. -Arch dude (talk) 21:32, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
  • Lucienne1 The full instructions are in Help:Pictures but you should read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest as well. Thinker78 (talk) 19:35, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

FA suggestions??[edit]

So i want to nominate a FA candidate, went here, however, I just realized the page hasn't been updated in seven years o.O? Where is the right place to make such a suggestion? Thanks. prokaryotes (talk) 23:49, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Found it here, but above page should possibly be locked. prokaryotes (talk) 00:47, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge[edit]

Sorry - I have accidently removed bits of the info box. Sorry - please fix Srbernadette (talk) 23:51, 14 August 2018 (UTC) Edited 23:57, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Fixed HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 00:21, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

August 15[edit]

Margery Wentworth[edit]

Please help - ref number 2 is in red. Help please (talk) 05:12, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Maproom (talk) 06:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Most livable cities in the world 2018[edit]

Three cities in Canada are listed in the top ten: " Canada had Calgary (fourth), Vancouver (sixth) and Toronto (joint seventh)". 


Calgary is in the province of Alberta, Vancouver is in British Columbia (BC), and Toronto is in Ontario. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, they are, and these provinces are in Canada. So? Clarityfiend (talk) 07:32, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
The list is at Global Liveability Ranking#2018 results. We don't give the province in international lists but readers can click the city name if they want to know more. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:14, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Using sfn to distinguish between books by the same authors published in the same year[edit]

reference info for Winston Churchill
unnamed refs 255
named refs 70
self closed 42
R templates 10
cs1 refs 137
cs1 templates 155
cs1-like refs 1
cs1-like templates 1
sfn templates 362
rp templates 1
refbegin templates 2
webarchive templates 5
cs1|2 dmy dates 46
cs1|2 ymd dates 4
cs1|2 last/first 98
cs1|2 author 11

In Monmouthshire Houses I'm trying to use sfn to distinguish between three books by the same authors, Fox and Raglan, which were all republished in the same year, 1994. I'd be very grateful if someone could have a look and tell me if I'm dong it correctly. Many thanks. KJP1 (talk) 11:24, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

No guarantees at all that this is the best practice, but personally I put (1994a) etc in the Sources eg "Fox, Cyril; Raglan, Lord (1994a). Medieval Houses..." That's normal practice in other publications where the listings start with the date Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Don't use "sfn", it always ends up going wrong, and even when it works it's hard on the reader. DuncanHill (talk) 12:12, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
it always ends up going wrong... Evidence to support that assertion? Always? Really?
Trappist the monk (talk) 12:40, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
OK then "far too often, going unnoticed for months, leaving other poor sods to sort out the mess". I am sick and tired of trying to fix poorly defined sfn refs on obscure articles like Winston Churchill or David Lloyd George, where someone's forgotten a year, or a page number, or someone else has trimmed the further reading section that the ref was defined in, or it was never defined in the first place. And I see you don't dispute it being hard on the reader even when it works, which it is. Too many clicks to actually get to the ref. DuncanHill (talk) 12:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
It appears that your real complaint is against short-form referencing, not necessarily about {{sfn}}. At least with {{sfn}} there are tools that can help editors discover and fix flawed {{sfn}} and {{harv}} templates, something that is not possible with plain-text short-form references like Picknett, et al. at Churchill which doesn't have a matching long-form reference. Yeah, referencing at Winston Churchill is a mess.
Your [too] many clicks argument doesn't hold much water for me because the number is typically one from the superscript in the article text plus one from the short-form to the long-form equals two clicks (only one click if mw:Reference_Tooltips is enabled). I don't know, but I'd rather click twice than have to search a bibliography by eye or by CTRL+F search.
Trappist the monk (talk) 13:33, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
I'd rather click once, or even better not at all - being able to hover over the ref number and read the ref in a pop up. My beef is with ref formats that make the reader work harder than they need to. They discourage the checking of refs, and they discourage people reading further. DuncanHill (talk) 13:54, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Really? Short-form refs discourage people reading further? You have evidence to support that? I guess I'm skeptical because here and now in the 21st century, clicking links is what we do, we are well trained and accustomed to it; it isn't some sort of onerous taxing endeavor that will leave us lying gasping on the floor.
With regard to Winston Churchill, I suspect that the James 1970 {{sfn}} references should really be Rhodes James 1970 which perhaps Editor Midnightblueowl can confirm (and repair since that editor placed most if not all of the {{sfn|James|...}} templates with this series of edits).
Trappist the monk (talk) 14:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
I've been trying to get the Churchill refs fixed since October last year. I admire your optimism. If it was an article about a famous person I expect most of them would be fixed by now because people would be reading the refs, but as he's such an obscure figure nobody reads the article to see the tags placed on so many of the refs. If people read the refs, or the talk page, they might do something to fix them. People don't read the refs - or they don't give a damn that the refs are duff. DuncanHill (talk) 14:47, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
And as for "I suspect that the James 1970 ref is..." - not only should we not have to "suspect" what a ref is, we should never try to guess, that way leads to outright false refs. DuncanHill (talk) 14:49, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
I could have probably chosen better words because at the bottom of the diff that I linked you will find this:
{{cite book |last=James |first=Robert Rhodes |year=1970 |title=Churchill: A Study in Failure 1900–1939 |location=London |publisher=Weidenfeld and Nicolson |ref=harv}}
which was later modified with this edit made by ... you.
Trappist the monk (talk) 15:00, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Which was well after I was tagging all the duff refs - it was the James with no dates that were really worrying. Thanks for pointing that out - it's a good example of exactly the sort of problem caused by this reference style - someone corrects an author's surname, and it breaks something that is not clearly associated with it. As you are such a fan of that style of refs perhaps you'd like to fix it? DuncanHill (talk) 15:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
You should also use |loc=preface not |p=preface, since preface is not a page number. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 12:34, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Many thanks indeed for the advice. I'm afraid "don't use sfn" isn't something I could follow, as I've forgotten any other and I actually rather like it. But I shall try the rest. KJP1 (talk) 12:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, that seems to work. I don't think it's too cumbersome for the reader, one click from the cite to the Notes and then one more to the Sources. And "loc" does indeed work for the preface. Thanks again, all. KJP1 (talk) 13:52, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

What happened to Wikipedia's partnership with HighBeam?[edit]

I had a HighBeam account through the website's partnership with Wikipedia and was hoping to renew it, but all of the information on how to renew your account was blanked from WP:HighBeam late last year, without explanation. I asked about this on that article's talk page a couple days ago, but haven't received any response. Does anyone know if HighBeam still has a partnership with Wikipedia and why I can't find any information on this? --Jpcase (talk) 14:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Jpcase, I just checked The Wikipedia Library Card Platform page (which has replaced the old system of separate pages for signing up for partnerships). Highbeam is not included among the partners listed on that page, which makes me think that perhaps the partnership has ended. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:45, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Subj's; Nicholas II, and U.S.S.R.[edit]

It has long been thought that the Soviet Union had the Romanov Family assassinated. It can't be. The USSR, as we knew it, did not come into existence until 1921, and 3 years after the mass murders. Either the information on Nicholas II's Wikipedia page is wrong, or the Wikipedia page on the Soviet Union is wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:44, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Thanks. When you see problem with the contents of an article, please either fix it yourself or put a comment on the article's talk page. In this case, maybe put comments on both talk pages. If you fix it yourself, please cite reliable sources (WP:RS). If you are not comfortabl fixing it yourself, please put those citations on the talk page. When reliable sources conflict, the article(s) should mention the conflict. -Arch dude (talk) 15:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Removing templates message on the top of the Winnipeg Table Hockey League (WTHL) page[edit]

After reading the Wikipedia:Verifiability page, It states "In Wikipedia, verifiability means that other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source." Between the several different reputable Mainstream newspapers and TV News organizations cited in the References section alone this page clearly validates their Verification more so than other pages that exist on Wikipedia. I believe the "This article needs additional citations for verification.' issue has been adequately addressed and should be removed leaving just the one existing issue and with time it can be removed as the contributors to this page increase and with the one left it would take away the large template that states "This article has multiple issues" as there would only be one issue. Can someone please assist? Thanks in advance. Scapizzi (talk) 16:00, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Addis Ababa Zoo Park Center[edit]

[Copyright violation removed. See talk page]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:05, 15 August 2018 (UTC) 
If you think that this information should be added, I suggest you discuss it on Talk:Addis Ababa Zoo (without including copyright material). --ColinFine (talk) 17:38, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


InfoWars (stylized as INFOWARS) is a far-right American conspiracy theorist and fake news website and media platform owned by Alex Jones's Free Speech Systems LLC.[15] It was founded in 1999.

It should read This, but it is locked.

InfoWars (stylized as INFOWARS) is a Classical Libertarian and News website and media platform owned by Alex Jones's Free Speech Systems LLC.[15] It was founded in 1999. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TruthSeeker369666 (talkcontribs) 17:51, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

It lists a dozen reliable sources that call InfoWars "far-right", not "classical libertarian". Can you find sources that are more reliable or numerous and say the latter? – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 17:56, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
This isn't the place to ask for an update to a page protected article, you need to do so on InfoWars Talk page. Also it isn't slander as it's backed up by reliable sources what is said on the page and I'd be careful of making any legal threats. NZFC(talk) 18:02, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
There is a request for comment about this very issue on the article talk page. Your comments belong there.~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:59, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Is it NPOV to use the word "fake news" to describe any sites (other than those self-proclaimed ones) in definitive tone on the first paragraph when there are apparently some opinion disagree with such assignment?C933103 (talk) 01:11, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Trying to add an image to a Wiki page after uploading it through Commons[edit]

Hi there. I've successfully uploaded a company's logo through Commons, and indicated it as fair use. I was brought to a page that provided all of the information about the image, but now I'm unsure how to actually add the image to the page? When I search for it under the "upload new image" function, I can't find it. Any ideas? Thanks so much!Droshis (talk) 18:13, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Commons does not accept "fair use" images. If you have uploaded one there as "fair use", you should expect it to be removed when someone there notices. Maproom (talk) 18:22, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
I see you haven't uploaded anything to Commons (or if you have, it's gone again). However you have uploaded "File:Canadian Club Toronto, updated logo as of August 15 2018.jpg" here to English Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 18:28, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Right, my mistake. Am I able to now add this photo to the wiki page now that it's been uploaded to English Wikipedia?Droshis (talk) 19:43, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

  • Yes, though I'd be more concerned about the article. Every source is primary and if it was nominated for deletion, it probably wouldn't survive in its present form. It needs third-party reliable sources to show the notability of the Club. Black Kite (talk) 19:49, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

That's good feedback, thank you! I am in the process of updating it. Droshis (talk) 20:06, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

What exactly does it mean if a template is "deprecated"?[edit]

What exactly does it mean if a template is "deprecated"? For example, see this page: Template:Sortname. (I read this page: Deprecation.) Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

It means that it probably still works, but you are strongly recommended not to use it because there's a better way to do it and it may one day stop working. Maproom (talk) 21:32, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
OK. Thanks. That is what I had assumed, more or less. But, this is the part that I don't understand. When a template (eventually) becomes "deprecated", there are probably many, many uses of that template all over Wikipedia. In other words, people made use of that template before it became deprecated. So, what happens to all of those "prior" instances of the template being used? At some point, all of those articles will be negatively affected and will not "work"? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:52, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
That is exactly why such a template is first deprecated for a time before it gets deleted, to give editors enough time to replace it on such pages before it dissapears. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
I've just checked, there doesn't seem to be a tag or category to mark/list pages that use deprecated templates, thus no way for editors to know that such articles need remedial attention. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:02, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
That would seem to be a problem. I am sure that some templates are utilized literally thousands upon thousands of times, throughout Wikipedia. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 00:19, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:20, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Linking to an article based on its Wikidata id[edit]

For example, wikidata:Q503129 is the entry for the "Chocolate brownie" article. How can I make a link to that Wikipedia article by using that id only, but not the actual article title? If the article should ever be retitled, the link should still point directly to it (not via a redirection). --Theurgist (talk) 22:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

You can use a pipe, like this: chocolate brownie. The code is [[:wikidata:Q503129|chocolate brownie]] TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:02, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
No no. I need a link to the article in the English Wikipedia, a link to (or whatever other title it may have one day). --Theurgist (talk) 23:40, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Add the chocolate brownie article to your watch list (click the star on the article's tab), and if its name ever changes, which is highly unlikely, you'll get an alert and can make the change then. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:48, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
I actually don't know if what you're requesting is possible, Theurgist, at least not without a sophisticated template, none of which I am aware exists for this purpose. The closest I can think of accomplishing that would be something like [[{{PAGENAME}}|chocolate brownie]], but that would only work on the Chocolate brownie and Talk:Chocolate brownie pages because {{PAGENAME}} is a magic word that replaces itself with the current name of the page on which it is placed in the rendered output. The result of using it on this page is the following: chocolate brownie (notice the wikilink target).
I seriously doubt that will help you here, but am I at least understanding the sort of behavior you are describing? A wikilink piping (or template equivalent) that never redirects because it always uses the most recent live page name? I know you mentioned Wikidata, as well, which just adds more complexity to this very specific request. Given that what I just described does not appear to exist at this time, a more specific iteration involving the Wikidata item as the anchor inherits that. If I'm mistaken and something like this does exist, I would love to be proven wrong.
With that said, if what matters to you is simply monitoring the article for page name changes, then TimTempleton's suggestion above is the solution. You can do the same for the Wikidata item. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 00:06, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Oh wow, after thinking about it for a while, I recall that every page has an ID in its page information page, so I searched for templates using that. In fact, there is a template for this very purpose, called {{Pageid to title}}! For example, the page ID for Chocolate brownie, according to its information page, is 497794. Therefore, [[{{Pageid to title|497794}}]] (notice the wikilink brackets around the outside of the template, per its documentation) should provide a permanent live link to the article that never redirects and that always displays the current page title: Chocolate brownie. There you go!
Now, I have no clue about the Wikidata part of it all, which seems to involve some sort of piping that is not possible or otherwise a nonexistent template that can perform it, but maybe this is what you're looking for. If not, then explaining why you need such functionality may help. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 00:30, 16 August 2018 (UTC); last edited 00:38, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Yes, you're understanding what behavior I'm describing. I want a link that points to an entry in the English Wikipedia that does not depend on its current title, but on some other, permanent and unchangeable identifier. Note that some articles are more likely to ever get renamed than others; I'm using the chocolate brownie just as an example.
Thanks for that {{pageid to title}} template, it seems to work.
By the way, take a look at the tables at meta:Wikimedia CEE Spring 2018/Structure/Kazakhstan. If you view the code of any table, you'll see that its entirety consists of wikitext such as:
It only contains Wikidata ids, and yet the live version displays and links to the actual article titles. How does it manage to do this? --Theurgist (talk) 01:06, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
My guess is that it has something to do with the code at Module:WikimediaCEETable, Theurgist. In order for something like that to work here on the English Wikipedia, I suspect a similar Lua module would need to be created along with a template using that module (which does not seem to exist at the Meta-Wiki) in order for a user such as yourself to use it in talk pages. Regardless, it would be a rather sophisticated coding project. Especially when considering the page history and WhatLinksHere for {{Pageid to title}}, I suspect that any such template or module would have very low utility here. Even so, if you want to be the one to try making that a reality here, you are free to suggest it at the Village pump. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 01:36, 16 August 2018 (UTC); last edited 01:43, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
And {{pageid to title}} can make only internal links, but not URLs so as to link to an article from outside, right? --Theurgist (talk) 01:51, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
In principle, I suppose it can link anywhere, including external links, so long as the markup outside the template is correct. For example, [[d:Q503129|{{pageid to title|497794}}]] renders as Chocolate brownie. For an external link: [ {{pageid to title|497794}}] renders as Chocolate brownie. In both examples, the links do not change, but the page title will always remain current. However, as far as I can tell, there is no way to do something like [[{{pageid to title|Q503129}}]], which just renders as Q503129. At that point, something like {{Wikidata entity link}} is probably the closest equivalent.
For {{pageid to title}}, the options appear to be limited to piping and other link formatting, but not interwiki IDs within the template. That would require changing the template or creating a new one. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 02:06, 16 August 2018 (UTC); last edited 02:12, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
I mean linking from outside Wikipedia: storing a URL elsewhere. --Theurgist (talk) 02:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
If you mean using this template in another part of the Wikimedia project, then no unless the template also exists on that project (which it probably doesn't). A similar template might exist there, but I doubt it. If that is not what you mean, then I do not understand. The template was created on the English Wikipedia to only work on the English Wikipedia by only using internal page IDs on internal page information pages. Any use outside of that is beyond the scope of the template. —Nøkkenbuer (talkcontribs) 03:24, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

August 16[edit]

procedure to improve an already-deleted page[edit]

Hello. This page about an aspect of Williams College history was deleted. There is now a book on this topic. With this book, it would be easy for me to answer the (reasonable!) complaints about sourcing raised in the deletion discussion. So, could an admin re-instate the page so that I could improve it? Or, better, how do I ask someone to do this? Yfever (talk) 00:58, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge[edit]

Sorry - I cannot put back the "redirect to other pages" lines at the top of this page. Please fix up if able (talk) 02:09, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

A copy of Salvation Testment[edit]

with the Bible there is a portion by name: new Testment. But, with me there is a copy of Salvation Testment, and not new Testment which is a rarity. I need to sell it through auction. please, help me with the work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:53, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

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