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December 2[edit]

Speedy Deletion[edit]

By mistake I wrote an article on my own user page. I deleted that article as soon as I figured out that it was actually on my profile page rather than on a separate page corresponding to its topic. I got confused as I was working on sandbox. Secondly, I finally created an article page correctly and sent it to get reviewed (max 3 months to get reviewed). I noticed a few sentences that I could display better so I changed 2 words from: BUT to but . I published the changes. Next thing that happened, I got the following notice: "This draft may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion because in its current form it serves only to promote or publicise an entity, person, product, or idea, and would require a fundamental rewrite in order to become encyclopedic." I am not why this happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weditor42490 (talkcontribs) 00:37, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Weditor42490, You were writing blatant spam, complete with links to some fashion site hosted on appspot for references. Please respond to the notice on your talk page, I have given you another one. —moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 00:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


The Fuzzbot denied information about ¨Sexy Sadie¨ by The Beatles they said that the changes I made were wrong we indeed they were not — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:17, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Calling User:Fuzheado a bot is kinda insulting. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 02:33, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
You made changes to Sexy Sadie without a reference, so another editor reverted them. Your next move should be to discuss your changes with that editor on the article's talk page at Talk:Sexy Sadie to reach a consensus (see WP:BRD). It is certainly the case that one of the changes (i.e., type = Sexy) is incorrect. -Arch dude (talk) 05:05, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Who is Nathalie Emmanuel's father?[edit]

Please be advised of a factual error in your early life section of Nathalie Emmanuel. Her father was never (Joseph James) as it reads, Joseph James is in fact her Step Grandfather. I, JOHN MATTHEW EMMANUEL is her blood father estranged for no reasons by ex wife and 2 daughters. If this was not offensive enough to have been replaced in the media by a step Grandfather makes me so very angry! Get the facts right, do your checks and ammend before I really do go public and upsetting those on the inside that know the truth! Thanks! John Matthew Emmanuel [details removed] — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:25, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Information in our Nathalie Emmanuel article comes from published sources. We have no mechanism to "get the facts". We just report on what has been published. Feel free to "go public. If reliable source writes a story about it, we can reference that source in the article. If you can point to an existing published source, then please do that on the article's talk page at Talk:Nathalie Emmanuel and we can change the article. -Arch dude (talk) 04:57, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
I have removed your phone number to protect your privacy. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:04, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Tag filter search in user contributions not working[edit]

Every time I try to search for contributions on my page or another user's page, I try to use the "Tag filter" feature to narrow down my search within the amount of contributions that I/another user did over time. Every time I try to use this feature, it does not work and always displays the message "No changes were found matching these criteria" regardless of what I put in the Tag filter search bar. If any of you can provide me any help for this matter, please let me know. Thanks. Fdom5997 (talk) 05:26, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Fdom5997, just making sure, are you using the strings listed in the "Tag name" column of Special:Tags (e.g., mobile web edit, mw-undo)? Using the terms that appear in a page's history won't display what you want. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:12, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Why does the "Did you know section?" on the front page have so many bulletpoints about Serious Sam?[edit]

It's had at least three points related to this fairly obscure video game franchise in the last month. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:39, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

It would seem that an editor or editors spent time and effort improving that article and worked to get those points on DYK. It is not uncommon for a spat of DYK entries to be related to the same or a similar subject, as people work in particular topic areas. It's the nature of a volunteer project. If you want to see greater variety, you are free to work in DYK to do so. 331dot (talk) 12:52, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

video contradicts official source[edit]

Hello, do we at WP follow official sources even when there's video evidence showing those official sources are wrong? --Dutchy45 (talk) 12:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Dutchy45 It would help to know if you are referencing a specific situation, but in general, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, not necessarily what primary sources state(which is what I assume you mean by "official"). If different sources have different interpretations of the same event or person, those differing sources are given appropriate weight in the article, as determined by the community. 331dot (talk) 12:50, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
In this case it is a specific situation 331dot, but I can easily foresee this happening again. Hopefully you don't mind a link to a short convo I had with a more experienced editor on his talk page where everything is laid out: Item nr. 39 on User talk:SuperJew. I should add that on-line newspapers here report both versions of the fact. In 1 case 2 different journalists from the same! paper wrote different things. I'm surprised you didn't even mention video in your reply. Is there not even a passing thought as to what everybody can see with their own eyes? Dutchy45 (talk) 13:16, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Dutchy45 Video of a match is just a primary source(the match itself). If the sources are incorrect with their statistics or reporting, you will need to speak to those sources to get them to issue a correction or retraction. If there are other reliable sources that discuss an error in a penalty call or in statistic keeping, those could be offered, but not video of the game itself. It is not uncommon in sports for referees to get a call wrong despite video of the game at odds with that call. The same thing is happening here. 331dot (talk) 13:20, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Placing a warning about unencyclopedic style[edit]

How does one place the notice at the top of a page that warns the reader the page is not written in an encyclopedic style? Kubrickrules (talk) 15:04, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@Kubrickrules: you can add {{Tone|December 2020}} to the top of it, as it appears when viewing this page. Note that if you enable Twinkle, tagging articles gets much easier. Do you have any particular article in mind? Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:56, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
@Victor Schmidt: Forgive me because I still don't know all the intricacies. I ran across this page for an English band ( ) It was clearly written by one of the band members as an opinion-based, personal account instead of as a neutral biography. In other instances like this, I have seen very large, bold warnings at the tops of the pages, and was thinking that this page is a candidate for one or more of those warnings. The page absolutely needs a heavy cleaning and re-write. I'm not sure I'm up for a re-write, but at bare minimum, I (or someone else) could at least place the bold warnings for now. Kubrickrules (talk) 17:59, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
@Kubrickrules: there are more of these warnings, fititng all different scenarios. Wikipedia:Template index/Cleanup (click the blue text) covers all of them at length. I am not familar with that article and don't currently have enough time to do an at-length examination there, but I do notice that the article already has a few tags (One at the very top and a few others at the start of some sections). Maybe a different responee here can assist you better. (Note: Please indent your posts with one more : than the person before you. See WP:INDENT) Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:46, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
@Victor Schmidt: On second glance, I do see a large citation warning already there, but I will look for the other one appropriate for the writing style at the link you provided. Thank you.


I am in my mid 70's. I am on limited social security. I have no money to contribute, I barely have money to eat. I appreciate your website very much and will miss being able to continue my knowledge search, but will no longer access your sight because I must contribute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:10, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, you do not have to contribute to use the site; donations are purely voluntary. Unfortunately, if you edit from an IP addrees (I.e. without creating an account) the software cannot tell whether you have donated or not (or even if you are the same person who last used that address) and any banners you see asking for financial help will continue to display. Please continue to use Wikipedia for your research and thank you for doing so – it's why we volunteer here. If you feel like editing at any time, please try the WP:TUTORIAL for help in getting started. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 16:28, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello! WP is funded by donations, so it never stops asking for money. However, you are very welcome to read or edit it without donating. And while it's prudent for an org like WP to worry about the future, currently it's doing ok. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:29, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
The message to take away here is if you do not want to see the banner asking to donate, please create an account. I haven't had to disable the banner in a very long time, but I think it can be done by going to your account's preferences, navigating to the "Gadgets" tab, and checking the "Suppress display of fundraiser banners" item. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:53, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Dialogue with the editor on requesting an insertion into a semi-protected page[edit]

At 06:51, 27 November 2020 (UTC), I posted a requested insertion for the semi-protected article . My request is #30 on the Talk page for the article. Thus, it is at's_misleading_filing_of_McCabe_evidence . I believe that I used the appropriate template for such a request.

At 19:16, 28 November 2020 (UTC), my request was rejected by @Seagull123.

At 23:09, 28 November 2020 (UTC), I addressed Seagull123's objections in a response on the Talk page.

It is now December 2, 2020 at 6:02:24 pm (UTC), so (if I do the arithmetic right) it has been about 3.5 days. Perhaps I am just being impatient, but I also fear that I may have done something wrong such that I will not get Seagull123's attention unless I correct what I did.

I did two things:

(1) I changed the field in the template in a fashion that I thought would bring renewed attention.

(2) I attempted to direct Seagull123's attention to my update by writing @Seagull123 in what I thought was an appropriate manner.

Because I am a novice at both of these techniques, what I am now asking is for you to take a look, and see if you can spot whether I did something wrong, and if so what it was. I am deliberately choosing to not describe exactly what did, thinking it will be best if you were to infer it from the edit history.

(3) I also tried to understand how I might directly message Seagull123 (apart from what I did in (2) above), but was not able to figure out how to do this from the documentation.

Thank you for your help.

GreenEyewash (talk) 18:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@GreenEyewash: You can use {{re|Seagull123}} to let that user know you replied to their comments. If they do not respond, they are probably busy working on other things, or perhaps not interested in pursuing this edit request currently. Note that there is a huge backlog at CAT:ESP. If the editor that originally questioned your request doesn't handle it, just be patient and another volunteer will eventually get to it. RudolfRed (talk) 18:50, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi @GreenEyewash: I've replied to you there now. You may want to read Help:Notifications for more on how to notify other editors. Seagull123 Φ 18:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Contested 2020 Elections[edit]

Given that massive Election Fraud is being discovered and investigations beginning in many of the 2020 Elections, can you please remove any and all references to Joe Biden as "President-elect"? Under the circumstances that reference is grossly inflammatory, and practically hate speech. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walter.e.steele (talkcontribs) 18:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP editorWalter.e.steele. Please read WP:VNT, which explains that Wikipedia is based on what reliable, published, independent sources say about a topic, not "The Truth". Your sources may not qualify as reliable sources.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
Not to mention there have been 0 actual findings of fraud that would remotely change the outcome. Praxidicae (talk) 19:05, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
@Walter.e.steele: Care to mulligan on the topic area you want to get involved in? Coming into a topic area and spouting debunked conspiracy theories no credible source is taking seriously is a very good way to see yourself facing sanctions. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 21:26, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Given that our duly elected President is speaking right this minute about the Election Fraud, those here who want to contest my comment appear to be Fascist thugs. Sanction that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walter.e.steele (talkcontribs) 21:51, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I find it funny when the far-right screams about their ultimate style of government as if it were leftist.A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 23:49, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

How to make my page accessible[edit]

Hello please how do I make my page accessible on google because I just finished up with creating my first page but can't find it's on google when I shearch the name of my site — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burryconnect (talkcontribs) 19:49, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Burryconnect, I see several problems. First, your user page, User:Burryconnect, is not the place for an article. You must immediately move that material to Draft:Burryconnect. Then, please read and take to heart all of WP:Your first article. Sourcing is vital. Finally, you must get a new user name, as it is a company name. See: Wikipedia:Username policy.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I Contributed An Update To WHYN-FM But Now The Infobox Won't Display Properly/I've Been Unable To Fix It[edit]

After adding information for the brand new WHYN-HD2/W247DL ("97.3 The Beat") to the WHYN-FM article, I've noticed that the Infobox now doesn't display properly! I must have made at least a dozen attempts to repair the error but it just continues to not display. Can somebody please repair the error ASAP? I don't know how to fix it. I've already tried at least 10 times but to no avail.DizzyMosquitoRadio99 (talk) 21:35, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Fixed, there were some curly brackets that didn't have matching closing brackets. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:46, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Reference image published by CDC via tableau?[edit]

In a Wikipedia article, I would like to embed the graph at

Such images are public domain with appropriate citations (see

Is there an existing Wikipedia article which embeds an image from CDC tableau which I can use as an example? If not, can you please provide an example of the Wikipedia edit source appropriate to embed the image at the URL above along with the appropriate citation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OneSkyWalker (talkcontribs) 22:10, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

@OneSkyWalker: the first link says "© 2020 Tableau Software, LLC, a Salesforce Company. All Rights Reserved". I don't see anything on the CDC page that contradicts that. Can you explain how the two are related? RudolfRed (talk) 22:29, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
And the direct answer to your question, OneSkyWalker, separate from the copyright issue, is that it is not possible to embed anything from an external source in a Wikipedia article. All images must first be uploaded either to Wikimedia Commons or to Wikipedia. But getting the copyright right is the first step always. --ColinFine (talk) 22:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
That CDC link says its content is "public domain, unless otherwise stated", but the content in question has an "otherwise stated" copyright that means it is not compatible with Wikipedia's licencing. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
@OneSkyWalker: Your best move is to find the data at, and then create an equivalent graph using gnuplot or any program you are happy with. Your graph will be your own work. If you wish to tackle this, I can help after you find the data. This has big advantages, as we can document the method and source, and then update as the CDC adds more data. We will not use any "creative elements" from the graph, so we will have no need to reference it at all. -Arch dude (talk) 00:40, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
My thanks to everyone for the helpful information you have provided!
@RudolfRed:, @ColinFine:, and @Joseph2302: Thanks! You are correct that the URL I cited has "© 2020 Tableau Software, LLC, a Salesforce Company. All Rights Reserved" so that page is copyrighted. But the graph is published by the CDC at with no copyright statement and the graph has an icon to download it with no copyright notice. In addition to the CDC citations web page cited above, I see the statement at ("Most of the information on the CDC and ATSDR websites is not subject to copyright, is in the public domain, and may be freely used or reproduced without obtaining copyright permission.") which suggests to me that I can download the graph and the upload it to Wikimedia Commons? Has a CDC graph already been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons the metadata of which I can use as an example if I choose to do that?
@Arch dude: Thanks! Your suggestion has some merit. I can easily download the data. However, the "secret sauce" in the graph is the gold line indicating the threshold above which the number of deaths are considered excessive. I can calculate the standard deviation for each week in the year going back a decade or two and compute two standard deviations above the mean, but that is rather unsophisticated because there will only be 20 data points each week (if I look back 20 years) making a standard deviation calculation questionable and the standard deviation calculation does not consider issues such as population growth, changing demographics, etc. Of course, the CDC estimate could be equally naive. I can download the data for the gold line in the graph so I can easily compare any estimate I generate to the estimate generated by the CDC for each data point. Please let me know your thoughts in light of the additional information I have provided.
OneSkyWalker (talk) 20:45, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
@OneSkyWalker: if Tableau did not document how they created the threshold line, then their graph is not a reliable source anyway. It's better to construct your own threshold as you outlined, because you will document your methodology on the description page of the graph you upload. This will not violate WP:OR because you are just using mathematical computations. In the few cases where I have created a plot, I have provided the entire gnuplot input as part of the description. -Arch dude (talk) 21:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

December 3[edit]

Want to use countries national flags[edit]

Hello I'm Vinay and I creating an educational android app and I want to use all the countries flags in my app so I just want to know the images are copyrighted or not? can I use images without any problem? and I'm going to monetize that app with admob

None of the national flags at e.g. Gallery of sovereign state flags are copyrighted to my knowledge. This means you can use them however you please and do not need to observe any terms. You can see the exact license by clicking on each image. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 04:09, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

What are the Ways to Get Admin access for my wiki page[edit]

Our Official wikipedia page created by unknown person. I just want to get the edit and admin access for our official page. Whats the procedure to get admin acesss for wikipedia page — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:12, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

There's a lot wrong with this statement...
A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 06:21, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
I would add that if you have a conflict of interest, you should not directly edit the article about your person/organization. You may, however, make a formal edit request on the article talk page, detailing changes you feel are needed, preferably sourced to independent [{WP:RS|reliable sources]]. 331dot (talk) 09:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, IP user. You seem to have the common misconception that Wikipedia's article about you is in any way ("official" or otherwise) yours. It is not: it does not belong to you, it is not for your benefit, and it should be almost entirely based on what people who have no connection with you have chosen to publish about you. Your involvement should be limited to making edit requests, as other replies have explained. --ColinFine (talk) 11:47, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Any uninvolved editor, including you, may edit (almost) any Wikipedia article. No specific access is needed. If, however, you are associated with the subject of an article as you are here, then you should not edit the article directly: you have less editing rights for that article than the rest of us. Instead, make suggestions on the article's talk page as outlined in WP:COI. -Arch dude (talk) 17:33, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
To sum things up, (1) there is no such thing as an "official Wikipedia page", (2) there is no such thing as "admin access", and (3) you do not have any sort of authority over the article just because your organisation is its subject. JIP | Talk 20:24, 3 December 2020 (UTC)


Why do I keep being pestered for a donation when I have already contributed (twice)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:28, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

You are using an IP address. The notification system has no way to know that the person sitting at the computer at any given moment has made a donation. If you create an account, you can turn off such notifications for yourself. If you don't wish to create an account, then don't, and simply ignore the messages. No one wants you to donate beyond your means. 331dot (talk) 09:17, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
See replies at Wikipedia:Help_desk#Contributions. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:19, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Using sortname for disambiguated name[edit]

I'm working on a sortable list of people using sortname. (The goal is to have their normal name in text (i.e. firstname lastname), but have it sorted alphabetically by their family name) I want to include a person whose name is disambiguated (i.e. firstname lastname (job) ). How do I get this person in my list without their job or the blue background for disambiguation? --Dutchy45 (talk) 10:06, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Dutchy45 you sort it by adding the disambiguation i.e. what you have in brackets in the article name, as a dab parameter in the sortname template. For example, for the article David Weir (athlete) it would be {{sortname|David|Weir|dab=athlete}}, which sorts the same as David Weir, and links to the article David Weir (athlete). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Joseph2302 --Dutchy45 (talk) 14:54, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Duplicate film[edit]

Hey all, I think the page Call Me: The Rise and Fall of Heidi Fleiss (movie) can be removed, since there's also the actual film page Call Me: The Rise and Fall of Heidi Fleiss. Greetings. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 13:08, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@Aquatic Ambiance: One is a redirect to the other, which is common, and does not require deleting anything. RudolfRed (talk) 16:18, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Could the donation requests be made clearer?[edit]

Every time Wikipedia asks for donations, the Help Desk fills up with messages saying "Wikipedia keeps nagging me for donations when I have already donated! Why won't it realise I have already donated? Your site sucks!" when the reason is that Wikipedia has no way of connecting a user's IP to the physical person's bank account and thus has no way of knowing if the person already donated or not. Could this somehow be made clear in the donation request itself so people would understand it? JIP | Talk 13:57, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

JIP, I'm not sure if there is a talk page on here that is involved with discussion about the donation banner, but taking a look at Wikipedia:Contact us/Donors perhaps you could try sending a message to the email provided? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:01, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
@JIP and Tenryuu:, I wonder if a simple 'don't ask me again' stored in a cookie would do the job. --CiaPan (talk) 15:49, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
I have heard that that would go against Wikipedia's privacy policies. JIP | Talk 15:51, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
CiaPan (ec) There is no way to know if the person sitting at the computer at any moment using Wikipedia with an IP has seen the donation requests before. What you suggest would not work as one person would be speaking for everyone using a particular IP. 331dot (talk) 15:54, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Wrong, 331dot. I do not talk about storing an IP user's decision at a Wikipedia side, but rather storing a decision on the user's side, on their device. That could also cause a problem you mention, but not among all users of the same IP address but just among users of the same user account on the same device (e.g. members of the same family or readers at the same desk in the same library). --CiaPan (talk) 16:06, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
The cookie would be device-user-specific, not IP-specific, so that wouldn't be a problem. Of course there is still no actual guarantee the same device-user is the same physical person, but then that's a problem that is inherently unsolvable in software. But I have read that it is Wikipedia policy not to store cookies on a user's device unless the user is explicitly logged in. JIP | Talk 17:08, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
@JIP: Comments or suggestions about the donation process can be sent to donate (at) RudolfRed (talk) 16:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Inline template: independent source?[edit]

I'd like an inline cleanup template that says something to the effect that a source is not independent. Independence is one of the criteria for reliability and notability. The source is a Seventh Day Adventist published book concerning a BLP who is a member of the Seventh Day Adventist. The source is still reliable per WP:PRIMARY for basic facts {{Unreliable source?}} would be somewhat misleading. What would be the best way to tag the source inline as not independent? Thanks! -- GreenC 14:17, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Try Template:Third-party inline. Cheers ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia talk 14:34, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Question about Edit Warring[edit]

I have been "warned" for an edit war, but what I'm confused about is that for it to be an edit war, the other person also has to be participating right? They come across as arrogant when they say like "You're been warned about this", but wouldn't they also be contributing to the edit war and should be warned for the same thing? I think I'm misunderstanding how that works Zacatero (talk) 16:08, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@Zacatero: It depends on the facts and circumstances, but yes WP:BOOMERANG is a thing. See WP:EW for more info on edit wars. RudolfRed (talk) 16:22, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
@Zacatero: Admin here - I've not looked into your edit history so am not going to make an assessment as to whether or not you have been edit warring. Whether you have or haven't, your best course of action now is to open a discussion on the talk page of the article in question. If you have reliable sources to back up what you are saying, then link to them. Let others decide the merits of your argument. Stick to the issue at hand, rather than the editor who hold an opposing view to you. Mjroots (talk) 17:28, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
@Mjroots: That's a fair point. I will do that. Thank you! Zacatero (talk) 19:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Invalid URL Here Come the Hawks[edit]

Original vocal recording of "Here Come The Hawks" on the Chicago Blackhawks website. Original instrumental recording of "Here Come The Hawks" on the Chicago Blackhawks website. Invalid URL both links need replacing — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:37, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Please let us know what article has the bad link and what the correct link is. RudolfRed (talk) 19:04, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Infobox sportsperson - how to add children?[edit]

Hullo! I'm trying to add the family (wives, children) of Ian Fairbairn to his infobox sportsperson. I've managed the wives, but cannot do the children (as either total number (2) or their names). The parameter child is in there but it seems to be used for something else (some sort of recursive extra infobox?). I've looked at the infobox sportsperson template (Template:Infobox_sportsperson) and that does not include children. Any suggestions on how to make this change? --MerielGJones (talk) 19:14, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

This template does not have parameters for children. You should use some other template. Ruslik_Zero 20:37, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you!--MerielGJones (talk) 21:00, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
@MerielGJones: ... or skip it altogether. I think we've been trying to shy away from mentioning non-notable spouses and children, at least in infoboxes. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the advice. MerielGJones (talk) 01:03, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

To give or not to give URLs to DOI-indexed sources?[edit]

Some time ago I noticed a link in reference marked with {{dead link}} as [permanent dead link]. Soon I noticed another one and was surprised to find out both URLs point at the same domain. So I made a search for the domain name and started (slowly, as a typical WikiSloth) to search with Google for linked works and replace dead links with newly found (example: Special:Diff/990048740). However, I soon found out the links I add are the same to which DOI links resolve.
So here is the question:

  • Does it make sense to put the URL in the {{cite sth| url=... }} parameter if exactly same link can be reached from the link provided by the doi=... parameter?
  • Or may be it's better to let the DOI link to point at the general description page of a publication, and provide an explicit URL to a downloadable PDF file?

--CiaPan (talk) 21:11, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@CiaPan: It doesn't seem necessary for the url parm to point to the same resource that the doi resolves to. I usually provide a URL parm only if it's an alternative source. It could be argued, though, that putting the link in the url parm links the title for consistency with other linked titles in the ref list, as well as provides backup for the doi resolving system, FWIW. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:51, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


Hi, how do I welcome new users on Wikipedia? I've seen multiple people do this and I'd like to know how.

Ex-Borg Seven of Nine (talk) 22:22, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

@Ex-Borg Seven of Nine: Check this out: Wikipedia:Welcoming_committee, it explains how and when to welcome new users. RudolfRed (talk) 01:20, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

December 4[edit]

Question on BLP policy for recently deceased individuals.[edit]

I came across Bill Spanswick while looking at recent edits. I've been around a while, but I rarely touch BLP articles outside of reverting vandalism. Local news sources indicate that this person died yesterday, but I understand that BLP policies can still apply to recently deceased people. Does that mean we wait to remove the living people category? Or is an article about a retired athlete of no tremendous fame low-profile enough that it can just be removed? TornadoLGS (talk) 02:36, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello TornadoLGS. Although you are correct that BLP policies apply to recently deceased people, nothing in that policy prevents routine maintenance of such articles when reliable sources report the death and there is no controversy. The policy requires extreme caution to avoid reporting that "he was murdered" or "he died of a drug overdose" or "he was a really mean SOB" without impeccable sources. All blogs and social media outlets and tabloid gossip coverage must be excluded from such articles. So, feel free to remove living people categories, and add relevant categories like "Deaths in 2020" or whatever. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:58, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

is an article about a retired athlete of no tremendous fame low-profile enough that it can just be removed?

Nope. Herostratus (talk) 07:37, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
@Herostratus: So how long after death should the living persons category be removed in such an instance? TornadoLGS (talk) 19:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Oof, @TornadoLGS: , I'm really sorry, I misread what you had written, I thought you were suggesting removing the article. (As to the question you actually asked, Danski454 below is correct.)
@TornadoLGS: The living persons category should be replaced with the appropriate year of death category as soon as reliable sources report a person's death. Danski454 (talk) 19:30, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Question about donations[edit]

Hi I'm curious: since Wikipedia has become a total left-wing propaganda outlet why don't you just cut a deal with the DNC and/or the CCP instead of asking broke Americans for donations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:40E:4000:18C0:289C:D250:385:332B (talk) 06:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

If you don't want to see the banner, you can create an account and disable it in your preferences. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:33, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Care for some Kool-Aid? Oh, I see your cup is already full. Never mind--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:44, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
The Wikimedia Foundation had revenue of about US $110 million last year and has an endowment of about $58 million. Sure, the pandemic has had an impact, but the WMF can survive just fine without the IP editor's money. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:11, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
May the best sources win. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 07:15, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Strange as it may sound, they also ask people who are not Americans for donations. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:59, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
That's all part of the coverup. —valereee (talk) 11:31, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
I stumbled across Wikipedia coverage of American politics recently - it's an interesting read. GoingBatty (talk) 17:43, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

I have not seen any evidence of wikipedia being left-wing propaganda.What I have seen is right-wingers complaining about it. Please do not expext it to reflect your views entirely. It should respect all points of vew or better still have no point of view. There has been plenty written on Wikipedia policies and I would be grateful if you would rad some of it. Wikipedia should strive for the truth of facts so far as reliable sources allow. I challenge you to namme an article which is "left-wing propaganda". I am going to declare my political standpoint which you have not and I respectfully ask you to do so. I am a registered supporter of the British Labour Party and count myself as being a friend of USA, having visited the country on a number of occasions and visited eight of the states (admittedly all on the east coast. I willingly to pay the wikipedia a small amount (about £10 a year) and I think it worth it to keep the encyclopedia free of advertising and commercial influence. I appreciate that the Foundation need to ask for money sometimes.Spinney Hill (talk) 01:17, 5 December 2020 (UTC).

Template:single chart[edit]

I'd like to build template:single chart for the song "Parle à ta tête", but the parameter appears incorrect as I correctly inserted the SNEP chart to the table. It doesn't work.The Supermind (talk) 07:22, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Zaid Shakir[edit]

Dear Sir or Madame, We noticed in the Info box for Zaid Shakir, it is listed Senior Posting for his status. This is incorrect and should be Muslim Leader. Your prompt attention would be greatly appreciate.

Thank you, Saliha Shakir, NID Public Relations — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imzaid (talkcontribs) 07:59, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

That is intrinsic to {{Infobox religious biography}} and as far as I can tell it cannot be changed. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 13:47, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Imzaid. Thank you for coming here and asking, rather than trying to change it yourself: you have a conflict of interest, and should not edit the article directly. The previous reply is accurate, but not very helpful to you. That entry "Senior posting" is the heading of a subsection of the infobox, which happens not to be relevant in the case of Shakir. I have raised on Template talk:Infobox religious biography the question of whether the heading can be suppressed if it has no contents, as is the case here. --ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
ColinFine, by all appearances it can be suppressed, since there are other headers on the template that don't show up in the article. OP wants the header changed, though, not hidden, and as far as I am aware that's not possible barring a consensus to do so. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 01:38, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

conflicting user information?[edit]

Does anyone know why global acct info shows me as registering an account in 2013 while user analysis tool shows it as 2006? I've seen this with other accounts, too. —valereee (talk) 11:30, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, that's wierd, mine match. Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), perhaps? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:07, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
@Valereee, it's most likely something to do with how Global accounts were transferred, that's probably the registration of your global account as they didn't exist until around that time. There's a few articles on if you're interested in the technicalities of it. 🎄🎄 Ed talk! 🎄🎄 12:26, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! It was just idle curiosity, really, but I'll check at mediawiki to see if the technicalities are too technical for me. :) —valereee (talk) 12:36, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Jack Downer[edit]

Hi , I just submitted a page to be reviewed so it can be published regarding my client Jack Downer.

I wanted to check I submitted it correctly and how long it will take for that to be reviewed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by George Woffenden (talkcontribs) 12:11, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

George Woffenden Draft:Jack Downer was declined on April 5th, and not resubmitted. It was submitted by a different account, was that yours at the time? In addition, you should review the paid editing policy for information on a formal declaration you need to make(you kinda sorta do on your user page but it is not complete). 331dot (talk) 12:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Editing the Egidio Marzona page[edit]

On December 1st I edited the Edigio Marzona page, and my edits were approved immediately (

However, on December 2nd I found two errors in my edit of 1st December(the name of the foundation and the founders). I corrected these mistakes by creating a new Edit on the Edigio Marzona page. However, this edit of 2nd December has not yet been approved:

"Marzona Stiftung Neue Saalecker Werkstätten 2018 errichtete Egidio Marzona die „Marzona Stiftung neue Saalecker Werkstätten“ mit Sitz in Naumburg (Saale).[3] Die gemeinnützige Stiftung widmet sich der Förderung von Designern, Handwerkern, Architekten und Künstlern durch die Vergabe von Stipendien, die Schaffung von Bildungsangeboten und den Austausch von Akteuren aus Politik, Kultur und Wirtschaft.[4] Ausserdem befasst sich die Stiftung mit der Erhaltung, Erforschung und Vermittlung der Saalecker Werkstätten im historischen und zeitgeschichtlichen Kontext.[5]

Seit 2020 finden an der durch die „Marzona Stiftung Neue Saalecker Werkstätten“ gegründeten dieDAS - Design Akademie Saaleck in den Gebäuden der ehemaligen Saalecker Werkstätten erste internationale Fellowship-Programme sowie Bildungs- und Informationsveranstaltungen statt. Die Sanierung der denkmalgeschützten Anlage nach einem Masterplan der dänischen Architektin Dorte Mandrup soll 2025 abgeschlossen sein."

Is there any way to speed up the approval process, as the edit from 1st December contains mistakes? The page now has a number of "pending reviews". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ugileproni (talkcontribs) 14:25, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Ugileproni This is the help desk for the English Wikipedia, we cannot help you with issues on the German Wikipedia. You will need to use whatever forum they have similar to this help desk to request assistance. 331dot (talk) 14:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
The German Wikipedia's help desk appears to be at de:Wikipedia:Fragen zur Wikipedia. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:29, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
@Ugileproni: the forum for getting pending changes reviewed is de:WP:GSV/A. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:14, 4 December 2020 (UTC) subscription[edit]

My subscription to thru Wikipedia has been working just fine up until today. Don't know if there is a problem with the service or something at my end I should be doing. Who can help me to get it going again?--Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:43, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

WP:LIBRARY is the place. I thought was part of the bundle you get from there. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 16:53, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
@Lee Vilenski: Thanks for setting me on the right track. --Doug Coldwell (talk) 20:19, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Publishing a Army unit wiki page[edit]

I have created a draft with hope of it being reviewed and submitted but i dont think anyone has. You can find the page under " Draft: 242d Ordnance Battalion (EOD) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Panamenoae (talkcontribs) 18:30, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Panamenoae: The draft (Draft: 242d Ordnance Battalion (EOD)) was not submitted for review. I have added a button to the draft allowing you to submit it for review. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:40, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
But, Panamenoae, before you do any more work on your draft, please read your first article and NORG. What you have written is a page where the unit is telling the world about itself (you even use the word "our"): a Wikipedia article is nothing like that. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their asssociates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. --ColinFine (talk) 21:13, 4 December 2020 (UTC)


I posted an article and an editor took it down as not notable for Wikipedia. How can I appeal this decision? --Robert Adamski (talk) 19:49, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

@Robert Adamski: Is this about Draft:Hermandad (non-profit) ‎? Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:03, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
If it is about the draft that Victor Schmidt linked, it's still in draftspace and has been declined twice for the same reason: the references used do not demonstrate the subject's suitability for an article. I suggest re-reading the comment Calliopejen1 has supplied after the declination notices. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:11, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

You also need to add citations. Everything must be cited. TigerScientist (talk) 01:33, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Placement of audio file[edit]

I'm trying to place an audio file that's coded like this:

{{listen |filename=FILENAME.ogg |title=TITLE |description=DESCRIPTION }}

on the left side of a page. How do I do this? --Dutchy45 (talk) 21:18, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dutchy45. If you look at Template:Listen, it says it has a parameter pos, which can take values left and right. --ColinFine (talk) 23:12, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

You are not independent[edit]

Shame on you as librarians misleading people. Unproffessional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:249:1080:16D0:C0F8:AAE4:8F87:9C5F (talk) 22:30, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

  1. I am not a librarian. No doubt some of the thousands and thousands of volunteer editors you are addressing are librarians, but I'm not.
  2. I am independent.
  3. I am not misleading anybody (at least not intentionally)
  4. I am a volunteer, not a professional. Nonetheless, I hope I am professional in my approach.
  5. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? --ColinFine (talk) 23:09, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, IPv6 editor. This is your only post under this IP address. So, if you have an issue, you need to help us understand what it is. Please link to an article, to a bad edit or to some other problem. Otherwise your post just comes over as an impotent rant, and none of us here are mind readers. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:12, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

December 5[edit]

Cross-wiki notification issue[edit]

Just before I add another suggestion to the Community Wishlist Survey, I wanted to check with colleagues whether I'm doing something dumb...

My issue is that I am constantly frustrated that whenever I get a mention or alert on another wikimedia project post that I'm watching, I don't get the usual red notification in my 'Alerts' at the top of the page as I would do if I am mentioned on this wiki. Instead, I simply get a blue alert in 'Your Notices' with a message about 'More notices from another wiki'. That isn't, in itself, a problem. But, if I make the mistake of marking the alert as 'read', the cross-wiki notification then disappears completely, and I have no way of retrieving that notification again. I find this immensely frustrating, but wanted to query whether it's down to something I might be doing wrong at my end, or if others find this a flaw in the notification system that really ought to be addressed. I look forward to some feedback on this. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:08, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add Joseph Merrick (the elephant man) to the article on the 27 Club[edit]

mr Merrick died at age 27 per your own article at — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

The 27 Club seems to be restricted to "musicians, artists, actors, and athletes". Clarityfiend (talk) 00:14, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello IP editor. Notwithstanding the above reply, that would sound more like a relevant request were there a category for people who died aged 27 (I haven't checked if there is one). That article sounds simply like modern cultural woo-woo. If Merrick was a member, cite your source or a membership number. Personally, my view of adding people post mortem, who'd never heard of such a thing, is a rather silly undertaking. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:20, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Citing lengthy lists of authors[edit]

When a scientific article has a vast number of "authors", say, approaching 30, is there any alternative to listing them all? How is the process automated?--Quisqualis (talk) 02:39, 5 December 2020 (UTC)