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February 19[edit]

Help with AfD procedures[edit]

Hello, my username is ChunyangD and I'm a fairly green editor. I came across a page that appears to be a book review and is not encyclopedic. It seems to warrant AfD to me, but I've never gone through the process before. Could someone provide advice? The article is The Working Poor: Invisible in America. ChunyangD (talk) 06:13, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

It needs editing, not deletion. Reviews in the New York Times and San Francisco Chronicle (also Publishers Weekly and others[1]) satisfy WP:NBOOK point #1. When you find an article that really does need to be considered for deletion, then I strongly recommend you install Twinkle, which makes the process much, much, much easier. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:31, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Wikilink: Twinkle. TigraanClick here to contact me 08:47, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
@ChunyangD: I've overhauled the article so it is no longer a disgrace to Wikipedia. See what you think. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:08, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you - it looks much better now! Will continue to keep this in mind for future edits. ChunyangD (talk) 18:47, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Old talk page still attached to new article[edit]


This article was recently created: Syrian Liberation Front. If I click on the talk page link in that article, it takes me to Talk:Syrian Islamic Liberation Front instead of Talk:Syrian Liberation Front. How does this get fixed so the new article has its own talk page?

Thanks, David O. Johnson (talk) 06:42, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

David O. Johnson the problem was that Talk: Syrian Liberation Front was redirecting to Talk: Syrian Islamic Liberation Front. I've removed the redirect, so should be fine now. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:29, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Commons photos[edit]


I uploaded pictures to Commons for the first time [2] and under "Metadata" is says: Date and time of data generation: 23:54, 31 March 2004, however they are of the Stanley Cup Finals 2009 (for example:[3]). I have photos of the Penguins winning the cup that game and Crosby is pictured so it can't be 2004, so I am sure it is the 2009 Finals. Is this an error on my part or the Commons? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 08:40, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

  • Most likely on your part. I would bet your camera wasn't set to date when you took the photos, and it recorded incorrect metadata. Maybe someone else can say how to correct that? TigraanClick here to contact me 08:49, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
I think you're right. I just uploaded another photo from a different camera/phone and the date was correct. Does this need to get fixed or is it still useable despite the date difference? HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 09:00, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
I expect many photos get uploaded from cameras with mis-set clocks. But this question would be best asked at the Commons Help Desk. Maproom (talk) 09:20, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
There's a warning in the Metadata section to the effect that the date/time might not be correct and it depends upon the settings within the camera. Eagleash (talk) 09:32, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Wow, I must be blind to have missed that. Thanks a lot! HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 09:39, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Setting the date and time for the camera model in the metadata. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:33, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
  • If the error bothers you, you can fix it, maybe. The file is a JPEG and it contains metadata in EXIF format. There are editors available to allow you to modify the data (which is one reason that you cannot trust the data in the first place!) For example, the latest GIMP has native EXIF editing, and earlier GIMPs have plugins. Depending on your OS, there are also simpler tools: google "EXIF editor". -Arch dude (talk) 20:25, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
  • You can and definitely should fix the date displayed at commons:File:Pittsburgh players 2009 Stanley Cup Finals.jpg#Summary. It was automatically copied from the metadata at upload time but you are free to change it with a normal edit of the file page. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

User page has been deleted[edit]

This is the user page I was using until before a hour.

Now I see the message saying "This page has been deleted. The deletion, protection, and move log for the page are provided below for reference."

I am not seeing any the deletion logs as well. I yesterday uploaded a picture, and then someone asked to add proper license, I have sent a mail to the author of the picture and waiting for the reply to forward to admin. But the user page got deleted. Someone please help me out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohanavalli (talkcontribs) 09:27, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

The page you are looking for is [4] (on Commons, not on English Wikipedia). Rmhermen (talk) 09:44, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks lot for you help. I want to delete this picture which I uploaded twice, may this be deleted please.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohanavalli (talkcontribs) 10:34, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Page submission[edit]


I would like to submit the following page: Draft:Niko Klansek or

The content in both pages is the same. Please, let me know if I have to do any corrections regarding references or template.

Thank you very much. I appreciate your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by LkHk (talkcontribs) 09:53, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

@LkHk: Hello, I have left a welcome message and also some useful links at your talk page. I have also tidied up the draft a bit. (Punctuation goes before refs etc.) The image seems to have been copied from Klansek's social media pages and there is probably a copyright issue unless you have obtained the necessary permission from the copyright holder. Links to social media have been deleted per WP:ELNO. If you feel the draft is ready for mainspace, you can place {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page which will submit it for review. You should probably request deletion of the sandbox page by placing {{Db-G7}} at the top of the page. Thank you. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Eagleash (talk) 10:34, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
I've deleted the sandbox version Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:48, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

How to create general links[edit]

If I wanted "religiou sister" to direct to "nun#Distinction between a nun and a religious sister", rather than to the top of this long article on all sorts of nuns, how could I make it so that this would happen? Jzsj (talk) 14:00, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

You'd use the pipe character, so [[nun#Distinction between a nun and a religious sister|religious sister]] renders as religious sister. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:07, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Virat Kohli[edit]

please correct the date of Virat Kohli' last T20 match. It is written as 18 Oct 2018. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:16, 19 February 2018‎ (UTC)

Virat Kohli (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Convenience link. As for what the date should be, I have no idea. I would have fixed it if OP had given us a source... †dismas†|(talk) 15:21, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

how do I get to the simplified/traditional chinese Wikipedia (I mean the link, nothing is censored here)[edit]


So I see that on the left-hand side the interwiki links (on any article, pick whatever article you want as long as it's not terribly obscure) go to pages like this one首页

For example if I search for cat it goes to and then if I mouse over the chinese-looking links on the left I eventually see "Chinese" in the mouseover description, and that one links here猫

How do I choose the Simplified versus Traditional wikies? Which one is linked normally? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AB88:2481:FC80:74F7:8967:473C:1EE6 (talk) 15:41, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

When I got to Cat, I see Classical Chinese just below Walon and above West Valm in the list, abd I see Wu Chinese just below Wolof. -Arch dude (talk) 17:40, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
See Chinese Wikipedia#Automatic_conversion_between_traditional_and_simplified_Chinese_characters. There is a single Standard Chinese version of Wikipedia, which automatically displays traditional or simplified characters depending upon your preference settings. Its article on cats is listed second to last on the Cat article. There are also separate Wikipedias for some Chinese varieties that differ significantly from Standard Chinese, including Wu, Classical and Cantonese. TSP (talk) 18:12, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Hey Arch dude. Ideally every language version of every page would be linked to in the sidebar as you describe (assuming I'm understanding your question correctly). These are linked together via our sister project Wikidata. To change the entries and add a link to a language project that is missing, you need only to click on the "edit links" button below the listed language versions. Often, if there is a link missing, it means that there has not yet been an article created in that particular language yet, and if you speak that language competently, you are welcome to add it and then add the link to it. GMGtalk 18:09, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
  • (I'm not the OP) Thanks for the information. To summarize for the OP:
    • There are several chinese Wikipedias, one great big one and and bunch of smaller ones. See Chinese Wikipedia.
    • The interwiki links in the left sidebar provide one link to each Wikipedia that has a corresponding article, as listed in the Wikidata item for the subject.
    • The big Chinese Wikipedia allows a user a preference for the orthography used to display an article, and another preference for some minor vocabulary variants, but it's still only one Wikipedia, so it has only one entry in the sidebar.
    • If you are logged into Wikipedia when you hit that link, the Chinese Wikipedia will serve the page based on your preferences.
    • If you are not logged in, the Chinese Wikipedia may make a guess on your preferences based on your location(?)
Formatting too strong. GMGtalk 20:37, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Got it. So without logging in I cannot see the simplified character version, since I'm being served the traditional character version? (Based on a guess by their servers). I don't really want to make an account. 2A02:AB88:2481:FC80:74F7:8967:473C:1EE6 (talk) 07:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

I think you should ask at the help desk of the Chinese Wikipedia, the link to which is on the left sidebar of this page. -Arch dude (talk) 07:33, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, I asked it there (in English). 2A02:AB88:2481:FC80:74F7:8967:473C:1EE6 (talk) 10:58, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
The Chinese Wikipedia has a tab to select the writing system. I don't know how long the choice is remembered or what is required to remember it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:33, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
I've answered the OP at Chinese Wikipedia, but I will post my answer here too. In Chinese Wikipedia, you should be able to switch to different text encoding/writing system even when logged out (I've just tried it). Hover to the tab located at the right side of 讨论 (talk) on the top left hand corner of every page, and a dropdown menu should appear (allows you to choose from five different options). Alex Shih (talk) 11:46, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Perfect, I replied to you on the Chinese help desk. (I asked for a translation of those options.) Thanks for the help. 2A02:AB88:2481:FC80:74F7:8967:473C:1EE6 (talk) 12:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

I think I made a mess[edit]

I think I made a mess by accidentally hitting a wrong key. I was trying to post a proposal for summary deletion of the new article Mutual energy principle. Please would someone with suitable Wiki editing skills fix it.Chjoaygame (talk) 17:59, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

I've properly formatted the deletion discussion page. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 18:04, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Is there a service that allows non-university affiliated people access to academic journals and an interlibrary loan?[edit]

Wondering if something like this has been created for which, you could pay a monthly fee or something similar and get access? I figured if anyone would know if something like this, it would be other Wikipedians. :) - Scarpy (talk) 18:08, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Hey Scarpy. It doesn't really help with interlibrary loans, but if you apply at the Wikipedia Library you can request access to a number of publications that are not normally available to someone without access to a university library system. GMGtalk 18:15, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
User:GreenMeansGo Gotcha. Are you aware of anything along the lines of subscription libraries or private libraries that would facilitate and interlibrary loan service? - Scarpy (talk) 22:24, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
No Scarpy, other than going to an actual library, I'm afraid that's all I know to recommend. GMGtalk 22:30, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Second Amendment[edit]

Why does the definition of this amendment not refer to the first words contained in the paragraph, that is, “a well regulated militia”? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:35, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

If you want to read the text of the amendment, you'll find it at Second Amendment to the United States Constitution#Text. Perhaps you didn't read that far? --David Biddulph (talk) 19:03, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Interpretation of that particular phrase is covered at Second Amendment to the United States Constitution#Meaning of "well regulated militia". -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:27, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

where/how to request changes to particular article[edit]

What's the proper way to submit a suggestion for improvement (or request additional info be added) for a particular wikipedia article/page? Can anyone make a suggestion or does it require a wikipedia account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CookiePJones (talkcontribs) 20:24, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

You can use the article's talk page. Ruslik_Zero 20:31, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Hey CookiePJones. Wikipedia encourages users to boldly make changes to improve the encylopedia and the vast majority of articles can be edited by anyone, including those who do not have a registered account. If these bold changes are reverted by someone else, it is expected that the users will discuss the changes on the article's talk page and reach a consensus regarding article content.
In case you have come across one of the few articles that are protected so that only more experienced editors can change them, or if you aren't comfortable technically with making the change yourself, you can request someone review your suggestion by posting it on the article's talk page, along with sources to support your suggestion, and include {{Help me}}, which will add it to a list of requests to be reviewed by experienced volunteers. GMGtalk 20:32, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Pending Changes Protection[edit]

Hello, my father has been receiving a lot of vandalism from anonymous users on his Wikipedia page: There has been harassment, insults, and completely blanking the page. Please help me create a Pending Changes Protection so this does not happen anymore! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Banvelca1890 (talkcontribs) 21:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

@Banvelca1890: Hello, you can make a request for protection at WP:RFPP. Eagleash (talk) 21:07, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Though I dunno if it'll work, as it's getting just like an act of vandalism every two weeks, with even less during last summer and autumn. That's actually really light vandalism. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:11, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
Agreed, it's persistent but sporadic. Eagleash (talk) 21:14, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Tried to add two photos from Wiki Commons, didn't work[edit]

The edit in question: [5]

The photos in question: [6] [7]

Please help me fix any problems. Thank you. Imagine Reason (talk) 22:33, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

The images were added but they were just added after the other media. I moved the image to the left which I hope helps. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 22:37, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

February 20[edit]

Alessandro Victoria[edit]

I added to the website the name Alessandro Victoria Italian sculptor d.1608 but Alessandro Victoria should be a link to an existant Wikipedia page ; how to do?

VittoriaǀAlessandro Vittoria — Preceding unsigned comment added by IthinkIknow (talkcontribs) 02:01, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Alessandro Vittoria; maybe Alessandro_Vittoria Preceding unsigned comment added by IthinkIknow (talkcontribs)

"The article you're looking for doesn't exist." But it does. IthinkIknow (talk) 02:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

You spelled it incorrectly. I fixed it. Seems your username may be a little premature, lol. Heiro 02:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks links are hidden[edit]

Information to users coming here: Thanks links are currently deliberately hidden due to a bug where the wrong editor is thanked. See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Thanks not working. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:39, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

New Page Title Typo'd[edit]

I just attempted to create the page Whitehorse Formation (Canada) and I typo'd the title as Whitehores Formation (Canada). Could someone please correct it for me? Georgialh (talk) 02:50, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

I have moved the page and added a link at top of Whitehorse Formation which is about a United States formation. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Still thinks this is a wonderful illustration of how Wikipedia works (and doesn't work). A new article can be created by someone who doesn't have the ability to fix the title. :(Naraht (talk) 21:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
You must be autoconfirmed to move pages but currently also to create articles: Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed article creation trial. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:03, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
@Naraht: Georgialh is WP:EXTENDEDCONFIRMED and could have moved it themself, something they have correctly done before. PrimeHunter was being helpful, and moved it for them. Why wasn't a redirect left behind and categorized as an {{R from misspelling}}? Sam Sailor 11:48, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanx, PrimeHunter, I didn't know. Sam Sailor Yes, it is a help desk. :) I use a more narrow definition for R from misspelling, that doesn't really include most typos, but rather just, "this is what I intended to type, but it turns out I was wrong on how it is spelled".Naraht (talk) 12:11, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Administrators like me can move pages without leaving a redirect which would have qualified as Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#R3. Implausible typos. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:37, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Administrators and page movers ... {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 13:45, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you all for the info. I wasn't sure I could do it correctly and didn't want to mess it up. Your help is much appreciated. Georgialh (talk) 17:55, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Unable to edit[edit]

Bold text Why i am can not able to change any page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A R Singhal (talkcontribs) 06:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@A R Singhal: Hi, difficult to say without more information. Can you describe a particular problem you've encountered or give a link to a page where you are having difficulty. You seem to have made several edits according to your contributions. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 06:28, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Additionally, perhaps the number of warnings, at your talk page, in respect of disruptive editing, might have something to do with it. Eagleash (talk) 06:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Editing the article Vasily Likhachyov[edit]

Need help. I tried to add this table to the article Vasily Likhachyov, wich was identical to similiar table from other Russian politician Mikhail Fradkov but it is not displayed properly. Tell me please what is wrong about it. {{Infobox officeholder | name = Vasily Nikolayevich Likhachyov
Василий Лихачев | birthname = Vasily Nikolayevich Likhachyov | image = Vasily Likhachev.jpg | width = 170px| caption = | nationality = Russian | office = Permanent Representative from Russian Federation in European Communities | flag = Flag of Russia.svg | term_start = 5 May1998 term_end = 11 March 2003 | predecessor = Ivan Silaev | successor = Michael Fradkov | office2 = Chair of the National Council of Tatarstan Republic | term_start2 = 1 March 1995 | term_end2 = 27 May 1998 predecessor2 = office established | successor2 = Farid Mukhametshin | office3 = Vice-president of Tatarstan Republic | term_start3 = 4 July 1991 | term_end3 = 30 March 1995 | predecessor3 = office established | successor3 = office eliminated | birth_date = (1952-01-05) 5 January 1952 (age 66) | birth_place = [[Nizhny Novgorod|Gorky, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union | death_date = | death_place = | education = Kazan State University| degree = PhD in Law, professor | spouse = Nina F. Likacheva | children = | religion = Russian Orthodoxy| profession = | party = | otherparty = | signature = | branch = | serviceyears = | rank = }} Lyupant (talk) 09:17, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Simply that the Gorky wikilink was unterminated - fixed in this edit --David Biddulph (talk) 10:19, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Adding multiple connected users[edit]

I have added 10 connected users to Talk:Frederic Thomas Nicholls without a problem but the next two are not showing, can anybody work out what I have done wrong? It's also a puzzle to me why there are so many SPA connected users on this article, socks? Theroadislong (talk) 09:23, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

As the template says "This template is capable of listing up to 10 editors". Have you tried using a separate instance of the template fo get another 10? Meters (talk) 09:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC).
Yes, that works. Meters (talk) 09:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Ahh thank you! It's clearly unusual to get more than 10 conflicted users! Theroadislong (talk) 10:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
First time I've ever seen it. Meters (talk) 10:22, 20 February 2018 (UTC)`

The World Of Tagore[edit]

i want to create a new article about a new upcoming Bollywood movie, which name is "The World Of Tagore" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mijanursrkr (talkcontribs) 09:46, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Mijanursrkr. Creating a new article is one of the harder tasks on Wikipedia, and I always advise new users to get a few months' experience improving existing articles before they try it. In any case, please start by reading your first article. Then look for reliable published sources, unconnected with the film or its producers, which have talked in depth about it. If the film is not yet made, there may not be many of these, and it may be a case of TOOSOON. If you can find several such sources, then you can start a draft. Write your draft entirely from what you find in the reliable published sources (though in your own words): remember that Wikipedia is not interested, not even a little bit, in what you know, or think, or believe, any more than it is interested in what I know or any random person on the Internet knows. All the content in an article, every single fact mentioned, should come from a reliable published source, and most of it from sources unconnected with the subject.
Looking at your sandbox, User:Mijanursrkr/sandbox/The World Of Tagore, I have blanked the "Production" section, because that is a direct copy of, in violation of copyright. You need at the very least to rewrite it in your own words; but actually, if material about the production company is relevant to the article (I am not sure that it is) it should come from a source independent of the company - Wikipedia has hardly any interest in what anybody says about themselves. When I saw that text with its "We", I at first thought you were connected with the company, but then realised it looked like a cut and paste, and went looking for the source of the copyright material. But if you are in any way connected with the company, you also need to read COI. --ColinFine (talk) 10:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Sir Thomas Gower, 1st Baronet[edit]

In your article on the above you state that the 1st Baronet's father was a military engineer and one time Marshal of Berwick whose name was also Thomas. I have recently found a reference that shows that tis may be the wrong assumption. The reference comes from the 'Peerage of England' Volume III, dated 1776, and gives the father of the 1st Baronet as the eldest son of Sir Thomas Marshal of Berwick. Please see following:-

Thomas eldest son of Sir Edward was constituted on the 16th of July 35 Henry VIII Receiver general of all and singular the honours &c appointed for payment of the soldiers in garison at Berwick and Supervisor of all the buildings and fortifications of that town as also the castle of Warke He was likewise Marshal of Berwick and in 1 Edward VI being Captain of a band of Light horsemen in that army which then inwaded Scotland under the command of the of Somerset he had the misfortune to be taken prisoner with Sir Ralph Bulmer Knight and Robert Crouch whom Hollinshed mentions to be men of right good courage and approved service and at this time disressed by their own too much forwardness and not by the enemies force He was afterwards made Governor of Aymouth fort six miles distant from Berwick also master of the ordnance in that expedition made into Scotland in 2 Elizabeth By his first wife Anne daughter of James Maleverer Esq he had no issue but by his second Barbara daughter to John Baxter Esq he had Thomas his son and heir Henry William and Edward Isabel Jane and Barbara Which Thomas married Mary daughter of Gabriel Fairfax of Steeton in com Ebor Esq and had issue Thomas his son and heir Robert Edward and two daughters His eldest son Thomas Gower of Stittenham was 7 eight weeks old in September 1584 and having been knighted by King James the First was created a Baronet 2 June 1620 18 Jac I He married Anne daughter and heir to John Doyley of Merton in com Oxon Esq and by her who died the 28th of Oétober 1633 and was buried in the church of St Clements Danes had issue Sir Thomas Gower his successor Doyley Gower a Colonel of Dragoons in the service of King Charles the First and other sons.

Sir Thomas Gower was knighted at Whitehall the 24th of 1730 and succeeded his father in his estate and title of Baronet He was a sufferer for his loyalty to King Charles the First having been twice High Sheriff of Yorkshire and attended on the King when he was shut out of Hull and raised a regiment of Dragoons of which his brother before mentioned was Colonel He had two wives Elizabeth daughter of Sir William Howard of Naworth Castle sister to Charles Earl of Carlisle and 2dly Frances daughter and coheir of Sir John Leveson of Haling in Kent and of Lilleshul in com Salop by Frances his wife daughter and heir of Sir Thomas Sondes of Throwley in Kent elder brother of Sir Michael Sondes Bart By which last Lady this Sir Thomas Gower had issue two sons Edward and William ancestor to the present Lord Gower also a daughter Frances

Explanation - meaning of '16th of July 35 Henry VIII' = the thirty fifth year of the reign of King Henry the 8th which calculates as 1544 (1509+35). Likewise '1 Edward VI' equates to 1547. Therefore Sir Thomas Gower Marshal of Berwick must have been born around 1520 at the latest.

This would mean that the Father of Sir Thomas Gower 1st Baronet was NOT Thomas Marshal of Berwick but his son, also called Thomas. Since the 1st Baronet was born about 1584 then IF Thomas Gower (Marshal of Berwick) had been the father then he would been aged at least sixty, unlikly for these times. thew only other explanation would have been if both father and son had been Marshal's of Berwick. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 09:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Thank you for your contribution. A better place to discuss it would be the talk page Talk:Sir Thomas Gower, 1st Baronet. If you can improve the article, you are welcome to edit it directly; but you may need to be cautious in this instance. Wikipedia does not accept original research: you could cite the new information you have discovered, but any kind of argumentation or conclusion is not acceptable in a Wikipedia article, unless it is summarising the argument or conclusion from a single reliably published source; so you would need to get your research published in a peer-reviewed journal, or at least one with a reputation for editorial control, before it could be inserted into the article. Since the claim that Gower was the son of Marshal is cited to Collins, that should not be removed without (at least) another reliable source that disputes it. --ColinFine (talk) 11:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

my article showing Draft in prefix of name[edit]

hi i wrote one article it showing draft in prefix of orticle name — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sweetsuresh777 (talkcontribs) 10:49, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Sweetsuresh777. What you have written is a draft article, Draft:ADHIRAJARAM. It is not yet an article, and if you moved it to article space now, I am not sure it would survive, as it fails in many ways to meet the criteria for an acceptable Wikipedia article. Some of the problems I see are:
  • It has some references, but they are presented as bare URLs, so it is difficult for a reader to evaluate them, and see whether or not they are the reliable independent sources that Wikipedia required. Please ss Referencing for beginners
  • The references are not cited inline, so the reader cannot tell where particular claims come from. This is required especially important in biographies of living persons.
  • The tone is unacceptable in several places: a Wikipedia article must be a neutral summary of what the reliable sources say about a subject. Any kind of advocacy is forbidden. There should be not one word in the article which is evaluative of the subject (either for or against), except in a direct quotation of a reliable source unconnected with the subject.
  • Part of it seems to be notes to yourself about how to write the article. This is fine in a draft, but unacceptable in an article.
  • There are a number of lesser problems with the formatting, such as: don't use all capitals in an article title; don't embolden a whole paragraph; there are more appropriate infoboxes, such as {{infobox politician}}.
I suggest that you read your first article carefully, as well as all the other pages I have linked to above, and start editing your draft to conform to the standards required. (Your draft is a lot better than many people's first attempt, I may say). I have added the AFC draft header to it, so when you think it is ready, you can pick the button to submit it for review.
Good luck! --ColinFine (talk) 11:28, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
  • ColinFine, you are mis-stating the BLP policy with respect to when inline citations are “required”. Check again, looking out for the words “challenged or likely to be challenged”. First versions of articles including BLPs are rarely required to have inline citations, as much as they are desirable. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 12:41, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
My apologies, Sweetsuresh777, I overstated that point; but my other comments still stand. Thanks, SmokeyJoe. --ColinFine (talk) 14:11, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

wikipedia page for organization[edit]

I am belonging to a company and i want to develop a wiki page for the company. Can anyone guide me to develop a page — Preceding unsigned comment added by PriyaRajasekar (talkcontribs) 12:15, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

PriyaRajasekar, post a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles for the article to be created. See also guidance for editors with conflicts of interest, also see WP:Paid editing Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:06, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

i need to add picture[edit]

hi i want to upload image — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:41, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

See here and this policy Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:07, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

AfC reviewing[edit]

How can I review a draft? L293D () 13:33, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Instructions are loctated at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions. --Jayron32 13:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

My organization's name is a link in an article - can't create page[edit]

Dear Help desk experts,

I'm trying to start editing an article about the organization I work for. Unfortunately, when I type in our name in the search bar, it leads me to an article where the organization is mentioned (NOT an article/page about my organization). Since the organization's name doesn't appear as a red link, I am not able to start creating an article about it, which is very frustrating.

The name of my organization is "International Cocoa Initiative (ICI)". The article, in which ICI is mentioned, is this one:

How do I manage to create an article about the organization itself?

Many thanks for your help on how to proceed.

Best, Marta — Preceding unsigned comment added by ICI cocoa (talkcontribs) 14:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

  • The answer is that you should probably not do so. Wikipedia has rather stringent conflict of interest guidelines that discourage people from creating or editing articles about entities they have a close relationship with, such as employers. --Jayron32 14:15, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
And further to the general advice regarding conflict of interest, there are mandatory requirements regarding paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:34, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Kulala page[edit]

Kulala (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dear sir/Man

 I request you to kindly block kulala page.It has information far from truth and pointless.

The first person who created the page was the original one.But after several edits it has become a false page. source citations is also false. Kindly consider my suggestion or please revert the page back to original ,the way original author has written. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roshani kulal (talkcontribs) 15:54, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@Roshani kulal: It seems you have a close connection with the page and have been counselled previously in this respect. The one source currently in the page appears reliable, but if you have suggestions as to changes you wish to see made, please make them at the talk page, where you will need to provide verification for your changes. On another note please do not start a discussion in multiple locations. Thank you. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Eagleash (talk) 16:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@engleash sir I am thankful for your suggestions.I request you who is the superior authority to complain about a particular pages. thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roshani kulal (talkcontribs) 15:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

@Roshani kulal: We are a flat organization. If you can show your complaint shows merit, then we we help you to escalate it. Until then, you're in the only place, to raise your queries, on the editing of a particular article. Aspro (talk) 18:28, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

@aspro thank you c much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roshani kulal (talkcontribs) 16:56, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

VCSSGOC Chairman[edit]

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People silhouettes on globe, earth globe spinning on a maple level, and he created the path and dared to do something for the globe. Earth something innovative in the global platform for the India and for the universe, by selective, & quite impossible to definite possible certainties. No doubt he will be known as a unique view details and outstanding individual in the world. As the hr accounting, whit new theories will be invented by his highness, he is the founder of the VCSSGOC start up and worker of SANSARCHAAYA, Universal Peace Beggar Society, Universal Peace Force, VCSSGOC UNIVERSAL RECOMMENDATION COMMITTEE he is the thinker of CUIIAIFRFTL and CUIICRAPL. He is also the thinker of Recommendation Committee. He is working on 3800 books each translated version more than 100 languages including audio and video books. 11000 research papers, and also 125000 renowned articles on village to global issues parallel. His highness is the chief editor at core India finance & international finance and, economic and auditing journal. Chief editor of the times of united states of India and the universe times etc. And He is handling various assignments in the field of restructuring & rehabilitation of companies, takeover, mergers & acquisitions and business and brand valuation. He has specialized in the fields of accounting & audit, financial & management consulting, business valuations, mergers & acquisitions and business advisory services. And years of leadership experience in government spanning revenue via VCS-SGOC business project development and VCS-SGOC research work voluntarily, law and order via legal library web support system, development work, rural infrastructure, finance, housing & urban development, industries, municipal affairs and relief at VCS-SGOC in a open platform manner. He is associated with the development of cost & management information systems for more than 150 companies ( in implied/expressed manner ) covering more than 45 industries. In addition, he is closely associated with turning around of many large Corporate, focusing on systems improvement with cost reduction approach. He is closely involved with several national level financial institutions. Recommendations of the committee are well received / accepted, being implemented by the concerned agencies. He will be/ is associated with more than 28 high level committees as chairman / member both at national & state level at VCS-SGOC. Restructuring committee of state level PSUS, expert committee on co-op. Credit institutions, fiscal reforms implementation committee at VCS-SGOC. He will be/is also associated with the development of cost accounting record rules for many industries as a future member of informal advisory committee, determent Of corporate affairs, Government Of India. His efforts in the furtherance of costing & management accounting profession in India were recognized by the institute of cost & works accountants of India (ICWAI), ICAI, ICSI

. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Universalpublicauthority (talkcontribs) 17:40, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Lua stuff, where do I find the code?[edit]

I'm used to following template chains, but how do I look up Lua code? For instance, Template:Chart states: "{{#invoke:TreeChart|main}}". Where do I find this TreeChart code? Thanks! :) Banaticus (talk) 18:07, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Never mind, found it at Module:TreeChart. Banaticus (talk) 18:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Revolutionary Left[edit]

Is it possible that the article I created and submitted last year has been forgotten? It is Draft:Revolutionary Left. It was turned down for copyright infringement but that was rectified and then it was resubmitted and now nothing for two months. I know there is a backlog but all the articles submitted on the same day appear to be dealt with.Vahvistus (talk) 18:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@Vahvistus: There is a current backlog of up to two months. The page appears to have ben re-submitted at the beginning of January so may still be in the system. There is a note that it has been submitted a second time but the familiar 'awaiting review' notice is missing. Has it, in fact, submitted correctly? Also there is no chronological order in the review process. Eagleash (talk) 21:02, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
@Eagleash: My first draft contained a copyright violation which then had to be removed from the history before I could continue editing. When that happened I clicked resubmit but the copyright violation template dominates everything, the note that says it has been cleaned does not stand out. I am concerned that this is putting off editors when the article is safe with numerous msm references.Vahvistus (talk) 21:14, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
My mistake; I was convinced the notice was missing but it is there. You'll just have to be patient. Eagleash (talk) 21:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

I need help fixing an incorrect usage of Template:Refn[edit]

Hi! I just added a Refn tag to Naagin (TV series) in this edit. In place of the reference/note combination that I intended to add, I now get this error. If someone can help me figure out what I did wrong and how I can fix it, that would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:29, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@Noah Kastin: Fixed by adding 1= to the {{Refn}} call. The problem and its solution is explained in the first bullet point at Help:Template#Usage hints and workarounds. -- John of Reading (talk) 18:36, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
@John of Reading: Thank you for fixing the problem, and for letting me know how to avoid it in the future! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 18:39, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Bobby houston partick thistle[edit]

Inducted in to hall of fame same night as Doug Somner but does not appear on the list of inductees — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:32, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Please provide links to articles you wish to discuss. If a reliable source is available you are free to add him to the list. Thank you. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Eagleash (talk) 21:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Looks like Template:Partick Thistle F.C. Hall of Fame Naraht (talk) 21:24, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Actually in the main article for Partick Thistle F.C.. I added a ref to the hall of fame on the team's website and added Bobby Houston. The original editor (or someone else) can add the other people on that reference page.Naraht (talk) 21:36, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Adjust infobox width[edit]

Hello, how can I adapt the width of Template:History of the British Isles to that of Template:History of England?--Boczi (talk) 20:56, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@Boczi: When I look at e.g. England in the Late Middle Ages, the two templates have exactly the same width. (Setting the thumb File:Rivers & Caxton Presenting book to Edward IV.JPG to a width of ~260px would make it line-up nicely give or take a pixel.) Sam Sailor 12:12, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
@Sam Sailor: Thanks for posting! However, I'm sorry to say that with me, they do not have exactly the same width: Template:History of the British Isles is wider than Template:History of England, in fact, and this can be seen well exactly in the article you refer to.--Boczi (talk) 12:59, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
@Boczi: Hmm, with the Vector skin loaded, they line up nicely, but they don't with Monobook. Which skin are you using? Sam Sailor 13:11, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Classic vector (without the 2014 typo refreshment)!--Boczi (talk) 13:20, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
I just tried in Firefox and IE (Edge) as well as Chrome, and the result is still good on a PC. Perhaps posting at WP:VPT will give you more qualified response. :-) Best, Sam Sailor 13:28, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


I c annot load games — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:58, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

We don't have games.
If you were talking about games on some other platform, outside of this site, then you'll want to try the computing reference desk. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:04, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

microsoft academic template[edit]

Over the years I have published numerous articles on academics and linked through to Microsoft Academic Search using Template:AcademicSearch. This link is no longer working. Is there a template I can use for the rebranded Microsoft Academic? For example: See Peter Mitchell Grant - Peter Grant on Microsoft Academic. Thanks.Gomach (talk) 21:03, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

I updated the template to use Microsoft Academic. However all IDs changed and all articles that use it need an update. Ruslik_Zero 20:08, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
@Ruslik0: Excellent, thank you very much. I have started updating the articles I created.Gomach (talk) 21:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

I can't thank anyone[edit]

Hi! My thank button is missing. Does anyone know why? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 21:39, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

There's an ongoing issue and the function has been temporarily disabled. nagualdesign 21:45, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
@Nagualdesign: Thank you for letting me know! I've weighed in on the issue at the link that you gave me. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:03, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
With technical issues like this it's probably for the best to just leave them to it. nagualdesign 22:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
@Nagualdesign: Agreed. There's nothing that I can do, plus I have no technical expertise at the level required, so even if I could do something about this, I'd probably be better off avoiding it. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:10, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
@Noah Kastin: The Thanks system is working again now. nagualdesign 23:29, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
@Nagualdesign: Thank you for letting me know! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

February 21[edit]

Anonymous account repeatedly removing relevant cited information[edit]

Hi, this account [8] is persistently removing relevant and accurate cited information from two related articles. I'm not sure how or where to report this or how to warn the user with an official warning. Can someone help out? Thanks! GreyGoose (talk) 04:34, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi GreyGoose, I have warmed the IP. Now since they have done it four times, if they do it again, you can report them to WP:AIV NZFC(talk) 06:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks very much, NZFC! GreyGoose (talk) 06:42, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

No talk page for article Six Segment Analysis[edit]

The article, Six Segment Analysis does not appear to have an active talk page. The article is tagged with a "multiple issues" template, and invites editors to discuss the issues on the talk page, but the talk page is red-linked because the talk page is not active. Can this problem be resolved? Thanks. BronHiggs (talk) 05:51, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

The problem can be solved very easily. Click on the red link Talk:Six Segment Analysis and start typing your suggestions for improvements to the article. Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Rojomoke (talk) 06:00, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


hey I am sameer and i am a usual reader of your page. I want to write a bigraphy of some one how can i do that — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sameer Rajput (talkcontribs) 12:59, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. I'll include a welcome link on your user talk page with some useful links. Writing a new article is difficult, and we recommend that you get experience in editing existing pages before you try that; there is advice at WP:Your first article. Biographies are written only for people who are deemed notable under Wikipedia's definition, see WP:BIO. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:29, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Subject Deleted[edit]

21 feb 2018 canada

Hi this is swanny, 14 days ago i put up a article on David Camelot who is a musician with a 2nd newly released CD on itunes and spotify Face To Face who opened for the band Doug and the Slugs in RD in 2000 and was a close friend of musician Billie K. Hughes 1948-1998 and whose brother won an Emmy for his video work in 2017. I was subsequently taking down, like other articles i have tried to post with no reason or justification given. It thus pains me to make donations $ to the site when my articles are disregarded on the info and facts i am most expert on above all others.

thanks David Camelot aka swanny formerly ed jonas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swanny (talkcontribs) 16:38, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

@Swanny: A lot of the problem is that you've made a few incorrect assumptions about Wikipedia.
1) Don't write articles about yourself or anything you're financially affiliated with. See WP:COI for more information.
2) Don't use Wikipedia for advertising or promotion. See WP:NOTPROMO. This includes using iTunes as a source, see WP:REFSPAM.
3) When you write articles, make sure you cite at least three professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are independent of the subject but still specifically about it.
Ian.thomson (talk) 16:42, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Please Write A Real Information.. delete the Fake info of Rakeshprasad[edit]

Dear Wikipedia,

I tried helping you from getting your name defamed on this wrong information and write up about Ajendraprasadji, Acharya of Vadtal and Court judgement as well of not removing him , and your statement that Rakeshprasad is 9th acharya which is again very much wrong...

More than 1000000 Devotees across this earth are getting wrong information because of you...Your team has not cross verified these wrong contents before uploading...Also, as your supporter I wrote many things which are totally true then your team is blocking me..It's funny. Read my all messages in various form...You will come to know facts.

Also when I edited on Rakeshprasad page,  'Lynx' warned me...As if I am culprit.

Infact your Wikipedia team is faulty and culprit on publishing the wrong misleading write up..Information.

Best wishes — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:205:C80E:51AE:0:0:18BE:30A0 (talk) 16:58, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Editing a map[edit]

On the Clarendon Hills, Illinois map and page, one of the parks is missing. I do not know how to edit a map. It is the whole area between Colfax Avenue and Park Avenues. Its called Park Avenue Park. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:30, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Would like to see deleted material[edit]

Maybe I could learn what not to do. Maybe rhere’s another way to do it. @Diannaa: has not replied. This deals with the latest changes to Monument and memorial controversies in the United States. Thanks. deisenbe (talk) 17:32, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

  • It is exceedingly rare to have a legitimate reason to see WP:REVDEL'ed edits, but even more so here, where the only lesson to take is "do not copy-paste into Wikipedia, that is a copyright violation". Going by the edit summaries (e.g. just before this revision), text had been copied in violation of copyright from a couple of places into the article. If you are confused about why so many revisions are unavailable, that is because every revision between the introduction and the removal of the copyvio needs to be revdel'd, even if the intermediate edits were legitimate. TigraanClick here to contact me 19:11, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
The material I removed was copy-pasted from the various sources that I listed for you on my user talk page. It's not okay to copy prose from copyright web pages. Everything you add to Wikipedia needs to be written in your own words. Please have a look at Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright for a simplified guide to how copyright law applies to Wikipedia editing. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 23:59, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Lists of school massacres[edit]

Please review your lists of US school massacres. Some list the names of attackers which only makes them famous which is not appropriate. Other lists indicate the "fate of the perpetr ator" which is much more appropriate. Sharron Lee — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:9C80:56E3:4D32:9D93:BD97:CEFE (talk) 18:57, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Discussions about article content should occur on an article talk page. In this case, I think you want Talk:List of school massacres by death toll. --Jayron32 19:01, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Wikipedia reports on information found in reliable sources. It reports all relevant facts in a neutral manner (or should do) and names of perpetrators would not be included without a good source. I.e. the information is readily available/easily found in multiple other sources. Readers seeking information in respect of the incidents are quite likey to want to know the names of those responsible. It is unlikely that inclusion in an online encyclopedia is going to add to anyone's standing (good or bad). Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Eagleash (talk) 19:07, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
I too thought that might be a possibility. Eagleash (talk) 19:36, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Geolocate puts the IPv4 of the first and the IPv6 of the second on different coasts (Washington State vs. North Carolina)Naraht (talk) 21:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Rendering problem[edit]

Would someone who knows who to notify, please notify him or her that this page:

does not render properly on Safari in iOS (the operating system for iPhones and iPads), both up to date. The "Ask a question" is unusable. I know how to add a new section at the bottom, but less experienced editors might not. The present page works fine. deisenbe (talk) 20:27, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Uploading pdf files[edit]

Hello: I'm editing a Wikipedia page (American Capital) which is currently posted. There are some documents that need to be attached as reference/citations. Since this company is a financial services company, many of the documents that need to be attached are pdfs of SEC filings (publicly available; no confidential information contained). I'm having trouble uploading so that it matches with the references/footnotes to yet be inserted on the pages. I've tried using the manual citation and uploading media file, but since the pdfs are not "pictures or photographs", I've received rejection notices. Can anyone provide steps on how to attach pdf files which are public information documents? Thanks.Psenda2018 (talk) 20:42, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Those really aren't appropriate sources. The article needs professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are independent of the subject but still specifically about it. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:46, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
I've nominated the article for deletion. @Psenda2018: Are you an employee of American Capital or Ares Management? Ian.thomson (talk) 20:56, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
It is almost never appropriate to upload documents as references, Psenda2018. They are often unacceptable for copyright reasons, but even in that can be got round, their provenance is unknown (even if they purport to be official documents from some agency, there's no way of knowing whether they have been altered on the way). We require all references to be reliably published. --ColinFine (talk) 21:02, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Without prejudice of what will happen to the article... Notice that if those PDF are available from the SEC, they will probably have a reference of some sort (at best, a link to the SEC website, at worse, something such as "Filing XYZ/ABC from FooCorp, received at date D"). It is very rarely appropriate to actually upload the contents of a reference to Wikipedia; you should cite it instead. TigraanClick here to contact me 17:26, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Possible to change username / identity shown on Wikipedia?[edit]

If possible, i was wondering if it is possible to change my user name to something that is not personal; my current username is my actual name which for obvious reasons would prefer not to disclose. I made this account just under 5 years ago so with a history i have built up using this account prevents me from wanting to make another one.

I hope this is possible

Many thanks

Dean— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dean_Frankling (talkcontribs)

See WP:UNC and WP:RENAME. Also, please sign your posts (outside of articles) with four tildes (~~~~). Ian.thomson (talk) 20:59, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


How do you create a post? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nate the gamer 24 (talkcontribs) 22:40, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

You just did.S Philbrick(Talk) 23:28, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). nagualdesign 00:03, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
It may be that the OP was asking about article creation. I have left usual welcome links at their TP. Eagleash (talk) 11:33, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

table help[edit]

In the table at Mass shootings in the United States#Deadliest shootings, if you sort the table you get a phantom blank line appearing. This is caused because they used rowspan=5 for a 4 item list at those tied for 14th deadliest. But changing that to 4 doesn't seem to allow you to add color to only one line. At least I couldn't find a way that worked. Rmhermen (talk) 22:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Fixed it by colouring each cell separately, though I expect there's a better solution. nagualdesign 23:16, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
..Actually, my 'fix' causes other minor problems. nagualdesign 23:19, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

February 22[edit]

Submitting for peer review[edit]

Hi, I am a new editor on wikipedia and am trying to submit a draft for peer review. However whenever I try and add "subst:PR" on the article's talk page I get the immensely confusing error "This template should be substituted on the article talk page." Neonrights (talk) 00:09, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

@Neonrights: That template is for peer-reviewing articles in main space, apparently, not draft space.
I assume you're referring to Draft:Paraphrase (Computational Linguistics). That's already been submitted for reviewer review, which amounts to the same thing. All you need to do is wait. I'll give it a look right now in fact. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:28, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
I just accepted it. L293D () 02:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
@Neonrights:. When next you write another draft you should use {{Subst:Submit}} inside the article not at talkpage. It will be sent for review. –Ammarpad (talk) 10:33, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Ok, I will keep that in mind for my next draft. Thanks for the help! Neonrights (talk) 19:55, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

common name of caplinski[edit]

find caplinski relatives75.186.7.42 (talk) 02:38, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

This is the WIkipedia Help Desk for helping people to use Wikipedia itself. Do you have a question about doing this? If you are seeking factual information you should instead post a clear question on the Wikipedia Reference Desk, as instructed (and linked) at the top of this page.
If it helps, my cursory search suggests that the spelling "Caplinski" is rare: you might find more results with "Kaplinsky" and "Chaplinski" (or "–sky" in both cases). {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 15:20, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Voting for an Article’s Deletion[edit]

Hi, thanks for fielding my question. I am contributing to an article that was nominated for deletion. Votes are being cast and I want to vote. Can you guide me to where I can learn how, or provide instructions. Thanks ev (talk) 02:41, 22 February 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajahnbrahm1401 (talkcontribs) 02:39, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

@Ajahnbrahm1401: The best place to probably start would be Contributing to AfD discussions let me know if you have any more questions. TheDoctorWho (talk) 02:47, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Ajahnbrahm1401—Are you referring to the article titled Emma Gonzalez? I think the discussion you refer to is taking place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emma Gonzalez. Bus stop (talk) 02:50, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Yes, and I successfully voted to KEEP the article. I think too! Thanks to you both for your assistance. I thought I needed some sort of certification to vote. Ah, freedom! ev (talk) 03:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
For clarification, as explained at Contributing to AfD discussions, it is not a "vote" as such. You will sometimes see users referring to "!vote". What matters is not the "number" of responses on each side but the extent to which the arguments are based on Wikipedia policy. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:40, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • By the way, Ajahnbrahm1401... What you just wrote (I successfully voted to KEEP the article. I think you should too!) is IMO against the Wikipedia policy outlined at WP:CANVASS. In that case it is not a big deal, but keep it in mind next time you want to invite people a Wikipedia discussion in which you are involved. TigraanClick here to contact me 17:20, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Tigraan Following your same exact logic, which is pretentious and hypocritical at least, you opining on me opining is also a violation of policy. Is it your opinion that opinions do not exist on Wikipedia? Use of “IMO” doesn’t make it any better. Listen, I’ll leave it at this: I’m offended that you think you can control someone’s opinion and suppress my ability to use this site by referencing policy alone. Feel free to report me if you feel that is appropriate. I will still have opinions, and you will still have an opinion about said opinions. The purpose of AfD discussions is solely to bring them up. ev (talk) 00:13, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
@Ajahnbrahm1401: I suspect you did not read WP:CANVASS. Tigraan is not referring to expressing your opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emma Gonzalez but to asking editors on another page to vote keep. This is against WP:CANVASS which says: "When notifying other editors of discussions, ... keep the message text neutral". PrimeHunter (talk) 01:40, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
PrimeHunter why do you suspect that? And please keep your answer within policy. Respectfully, ev (talk) 01:48, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
@Ajahnbrahm1401: I got the impression you incorrectly thought Tigraan was objecting to your opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emma Gonzalez, and if you had read WP:CANVASS then it would be hard to make that misunderstanding. But maybe you actually disagree that saying "I successfully voted to KEEP the article. I think you should too!" is against WP:CANVASS. It seems clear to me that asking people to vote keep is against "keep the message text neutral". You are an inexperienced editor and not expected to know all policies and guidelines. I think Tigraan said it politely and there was no reason for your impolite reply. It can actually harm your side in a deletion debate if others in the debate discover you have canvassed, so politely pointing out that Wikipedia disallows canvassing (without alerting the others in the debate to it) is a way to help you. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: I changed it. Cogito ergo sum. ev (talk) 02:23, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


I stand by my edit of the YMCA and so will the ACLU — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:05, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Your edit was usnourced and demonstrated a point of view. It therefore cannot be included in the encyclopedia. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Eagleash (talk) 14:29, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
It was worse. The edit falsified quotes from the subject to make them look bad. This is totally unacceptable for any subject no matter what you think of them. I don't think the ACLU would support it. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:09, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

How do I start a page about a person[edit]


How would I go about starting a new page about a person — Preceding unsigned comment added by Killah Threat (talkcontribs) 15:00, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Hey Killah Threat. You should probably start by reviewing our tutorial on writing your first article, and if you feel that the individual meets our notability standards for biographies, (which usually requires sustained in-depth coverage in published sources like magazines, newspapers, and books) you can start an article using the Article Wizard and submit it for our Articles for Creation project. There it can be reviewed by an experienced volunteer who can offer feedback prior to publishing. GMGtalk 15:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

List of best- selling albums by year in the United States[edit]

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Goodmorning the site List of best- selling albums by year in the United States of you is not correct because I miss Elvis in the list

Elvis has many records to his name. For example 165 songs in the American charts while the nr 2, James Brown, only has 107. When it comes to albums he scores another record with Elvis 30 # 1 Hits in 2002, that of the longest period between his first and his last album top rankings, namely 46 years. According to Billboard's classification system, Elvis has made the most number 1 hits and the most successful albums, making him the most successful artist of all time.

Anja Goedhart — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:36, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Without going into it in any great detail, perhaps Elvis, despite selling huge amounts of records did not actually have the best-selling album in any one year. The article appears well-referenced. If you have reliably sourced information that states he did do so please feel free to edit the article appropriately (citing your sources... see WP:REFB) or you can propose changes on the article talk page. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 17:02, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Indeed; note the absence of other 60s megastars like the Beatles and the Beach Boys in that list. While Elvis was extremely successful, prior to the CD era the biggest-selling album in any given year was almost always the soundtrack to a popular Broadway show, as they had consistent sales over the entire year rather than a brief spike in the month of release. ‑ Iridescent 17:07, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank yoi Shela. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:12, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Creating a page for a nonprofit[edit]


I am trying to create a Wikipedia page for a nonprofit called Jails to Jobs. I did this before and it got deleted for copyright issues. I talked to the founder of the nonprofit and he wants to send approval/ copyright rights to Wikipedia for a few specific paragraphs that are used from this webpage and an amazon page (both created by him). He wants to sure that he is only donating those specific paragraphs, and not the whole website content and books content.

Meanwhile, I found the "Donating Copyright Material" Wikipedia page. I used the template provided (Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries) to have him send an email (from a viable, Jails to Jobs email), and I placed

on the article's talk page. However, the Wikipedia page still got deleted and the account I used got deactivated indefinitely.

Can someone help me understand how to do this correctly? We own the information and are happy to donate specific parts of the webpage to be used on Wikipedia. We have not had luck trying to do this due to copyright issues (which I guess is good... thanks for protecting our website info, Wikipedia), but would really like to get a Wikipedia page up and running.

Help please!

Sarah — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarahrose94 (talkcontribs)

I'd suggest rewriting it in your own words - it shouldn't take that much time and will avoid copyright issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)
Hello, Sarah. I haven't found the deletion record for the article (I don't know what it was called, or what you username was) but I would guess that there is a good chance that it wasn't deleted just for copyright issues. Even if you manage to sort those out, I struggle to think of anything from an organisation's website which would be appropriate in a Wikipedia article about it - maybe some images, but little else. I suspect that you have a very common misconception, that it is in any way appropriate for you to create a Wikipedia article about your organisation (a misconception inherent in your choice of words: "create a Wikipedia page for" rather than "create a Wikipedia article about"). If we have an article about Jails to Jobs, it will not belong to the organisation or to you, you will have no control over its content, you will be strongly discouraged from editing it, and very little of its content should come from the organisation or its associates: almost the whole article should be based on, and referenced to, what people who have no connection with the organisation have chosen to publish about it in reliable places such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers. Please see CORP, NPOV, PROMOTION and COI. --ColinFine (talk) 21:14, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Chinese govt pushing SPA[edit]

I have found an account (multiple IPs) that appear to be a WP:SPA pushing the views of the Chinese govt. He has repeatedly removed reliable and valid information on things that do not alight with the views of the Chinese govt. This does not line up with Wikipedia's core values of creating an encyclopedia and neutral point of view. How should I report him / ensure his disruptive editing doesn't harm the encyclopedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:27, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

You mean Special:Contributions/ Ruslik_Zero 20:36, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
No, different user, dynamicIP
The user is — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello, IP user. WP:ANI is probably the best place to take this. --ColinFine (talk) 21:18, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

univ seminar assignment to edit/update a Wiki page[edit]

Our final group assignment, in a univ seminar this semester, is for students to collaborate on updating and significantly enhancing a Wiki page on a particular/recent scholar. Apart from having all of the students create an account and learn to use the editor properly, I'm wondering if there's any good advice here for ways to go about doing this--for example, we're developing our own in-house method for ensuring accuracy and editorial uniformity concerning structure/headings and content rather than just turning them all lose on the Wiki page, but sooner or later there will be a variety of editors tackling revisions to the page over the course of several weeks.Rtmccutch (talk) 20:25, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Question is answered at the teahouse. please dont post the same question in more than one place RudolfRed (talk) 21:00, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Add image to Page[edit]


I'm the original illustrator for images used by the Gopher (protocol) development team ( The Gopher developers asked me to post the original GopherCon shirt image. I'd like to do that, but even though I've had my Wikipedia account for some years and have done many edits (over 10), it's telling me I'm not yet confirmed, which would let me upload the image to the page.

What's my next step? Wiki-helperella (talk) 22:22, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

@Wiki-helperella: Hello, although your account was apparently created in April 2014, your contributions here show that you have only made seven edits to date (in just the last week). Have you edited from another account or whilst 'logged out'? A few more edits would see you autoconfirmed or in the meantime there's WP:FFU. Eagleash (talk) 22:59, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello, Wiki-helperella. Are you intending to license the picture under CC-BY-SA or compatible? If so, please upload it to Wikimedia Commons, so that any Wikipedia (or other Wikimedia project) can use it. I don't believe there's an autoconfirmation requirement at Commons. If you're not planning to license it in that way, then you can upload it to Wikipedia, but only if its use meets all of the non-free content criteria. --ColinFine (talk) 23:16, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Baker House[edit]

My new edit is ready in my sandbox. How to make an article of it? This is my first edit in - I write in fi.wikipedia. --Weird1e (talk) 02:40, 23 February 2018 (UTC)