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Requested moves is a process for requesting the retitling (moving) of an article, template, or project page on Wikipedia. (For retitling files, categories and other items, see When not to use this page.)

Please read the article titling policy and the guideline regarding primary topics before moving a page or requesting a page move.

Any autoconfirmed user can use the Move function to perform most moves (see Help:How to move a page). If you have no reason to expect a dispute concerning a move, be bold and move the page. However, it may not always be possible or desirable to do this:

  • Technical reasons may prevent a move: a page may already exist at the target title and require deletion, or the page may be protected from moves. See: § Requesting technical moves.
  • Requests to revert recent, undiscussed, controversial moves may be made at WP:RM/TR. If the new name has not become the stable title, the undiscussed move will be reverted. If the new name has become the stable title, a requested move will be needed to determine the article's proper location.
  • A title may be disputed, and discussion may be necessary to reach consensus: see § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. The requested moves process is not mandatory, and sometimes an informal discussion at the article's talk page can help reach consensus.
  • Unregistered users and new (not yet autoconfirmed) users are unable to move pages.

Requests are generally processed after seven days. If consensus is reached at or after this time, a reviewer will enact the request. If not, the request may be re-listed to allow more time for consensus to develop, or the discussion closed as "no consensus". See Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions for more details on the process.

Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a move request as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of the move discussion to determine whether or not the contested close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines.

When not to use this page

Separate processes exist for moving certain types of pages, and for changes other than page moves:

Undiscussed moves

Autoconfirmed editors may move a page without discussion if all of the following apply:

  • No article exists at the new target title;
  • There has been no discussion (especially no recent discussion) about the title of the page that expressed any objection to a new title; and
  • It seems unlikely that anyone would reasonably disagree with the move.

If you disagree with such a move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move. If you cannot revert the move for technical reasons, then you may request a technical move.

Move wars are disruptive, so if you make a bold move and it is reverted, do not make the move again. Instead, follow the procedures laid out in § Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves.

Requesting technical moves

If you are unable to complete a move for technical reasons, you can request technical help below. This is the correct page if you tried to move a page, and you got an error message saying something like "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reasons:".

  • To list a technical request: edit the Uncontroversial technical requests subsection and insert the following code at the top of the list, filling in pages and reason:
    {{subst:RMassist|current page title|new page title|reason=reason for move}}
    This will automatically insert a bullet and include your signature. Please do not edit the article's talk page.
  • If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, and sign with ~~~~. Consider pinging the requester to let them know about the objection.
  • If your technical request is contested, or if a contested request is left untouched without reply, create a requested move on the article talk and remove the request from the section here. The fastest and easiest way is to click the "discuss" button at the request, save the talk page, and remove the entry on this page.

Technical requests

Uncontroversial technical requests

Administrator needed

Contested technical requests

  • Nightbirde  Jane Marczewski (redirect to Nightbirde) (move · discuss) – Page is titled under the performers stage name, not under their real name. Cannot move the article to this title, because get message claiming the article's new title already exists. I checked for an article via someone's stage name  – "Tape Face"  – and found it redirects to the article of that person under their real name (Sam WillsGUtt01 (talk) 10:20, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Requests to revert undiscussed moves

Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves

The discussion process is used for potentially controversial moves. A move is potentially controversial if either of the following applies:

  • there has been any past debate about the best title for the page;
  • someone could reasonably disagree with the move.

Use this process if there is any reason to believe a move would be contested. For technical move requests, such as to correct obvious typographical errors, see Requesting technical moves. The technical moves procedure can also be used for uncontroversial moves when the requested title is occupied by an existing article.

Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative. Multiple closed move requests may be on the same page, but each should have a unique section heading.

Do not create a move request to rename one or more redirects. Redirects cannot be used as current titles in requested moves.

Requesting a single page move

To request a single page move, click on the "New section" tab of the talk page of the article you want moved, without adding a new subject/header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move|NewName|reason=Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

Replace NewName with the requested new name of the page (or with a simple question mark, if you want more than one possible new name to be considered). The template will automatically create the heading "Requested move 23 July 2021" and sign the post for you.

There is no need to edit the article in question. Once the above code is added to the Talk page, a bot will automatically add the following notification at the top of the article:

Note: Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as Requests for comment, nominations need not be neutral. Make your point as best you can; use evidence (such as Google Ngrams and pageview statistics) and refer to applicable policies and guidelines, especially our article titling policy and the guideline on disambiguation and primary topics.

WikiProjects may subscribe to Article alerts to receive RM notifications. For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Article alerts/Requested moves is transcluded to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography. RMCD bot notifies many of the other Wikiprojects listed on the talk page of the article to be moved to invite project members to participate in the RM discussion. Requesters should feel free to notify any other Wikiproject or noticeboard that might be interested in the move request, as long as this notification is neutral.

Single page move on a different talk page

Occasionally, a move request must be made on a talk page other than the talk page of the page to be moved. For example, a request to rename Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources to Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing and templates would need to take place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation because the talk page of the project page to be moved, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Resources, is a redirect to that centralized discussion page. In this type of case, the requested move should be made using the following code:

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

Note that the |1= unnamed parameter is not used, and that the |current1= and |new1= parameters are used similar to multiple page moves described below.

Requesting multiple page moves

A single template may be used to request multiple related moves. On one of the talk pages of the affected articles, create a request and format it as below. A sample request for three page moves is shown here (for two page moves, omit the lines for current3 and new3). For four page moves, add lines for current4 and new4, and so on. There is no technical limit on the number of multiple move requests, but before requesting very large multi-moves, consider whether a naming convention should be changed first. Discuss that change on the talk page for the naming convention, e.g., Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (sportspeople).

To request a multiple page move, edit at the bottom of the talk page of the article you chose for your request, without adding a new header, inserting this code:

{{subst:requested move
| current1 = Current title of page 1
| new1 = New title for page 1 with the talk page hosting this discussion
| current2 = Current title of page 2
| new2 = New title for page 2
| current3 = Current title of page 3
| new3 = New title for page 3
| reason = Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically.}}

For example, to propose moving the articles Wikipedia and Wiki, put this template on Talk:Wikipedia, and replace current2 with Wiki. The discussion for all affected articles is held on the talk page of the article at page 1 (Talk:Wikipedia). Do not sign a request with ~~~~ as the template does this automatically. Do not skip pairs of numbers.

RMCD bot automatically places a notice section on the talk page of the additional pages that are included in your request, advising that the move discussion is in progress, where it is, and that all discussion for all pages included in the request should take place at that one location.

Occasionally the discussions for significant multi-move requests may be hosted on WikiProject talk pages or other pages in Project namespace. For multi-move discussions hosted on a page which is not itself proposed to be moved, specify |current1=Current title of page 1 for the first page to move.

Request all associated moves explicitly

Please list every move that you wish to have made in your request. For example, if you wish to move Cricket (disambiguation) to Cricket because you do not believe the sport is the primary topic for the search term "Cricket", then you actually want to move two pages, both Cricket (disambiguation) and Cricket. Thus you must list proposed titles for each page affected by your request. For example, you might propose:

If a new title is not proposed for the sport, it is more difficult to achieve consensus for a new title for that article. A move request that does not show what to do with the material at its proposed target, such as:

is incomplete. Such requests may be completed as a request to decide the best new title by discussion.

Template usage examples and notes
Talk page tag Text that will be shown (and usage notes)
{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why}}
links talk edit
Requested move 23 July 2021

Wikipedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 15:37, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is given.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|?|reason=why}}
Requested move 23 July 2021

Wikipedia:Requested moves → ? – why Example (talk) 15:37, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Use when the proposed new title is not known.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:.
This tag should be placed at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.

{{subst:Requested move|new|reason=why|talk=yes}}
Requested move 23 July 2021

Wikipedia:Requested movesNew – why Example (talk) 15:37, 23 July 2021‎ (UTC)

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this subsection with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.
Any additional comments:

This template adds subsections for survey and discussion.
Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted. Be sure to use the subst:
Click the "New Section" tab on the talk page and leave the Subject/headline blank, as the template by default automatically creates the heading.

{{subst:Requested move|new1=x|current2=y|new2=z|reason=why}}
Requested move 23 July 2021

– why Example (talk) 15:37, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Do not sign this template—this tag is auto-signed when substituted.
Be sure to use the subst: and place this tag at the beginning of the section containing the relevant discussion.
Add additional related move requests in pairs (|current3= and |new3=, |current4= and |new4=, etc.).

{{subst:Requested move|new1=?|current2=y|new2=?|reason=why}}
Requested move 23 July 2021

– why Example (talk) 15:37, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Commenting on a requested move

All editors are welcome to contribute to the discussion regarding a requested page move. There are a number of standards that Wikipedians should practice in such discussions:

  • When editors recommend a course of action, they write Support or Oppose in bold text, which is done by surrounding the word with three single quotes on each side, e.g. '''Support'''.
  • Comments or recommendations are added on a new bulleted line (that is, starting with *) and signed by adding ~~~~ to the end. Responses to another editor are threaded and indented using multiple bullets.
  • The article itself should be reviewed before any recommendation is made; do not base recommendations solely on the information supplied by other editors. It may also help to look at the article's edit history. However, please read the earlier comments and recommendations, as well as prior move requests. They may contain relevant arguments and useful information.
  • Vested interests in the article should be disclosed per Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI.

When participating, please consider the following:

  • Editors should make themselves familiar with the article titling policy at Wikipedia:Article titles.
  • Other important guidelines that set forth community norms for article titles include Wikipedia:Disambiguation, specific naming conventions, and the manual of style.
  • The debate is not a vote; please do not make recommendations that are not sustained by arguments.
  • Explain how the proposed article title meets or contravenes policy and guidelines rather than merely stating that it does so.
  • Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line.[a]
  • Do not make conflicting recommendations. If you change your mind, use strike-through to retract your previous statement by enclosing it between <s> and </s> after the bullets, and de-bold the struck words, as in "• Support Oppose".

Please remember that reasonable editors will sometimes disagree, but that arguments based in policy, guidelines, and evidence have more weight than unsupported statements. When an editor offers an argument that does not explain how the move request is consistent with policies and guidelines, a reminder to engage in constructive, on-topic discussion may be useful. On the other hand, a pattern of responding to requests with groundless opinion, proof by assertion, and ignoring content guidelines may become disruptive. If a pattern of disruptive behavior persists after efforts are made to correct the situation through dialogue, please consider using a dispute resolution process.

Closing a requested move

Any uninvolved editor in good standing may close a move request. Please read the closing instructions for information on how to close a move request. The Simple guide to closing RM discussions details how to actually close a requested move discussion.

Relisting a requested move

Relisting a discussion moves the request out of the backlog up to the current day in order to encourage further input. The decision to relist a discussion is best left to uninvolved experienced editors upon considering, but declining, to close the discussion. In general, discussions should not be relisted more than once before properly closing.[b] Users relisting a debate which has already been relisted, or relisting a debate with a substantial discussion, should write a short explanation on why they did not consider the debate sufficient to close. While there is no consensus forbidding participation in a requested move discussion after relisting it, many editors consider it an inadvisable form of supervote. If you want to relist a discussion and then participate in it, be prepared to explain why you think it was appropriate.

Relisting can be done using {{subst:relisting}}, which automatically includes the relister's signature, and which must be placed at the very end of the initial request after the move requester's signature (and subsequent relisters' signatures). When a discussion has been relisted a bot partially underlines the "Discuss" link in the lists of debates: (Discuss).

When a relisted discussion reaches a resolution, it may be closed at any time according to the closing instructions; there is no required length of time to wait before closing a relisted discussion.

If discussion has become stale, or it seems that discussion would benefit from more input of editors versed in the subject area, consider more widely publicizing the discussion, such as by notifying WikiProjects of the discussion using the template {{RM notification}}. Banners placed at the top of the talk page hosting the move request can often be used to identify WikiProjects suitable for notification.


  1. ^ A nominator making a procedural nomination with which they may not agree is free to add a bulleted line explaining their actual position. Additional detail, such as sources, may also be provided in an additional bullet point if its inclusion in the nomination statement would make the statement unwieldy. Please remember that the entire nomination statement is transcluded into the list on this page.
  2. ^ Despite this, discussions are occasionally relisted more than once.

Current discussions

This section lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

This list is also available in a page-link-first format and in table format. 22 discussions have been relisted, indicated by (Discuss)

July 23, 2021

  • (Discuss)Judea (Roman province)Judaea (Roman province) – Was moved from the proposed to the current title in March 2012 with the rationale, "These are the same word, and it is no more than an editorial gimmick to spell them differently; the disambiguating "Roman province" suffices to mark the distinction". But "Judaea" is the original spelling of the province's name (ignoring the difference between 'i' and 'j'), and there is a precedent for this with Sicilia (Roman province) (not Sicily Roman province). A google scholar search shows "Judea" referring to the region broadly (or even the Jewish nation itself), whereas the results for "Judaea" are overwhelmingly about the province or other Roman-related stuff. There's also this discussion above, before the page was moved, which showed a preference for Judaea/Iudaea in modern sources, with little or no awareness of "Judea" for the province specifically. Avilich (talk) 14:32, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)1957–1958 influenza pandemic1957 influenza pandemic – Date range not directly supported by cited references without original research. Only a minority of cited references use a date range in their titles, and they do not agree whether the start was 1956 or 1957 and whether the end was 1958 or 1959. The majority of the refs use just one year, and the majority of them use 1957, so that is the WP:COMMONNAME that we should use in preference to a made up name. See also: [1] [2] [3] Dhaluza Dhaluza (talk) 11:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC) Dhaluza (talk) 11:56, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

July 22, 2021

  • (Discuss)Richard Corney GrainCorney Grain – Clear WP:COMMONAME. Scores of his songs are listed as Corney Grain, newspapers refered to him as Corney Grain, and the BBC reminiscences of his society entertaining list him as Corney Grain. Corney Grain also gives more Google results (508,000 results) than Richard (308,000). Corney Grain was his stage name at the time, and it's a clear common name compared to Richard. Thank you very much. Modern Major General  I quote the fights historical 22:30, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Oxygen window in diving decompressionOxygen window – A glance at a Web search suggests the term "oxygen window" is overwhelmingly used in the context of diving, and so this article should be at that name as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Old discussion on this page suggests the term may see use in other contexts, but seeing as the effect is always based on the same underlying physiology, a single article can probably address these aspects in different sections. (talk) 22:24, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Old Warner Brothers StudioSunset Bronson Studios – The previous move request was based on more sound logic, as it's the current and more common name these days. The previous rebuttal that the article is about the historic facility is plainly put, faulty. Firstly, because the article is about the entire history of the place, not just the historic era, even if the NRHP box appears on it. Infoboxes follow body text, not the other way around. Secondly, because even if the article did cover the older period more, that's an argument for expanding the coverage of more recent use and ownership, not ignoring it (just to be clear, I think the article as it is doesn't ignore the more recent eras, just rebutting the idea that it didn't). Thirdly, because the NRHP name is not defining, and in many cases is often made up by the NRHP as a description, not an actual proper name. Finally, because Wikipedia articles are about concepts like persons, places, or things, not names, and in this case the place is a single studio facility, not a historic name. oknazevad (talk) 15:43, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Foot whippingFalanga (torture) – The term "foot whipping" is hardly used in reliable sources. According to Danish Institute Against Torture, falanga is the most common name for this torture method.[7] Searching Google Scholar also reveals in falanga being the most common name when the word "torture" is used to filter out extraneous results.[8][9][10] Alternately, I think it may be the primary topic of "falanga", currently a dab page. (t · c) buidhe 05:33, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)USS Indianola (1862)USS Indianola – Taking this to RM instead of boldly doing this myself as the current title has been in use since 2006 and I'm not an expert on ship naming conventions, but when I was working to get this article to GA, I found no evidence that there's another USS Indianola that this would need disambiguated against. Hog Farm Talk 04:10, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

July 21, 2021

  • (Discuss)Buffy Williams (politician)Buffy Williams – At present "Buffy Williams" is a redirect to Buffy-Lynne Williams, a Canadian rower. I suggest the Welsh politician is the primary topic, we can still have a hatnote pointing to the rower. With the politician, this is her actual name used by the title. The rower's article is rather short and may not expand much since she has retired. The rower only took her present name when she married after she retired, during her rowing career she was known as Buffy Alexander. PatGallacher (talk) 17:00, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Adam Yates (cyclist)Adam Yates – Very clear primary topic. The footballing Adam Yates never played above the third level of domestic soccer in England and had an international career only at semi-pro level; the cyclist has been riding at the top level internationally for 8 years, has won several races at the highest level, and is among the favourites for the upcoming Olympic Games road race. The cyclist currently outscores the footballer on page hits by a factor of 34:1; since July 2015 ( does not allow me to research farther back) the footballer has never reached 2000 views per month, the cyclist has done so 40 times, with a peak of over 100,000. Kevin McE (talk) 09:14, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Spanish flu1918 flu pandemic – The current name may have been more popular in the past, but it is now obsolete slang. If you do a web search on "Spanish Flu" the current WP:RS results largely come back as 1918 flu, or some variation thereof. The U.S. CDC, NIH, and National Archives have all standardized on this form, as has Britannica. There was nothing Spanish about the flu, except that Spain was more transparent about their observations, while combatants in WW-I were withholding info for military reasons, so Spanish flu is not a truly descriptive title. The article is mostly about the pandemic, not the flu virus per se. The date is even more relevant context now with the passage of more than a century's time. So it's time for Wikipedia to move on too. Dhaluza (talk) 03:37, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

July 20, 2021

  • (Discuss)Highpoint (building)UNCLE Elephant & Castle – The building is known in the local community by the name UNCLE which is the sign outside the building, renaming the page will make it easier for people who live there and in the local area to find the building as it's never referred to as Highpoint this was the architectural project name. (talk) 20:20, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)SR BrașovFC Brașov – FC Brașov went bankrupt in 2017, instead of them was founded in the same year, SR Brașov, a club founded by the fans of FC Brașov, as a phoenix club. The club was enrolled in the fourth tier, played in Brașov's original colors (black and yellow) on Brașov's stadium, Stadionul Silviu Ploeșteanu. In December 2019, it was announced that Municipality of Brașov bought FC Brașov brand in the liquidation procedure of the old company, SC FC Brașov SA.[1] Until December 2020, it was clear enough that the Mayor of Brașov and SR are in good relations and the brand will go to SR[2]. In 2021, due to political pressure (from what I understand) the plan changed and the Municipality voted a merge between newly promoted in the second league Corona Brașov and FC Brașov brand, but via another (phantom) club ACS Scotch or something (with no activity, but which has now FC Brașov brand).[3] The Flaggers association (FC Brașov fans) protest now in front of the City Hall, so it is a tense situation.[4] As a conclusion of this Balkan story, I propose:
    1. SR Brașov moved back to FC Brașov (on FC Brașov page will remain the history until 2017, 4 years of inactivity and the rebirth in 2021)
    2. SR Brașov page will be a different one and will contain the history of fans-owned club (2017-present)
    3. Corona Brașov is absorbed in FC Brașov new project, but not entirely, so I proposed just to appear as dissolved in 2021. FC Brașov on their place in Liga II, but without Corona record (FC Brașov and Corona played both for one season in the Liga I, no logic in having the same record).


Rhinen (talk) 10:05, 28 June 2021 (UTC) Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 16:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)


2409:4063:4C12:DB54:FEC5:9A49:9ED2:FF75 (talk) 15:02, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Good Together (James Barker Band song)Good Together (song) – - I am requesting to move this page to "Good Together (song)" with no name disambiguation. As per. WP:SONGDAB, "unless more than one article about songs of the same name exist, there is no need to disambiguate any further." Thus, this page should be able to move there are no other proper articles for other songs titled "Good Together". -Yeehaw45 (talk) 14:46, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Edward StubbsReginald Edward Stubbs – An online search indicates that he was very frequently known as "Sir Reginald Stubbs", "Sir Edward Stubbs", or "Sir Reginald Edward Stubbs" - all three are approximately equally frequent, with hits for "Sir Edward Stubbs" boosted by pages obviously scraped from Wikipedia. If we cannot be sure which of his forenames was primary, the securest solution is to use both. LookLook36 (talk) 19:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC) Relisting. Jack Frost (talk) 03:04, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

July 19, 2021

  • (Discuss)University of Illinois at ChicagoUniversity of Illinois Chicago – Three months ago, a discussion about the title of the Urbana-Champaign campus (Talk:University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign#Requested move 9 April 2021) closed with the consensus that it should be renamed according to the official naming conventions of the university, namely dropping the "at" preposition in the name. The aforementioned discussion became quite controversial—not because of the "at", but because of the hyphen vs. endash in "Urbana[-/–]Champaign", which is not applicable here. I would normally bypass this uncontroversial request by moving it myself, but this page already exists as a redirect, so we need the help of an admin. The reason why this discussion has come up is that the three universities in the University of Illinois system have all changed their branding style guides to drop the "at" in their names. See UIUC, UIC, and UIS branding guidelines. UIUC and UIS are already changed; UIC is the outlier remaining. Thanks. Thrakkx (talk) 20:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kano (city)Kano, Kano – The current title contradicts WP:PLACEDAB, which states that when (disambiguation) tags are required for places in (...) Nigeria, (...) use the name of the state (...) if the place lies within a single such entity. See related discussion at Talk:Kano. 162 etc. (talk) 15:56, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Deontological ethicsDeontology – As you can see from NGRAMS and Google Scholar results, "deontology" is much more common term for this concept, also being more concise. The Google Scholar and Google Books results make it clear that the word "deontology" pretty much exclusively refers to the school of ethics. "Deontology" already redirects to this article. (t · c) buidhe 12:27, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

July 18, 2021


  1. ^ "TV". Apple. Retrieved 2021-07-18.
  2. ^ "Apple TV app". Apple. Retrieved 2021-07-18.
  3. ^ "Site Map". Apple. Retrieved 2021-07-18.
Andibrema (talk) 16:37, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Pure Grown DiamondsGemesis – As outlined a few days ago on the Talk page, this was originally an article about Gemesis, a highly notable diamond-producing company founded in 1996. The article was created in 2005. Something confusing happened in about 2012–2014 and the company was purchased and restructured or dissolved. The article was rewritten by some SPA editors in 2019 to change the subject of the article to be about what they say is a different company founded in 2013 from the ashes of that original company. The new company is called Pure Grown Diamonds, and it is a diamond reseller, not a diamond maker, and they rewrote the article to be about this different company. The SPA editors removed nearly all of the information about the company that the article was originally about, including changing the company founding date from 1996 to 2013 (more than seven years after the article was created). The original company was very notable as a diamond-making company, which was a pioneer in the field and was the world's largest maker of gem-quality diamonds. Gemesis produced record-breaking gem-quality diamonds of unprecedented size. The new company is not as notable and seems to be just a web-based reseller. The article was created long before the new company existed, so it should be about the original company. The information about the company that existed before 2013 should not have been removed – e.g., per WP:DEFUNCTS. If Pure Grown Diamonds is a different company, then it should not be the subject of this article – or at least it should not be the primary subject of this article. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Yakuza (series)Yakuza (franchise) – Per the naming convention guidelines in WP:NCVG#Media franchise. It is undisputable that this is a franchise, which consists of far more then just a main series of numbered video games, as there are several ancillary spin-offs that share certain themes. It also spawned book, film, radio drama, web series, tv series and stage play adaptations. Haleth (talk) 03:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

July 17, 2021

  • (Discuss)Ronald WhiteRonnie White – Most sources refer to the subject as Ronnie White and not Ronald White. While Ronald White was his birth name, he performed and was marketed under the name Ronnie White. 4meter4 (talk) 21:06, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Hora DambalLake Ziway – The lake in known mostly as Lake Ziway. Google scholar search: "Lake Ziway" - 2150 results, "Lake Zway" - 280, "Hora Dambal" - 0 (zero!), Hora Dambal (without quotes) - 42. Also, I've read in Meyer, Ronny. 2001. Zay – Traditions of a Christian People in the Heart of Ethiopia. Christianskij Vostok (New Series) 2:317-328 that Hora Dambal is the name of the city, not lake. Землеройкин (talk) 19:31, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Gunnin (Hedley song)Gunnin' (song) – Correct title (with apostrophe) and no other song with this title, so disambiguation by artist is unnecessary – however, there is a redirect for the same song in the way at the target page. Richard3120 (talk) 17:15, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

July 16, 2021

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  • (Discuss)NipaniNippani – Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically. Parzee (talk) 16:02, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)HukeriHukkeri – Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate. If your reasoning includes search engine results, please prioritize searches limited to reliable sources (e.g. books, news, scholarly papers) over other web results. You don't need to add your signature at the end, as this template will do so automatically. Parzee (talk) 15:55, 15 July 2021 (UTC)


  • (Discuss)Joji discographyGeorge Miller discography – Hey guys i noticed that this article contains content about George's music as pink guy as well as his current music and not just about the joji music. I think George Miller discography would be the perfect title for this page as it will include both the joji and pink guy part and a 'As joji' part can be created for his cutrent career just like 'As pink guy'. joji discography can be a redirect to this page, the same as pink guy discography. Let me know what you think :) DarkerthanTar (talk) 13:28, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Joji (musician)George Miller (musician) – Hey guys i noticed that this article contains content about George's time as a youtuber as well as his current music career and not just about the joji music career. I think George Miller (musician) would be the perfect title for this page as it will include both the joji and filthy frank part and the (musician) can denote his current career focus. The joji name can be a redirect to this page, the same as filthy frank and pink guy. Let me know what you think :) DarkerthanTar (talk) 11:12, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)PunicsCarthaginians – Carthaginians is the WP:COMMONNAME. Moreover, while Carthaginian can be used as an adjective and a noun, Punic (an adjective) is, quite rightly, seldom if ever used as a noun. M.Bitton (talk) 23:11, 5 July 2021 (UTC) Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 20:39, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Father Pat NoiseFather Pat Noise plaque – Article is much more about the plaque then the person: it's unable to say anything more about the character than what's written on the plaque. All press, council and public reaction seems to be to the plaque itself rather than the character. Lord Belbury (talk) 17:05, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)BṛhaspatiBrihaspati – This discussion was held in 2010, but it was closed as there was no consensus. However this should be moved as per following reasons: * I know the difference between ऋ and री, but ऋ is generally transliterated as Ri in simple English. Eg. Krishna, Rishi, etc. * A standard primary transliteration is there ie Brihaspati and it should be used over formal transliteration (IAST). WP:Useenglish, WP: common name * For example see: **[15] ** [16] ** [17] ** [18] ** [19] ** [20] ** [21] ** [22] --.245CMR.👥📜 12:50, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)ĀdityasAdityas – As a suggestion, primary transliteration/ simplified transliteration is preferred to formal transliteration (like IAST/ ISO). Most RS which used simplified english use Aditya. Examples are given by Redtigerxyz:

    * Support Adityas used without discritics ** Encyclopedia of Hinduism by Constance A. Jones and James D. Ryan ** Britannica

    — User: Redtigerxyz, originally answered on Talk:Ādityas#Name
    --.245CMR.👥📜 12:22, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)List of Dance Dance Revolution songsMusic of Dance Dance Revolution – The article in its current form lists current and former songs. Thus, it's difficult to know which songs are available in which game, as only the original game is listed. For example: "Doesn't Really Matter" by Janet Jackson lists SuperNOVA, but it's also in SN2 and DDR X for arcades, and unavailable in other releases. There are many other cases like this. Thus, I suggest we revamp the article to point to major song lists (4thMix Plus + 5thMix, Extreme, both SuperNOVA games, X, X2, and A + A20, while noting removals on these lists), while the article itself can serve as a summary. This article should have an emphasis on currently available songs: PARANOiA, B4U, MAX 300, Xepher, etc. LABcrabs (talk) 02:29, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Mark Bailey (rugby union)Mark Bailey (historian) – As the page clearly attests, this person played rugby, yes, at a highly competitive level, whilst a student at Cambridge University, between 1983 and 1990. This was an extracurricular activity not a main profession. Bailey was trained as a medieval historian, obtaining his PhD at Cambridge in 1987, at the same time as his competitive playing. Since then he has worked as a historian, first at Cambridge, now at the University of East Anglia. Ie he played rugby (yes, at a notable level!) competitively for 7 years and has worked as an academic for 40 years, including serving as master of a top rated school in London, Saint Paul’s. The page already includes the relevant links for his current and older affiliations. You can confirm the dates of his competitive rugby playing here The introduction gives links to his current academic endeavors, including being invited to lecture in probably the most famous and respected history lecture series at Oxford University, the Ford Lectures! His current book is coming out as part of that series, which has produced some of the most influential books in English history. He is competing at the top of academia and Wikipedia identifies him by his athletic endeavors of a few years 30 years ago? This is actually damaging to his current professional reputation (this is not him writing, otherwise the discussion of rugby would be more knowledgeable. Kiwisleep (talk) 19:06, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Najima ParveenNajma Parveen – the page with the redirect is her actual name with the correct spelling. The current page has her name misspelt. Please remove the redirect. For official source for her name you can see Pakistan Sports Board's website here and here. Commonwealth Games 2018 official website: bio, The News article, her twitter profile and 33rd National Games result in 400m hurdles and 400m. Also her profile on World Athletics has her as Najma Parveen. Khilari&historian (talk) 17:30, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Brave (web browser)Brave BrowserBrave Browser is an alternative name used by Brave Software to identify this product. It may be seen as a coequal name to "Brave". Here are instances where the name "Brave Browser" appears: * The program name (on macOS) is "Brave Browser". The "About Brave" section within the program uses the name "Brave". * The bottom navigation menu on the resource and settings pages for Brave Search, for example: [23] (at the bottom, under "Products") * The Brave Browser Privacy Policy, [24] as well as the link to the privacy policy in the bottom navigation menu on * Title tags on end with "Brave Browser" (e.g.: "Secure, Fast & Private Web Browser with Adblocker | Brave Browser") The capitalisation "Brave browser" can also be found, though only with an article ("the Brave browser"), whereas "Brave Browser" appears without an article, as a proper name. I think that Brave Browser is more recognisable and more natural than Brave (web browser). It is equally as precise due to the distinctive nature of the name "Brave Browser". It is also a more concise title. It may be less consistent with similar article titles that end with "(web browser)". [WP:CRITERIA] Andibrema (talk) 13:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)2021 Hong Kong electoral reform → ? – Not sure what the new name should be, but "reform" (especially "electoral reform") strongly suggests an improvement to Hong Kong's electoral system from the point of view of its citizens, not its authorities. This is misleading and may break WP:NPOVTITLE. On two separate occasions I've happened across a link to this article while browsing elsewhere, and had to do a complete double-take before I remembered what actually happened. The first name that I think of is the incredibly-generic 2021 Hong Kong electoral changes, but definitely open to more suggestions. Zowayix001 (talk) 05:54, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)UyezdUezd – Per WP:COMMONNAME, as this is the most common spelling in reliable sources. It also corresponds to more romanization schemes, including the modified Library of Congress system widely used in academic and popular-academic sources, so it slightly better satisfies the WP:CRITERIA of recognizability and naturalness. This is important for this foreign borrowing that is absent from most general dictionaries (it is partly naturalized: plural forms Russian uezdy and anglicized uezds are used).[25] Google Books Ngram shows that uezd has clearly been the most common spelling for five decades. Searching reliable sources, per WP:SET: Google Advanced Books Search * "uezd" -Wikipedia: “about 31,000 results” (2.1× the next result) * "uyezd" -Wikipedia: “about 14,700 results” * "ujezd" -Wikipedia: “about 2,590 results” * "uiezd" -Wikipedia: “187 results” Google Scholar Search * "uezd" -Wikipedia: “about 5,540 results” (1.8× the next result) * "uyezd" -Wikipedia: “about 3,060 results” * "ujezd" -Wikipedia: “922 results” * "uiezd" -Wikipedia: “75 results” This may affect many titles. There are nearly 400 articles and redirects in the main space with uyezd in the title (anybody know how to count articles only?).  —Michael Z. 15:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)MutasarrıfMutasarrif – The present spelling is not the most common English spelling. Google Scholar results (English-only): *Mutasarrif 1,010 *Mutasarrıf 680, but many of these are actually Turkish language text *Mutasarif 67 (t · c) buidhe 02:03, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Kid Flash (Iris West)Irey West – Similar to other DC characters, this one is referred as Irey West shortly after her return in 2019. In current Flash comics, she is called Irey (The Flash #771, 2021). Also, she has two codenames, right know she is using the Impulse alias. The current title isn't accurate. Miaow 21:44, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Minerva Academy FCRoundGlass Punjab FC – This football club is a continuation of Minerva Academy. See the sources here and here. Both articles actually reference the other names "Minerva Punjab" or "Punjab FC". These were the names of the club after they rebranded from Minerva Academy around 2016 (see the source here). The club was bought by RoundGlass in 2020 and rebranded (see the first source). Recently, this article was moved to Minerva Academy since a club of that name is now participating in the Punjab Super League. This club, however, is not the same as the one referenced in this article and is just the old academy being run by the old owner. This is actually referenced in the first source from The Hindu when the club's former owner says "he will now focus on the grassroot and youth development at his Minerva Academy". So the academy still exists but this article was never about the academy but the senior club which is now RoundGlass. The academy is not notable in itself as it wouldn't pass WP:GNG and it hasn't participated in a national level tournament in India. ArsenalFan700 (talk) 18:23, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)No More 'I Love You'sNo More "I Love You's" – The page should be at what the actual title of the song is, not Wikipedia's attempt to fix the grammar of the song's title. The song was released with an apostrophe there. jp×g 21:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC) Relisting. Andrewa (talk) 16:52, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Adiyogi Shiva statueBust of Shiva, Coimbatore – Per WP:VAMOS, which says, "For portrait sculptures of individuals in public places the forms "Statue of Fred Foo", "Equestrian statue of Fred Foo" or "Bust of Fred Foo" are recommended, unless a form such as "Fred Foo Memorial" or "Monument to Fred Foo" is the WP:COMMONNAME. If further disambiguation is needed, because there is more than one sculpture of the same person with an article, then disambiguation by location rather than the sculptor is usually better. This may be done as either "Statue of Fred Foo (Chicago)" (typically preferred for North America) or "Statue of Fred Foo, Glasgow" (typically preferred elsewhere). If the sculpture has a distinct common name, like the Bronze Horseman, that should be used. Examples: Statue of Mahatma Gandhi (Houston); Statue of Queen Victoria, Sydney; Jefferson Davis Monument; Equestrian statue of Christian V." The sculpture is a bust, not a statue. --Another Believer (Talk) 13:33, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)SaraswatiSarasvati – "V" is more accurate spelling of the Sanskrit word. Also most RS use V and this is supported on the article's talk page. .245CMR.👥📜 09:48, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)2 1/2D2 1/2-dimensional manufacturing – I considered AfD, but this term seems to be in use for molding and extrusion processes. However, the title needs to clearly disambiguate from the unrelated 2.5D, which concerns video game graphics. Not sure how the fraction in the title should be represented per MOS:FRAC. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 04:27, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Mexican spiny-tailed iguanaCtenosaura pectinata – The recent move on 6 July 2021 was not necessary and is potentially confusing with other species. The name Mexican spiny-tailed iguana is not the currently accepted standardized name. Using the common name for this page is inconsistent with all other 14 species in the genus on Wikipedia. The common names Mexican spiny-tailed iguana and black spiny-tailed iguana are informally used for many species of Ctenosaura WiLaFa (talk) 17:12, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Belal Muhammad (fighter)Belal Muhammad – the fighter is clearly the primary topic. He has an average of 600 daily views as opposed to the founder who has 0-3 views. Considering the fact that these are the only two people with this name, Belal Muhammad should default to the page that is most searched for. I am making this request again and hoping to get an overwhelming consensus. At minimum, there should be a disambiguation page. Marty2Hotty (talk) 16:22, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)SyngentaSyngenta Group – Syngenta and the Syngenta Group are different things. The Syngenta Group was formed in 2020, bringing together Syngenta (Syngenta AG), Adama, and the agricultural business of Sinochem under a single entity. Today, Syngenta could be described as the main brand of the Syngenta Group. As a broader audience reflectes this change now, we hereby suggest a page move. Please be aware that this edit is made on behalf of the Syngenta Group. Thanks for your help. (talk) 08:52, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Dhananjaya Y. ChandrachudD. Y. ChandrachudWP:UCRN rule of Wikipedia suggests that the title should be named after the subject's common name. When you search "Chandrachud" on google, it is axiomatic that Justice Chandrachud is referred to as D. Y. Chandrachud or DY Chandrachud commonly by reliable news sources more than Dhananjaya Y. Chandrachud, and thus, it is suggested to be entertained in that manner. The official and current judge list on the official website of the Supreme Court also refers to the doctor as D. Y. Chandrachud Appu (talk) 04:56, 8 July 2021 (UTC) Appu (talk) 04:56, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Elinor Lupton CentreThe Golden Beam – The building is no longer the Elinor Lupton Centre. If that had been its original name, there might be an argument to keep the article at that title, but the building was built as Church of Christ, Scientist. I would have moved the article without discussion, but on seeing that it's a Good Article I thought there should be discussion. I note that the NHLE listing still records it as "Elinor Lupton Centre", unsurprisingly, but that it was previously listed as "First Church of Christ the Scientist" so presumably the listing title will change at some time. PamD 15:58, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Washington's BirthdayPresidents' Day – "Presidents' Day" is clearly the WP:COMMONNAME for the holiday. According to this ngram, since approximately 1995, "Presidents' Day" or some variation on it has been more common in English books than "Washington's Birthday". Additionally, in the year 2020, news articles mentioning "Presidents' Day" were approximately five times more frequent than news articles mentioning "Washington's Birthday". You can also see that most of the articles mentioning "Washington's Birthday" note that the holiday is popularly called "Presidents' Day", and that many only use the phrase "Washington's Birthday" as part of a description of what "Presidents' Day" celebrates. For example, the The Washington Post said that the holiday is "generally called" Presidents' Day here, and CNN used "Washington's Birthday" as a reference to the reason we celebrate the holiday rather than the name of the holiday itself here. I'll also note that per Wikipedia:Official names, we should not give too much weight to the subject's official name.  Mysterymanblue  19:58, 19 June 2021 (UTC) Relisting. Lennart97 (talk) 20:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Maryse OuelletMaryse Mizanin – Ouellet was her née and Mizanin is her legal/real name; e.g. see info about her company. She uses Maryse Mizanin as her identity on all of her social media accounts. IMDb uses Maryse Mizanin. Sources use Maryse Mizanin too; e.g. [30][31][32]. Any specific reason to keep her birth name? Even her WWE name Maryse is much much more well-known than her née. Wario-Man talk 09:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Islamization and Turkification of XinjiangTurkic settlement of the Tarim Basin – I believe it is highly important to change the title article of this article. 'Turkification of Xinjiang' appears on search engines. The article, as currently structured, lends to the interpretation that Xinjiang is a historical territory of China that was a victim of cultural genocide and forced conversions (especially the words Turkification & Islamization). This is highly misleading since (1) Xinjiang is modern geographic entity, (2) many historians believe it was a process of cultural assimilation, and (3) Turkish tribes only converted to Islam after the conquest. While the rest of the article is in desperate needs of changes, it is most important to change this title to avoid the title from coloring readings of the article and remove its appearance from search engines. This is especially important given the current Uyghur genocide. I believe a title like 'Turkic conquest of the Tarim Basin' appropriately captures existing content in good faith with a more neutral position. Toomuchcuriosity (talk) 14:03, 23 June 2021 (UTC) Relisting. Jack Frost (talk) 15:55, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Variation Selectors (Unicode block)Variation Selectors – While variation selectors are a broader concept discussed more completely at Variant form (Unicode), when capitalized this way the term is only likely to refer to the specific Unicode block of that name. See WP:SMALLDETAILS. I'm not a huge fan of capitalization-only SMALLDETAILS cases, but this is both capitalization and pluralization, since the redirect Variation selector would remain pointed at Variant form (Unicode). Personally I would also be inclined to retarget Variation selectors here, on the basis that the pluralization means someone is more likely looking for the block than the general concept, but if there's no consensus on that it can always be decided at RfD. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 16:30, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:55, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)List of songs recorded by Taylor SwiftList of songs written by Taylor Swift – It makes much more sense for the page to be songs Swift, a singer-songwriter, has written rather than songs she has recorded. If the page is moved, 17 songs would be removed (the covers of songs she has done), but that would open up the door for all the unreleased songs she has written (and there are many more than 17 of them) to be included, which makes much more sense, as the covers didn't do much for her career, but the five years of songwriting Swift did before releasing an album basically started her career. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 02:15, 21 June 2021 (UTC)Relisting. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:54, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Zuo zhuanZuo Zhuan – Correct capitalisation, per Wikipedia guidelines (Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles) of capitalising every word in a title (a book title in this case), and consistent with Gongyang Zhuan and Guliang Zhuan; all three are Confucian commentaries on the Spring and Autumn Annals which are usually grouped together, hence the relevance of the other two articles. Zuo Zhuan should be the main article and Zuo zhuan should redirect to it, not the other way around as is presently the situation. Scyrme (talk) 20:27, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Boven-DigoelBoven-Digoel concentration camp – The current article title is not fully descriptive of the fact that this was a prison camp. Part of the problem is that in most printed sources in English, Indonesian etc the camp is simply referred to as "Boven-Digoel" or even just "Digoel". But here we are trying to communicate what the article is about to an audience that may know nothing. There is also a geographic region with the same name Boven Digoel Regency so it's not a unique name. I would be OK with Boven-Digoel prison camp or Boven-Digoel internment camp, but the google results seem to give many more hits on concentration camp, possibly because that is the terminology used on WorldCat. Dan Carkner (talk) 14:26, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
  • (Discuss)Margot HeumannMargot Heuman – I am proposing a title change and a matching use of Heuman throughout the text. Of the four in-depth publicly available sources cited on this page, two of them refer to the subject as Heumann (namely the Holocaust Museum source and the Hájková source in Der Tagesspiegel) while the other two refer to her as Heuman (the Laufer and Museum of Tolerance links). I can't access the non-redacted version of the academic piece by Hájková, but regardless that is not independent of the other sources since it's the same author as the Der Tagesspiegel piece, so it's fair to say that the sources cited here are evenly split. In that light, I propose moving the page for two reasons. First, my reading of other sources (sources not yet cited on this page) is that they mostly prefer Heuman. The Holocaust Museum, which refers to her as Heumann in the bio cited here, calls her Heuman in this interview collection. Other contemporary events refer to her as Heuman. An entire play was staged about her that used the name Heuman, and coverage of it covered her under the name Heuman. Many fewer, and lower-profile, sources use Heumann. Secondly, even if reliable sources were more ambivalent about what to call her (and they clearly do prefer Heuman), under naming guidelines like WP:NAMECHANGES we should be inclined to follow name changes unless they are very clearly not used by reliable sources. Especially in a WP:BLP we need a good reason not to use a subject's chosen name, like consistent avoidance of that name in reliable sources or notability under a pre-existing name, none of which apply here. So the subject's chosen name of Heuman should be used in the article title and throughout the text. - Astrophobe (talk) 23:04, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

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